Try to write a poem without reference to humans

Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,279
edited August 2006 in Poetry, Prose, Music & Art
Ok, you go first.

It's hard. I was trying to figure out how to write "Ok, you go first" without reference to "you" which is human, and I thought of a starting line, but that's a human conception.
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
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  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,279
    Ms. Haiku wrote:
    Ok, you go first.

    It's hard. I was trying to figure out how to write "Ok, you go first" without reference to "you" which is human, and I thought of a starting line, but that's a human conception.
    hazy sky
    soaks up
    the hot
    then drains
    on dead grass
    There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
    The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
  • oldermanolderman Posts: 1,765
    warmed by sun,
    cooled by night,
    fish swim past
    rocks of a mountain
    crumbled by time
    Down the street you can hear her scream youre a disgrace
    As she slams the door in his drunken face
    And now he stands outside
    And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
    He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
    What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
    Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
    And his tears fall and burn the garden green
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    My running mate awakens me, warm dark
    of rising fur, deep in the hollow den
    we prize for safety. A snarl, a bark:
    I'm nodded out toward the moongrey fen.
    Paws plod cold river paths and gaming trails;
    My eyes survey treeshadows, black on black
    bar bateye sparkles flashing; now young wails
    approach behind my stooping hunter's back:

    My brood. Long night of blood road travelling
    with yearlings, scenting fieldrush stranded hares,
    their heartbeats shaking reeds; unravelling
    night of roadturn ambush; night of flares
    of teeth in stargleam gnashing at the skin
    of moonblood silver shining dying prey:
    This is my night, to bring my mate, within
    the denning shadows of tenebrous grey

    Our plunder from an eastern river bed:
    I lead my pack, night free. Free wrath is fed.
  • burtschipsburtschips Posts: 734
    My running mate awakens me, warm dark
    of rising fur, deep in the hollow den
    we prize for safety. A snarl, a bark:
    I'm nodded out toward the moongrey fen.
    Paws plod cold river paths and gaming trails;
    My eyes survey treeshadows, black on black
    bar bateye sparkles flashing; now young wails
    approach behind my stooping hunter's back:

    My brood. Long night of blood road travelling
    with yearlings, scenting fieldrush stranded hares,
    their heartbeats shaking reeds; unravelling
    night of roadturn ambush; night of flares
    of teeth in stargleam gnashing at the skin
    of moonblood silver shining dying prey:
    This is my night, to bring my mate, within
    the denning shadows of tenebrous grey

    Our plunder from an eastern river bed:
    I lead my pack, night free. Free wrath is fed.

    that's fantastic.
    Salut baloo
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,279
    My running mate awakens me, warm dark
    of rising fur, deep in the hollow den
    we prize for safety. A snarl, a bark:
    I'm nodded out toward the moongrey fen.
    Paws plod cold river paths and gaming trails;
    My eyes survey treeshadows, black on black
    bar bateye sparkles flashing; now young wails
    approach behind my stooping hunter's back:

    My brood. Long night of blood road travelling
    with yearlings, scenting fieldrush stranded hares,
    their heartbeats shaking reeds; unravelling
    night of roadturn ambush; night of flares
    of teeth in stargleam gnashing at the skin
    of moonblood silver shining dying prey:
    This is my night, to bring my mate, within
    the denning shadows of tenebrous grey

    Our plunder from an eastern river bed:
    I lead my pack, night free. Free wrath is fed.
    What happens if you take out the pronouns?
    There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
    The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Why should it make any difference? You don't get many talking wolves. If they could write, I'm sure they'd say I, you, he, she and they. ;)
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    And we. ;)
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Why would a pigeon
    speak a smidgeon
    of pidgin
    if words are legion
    in his region -
    the religion
    of birds?

    :)
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,279
    Why should it make any difference? You don't get many talking wolves. If they could write, I'm sure they'd say I, you, he, she and they. ;)
    See, that's the point. I guess I didn't make myself clear. I was looking for poems without human reference including non-human entities living/thinking etc as if they were humans. The use of pronouns puts the human element in it. What's that word for it . . . personification. Is that it? I should have made myself clearer. It's suppose to be an exercise where the human element does not exist including personification. Only the recognition of what is going on i.e, calling a tree a tree, could be human as a human is writing it.
    There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
    The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    I don't get this. Why wouldn't an animal understand the autonomous existence of another animal, whether male or female? I don't see what's so intrinsically human about that. I'm sure when a male dog sees a female dog, he thinks, "I wouldn't mind giving her one", or, when he sees his owner, "When are ya gonna make my dinner, knucklehead?" :D
  • DopeBeastieDopeBeastie Posts: 2,513
    they're anthropomorphi... cazations... or whatever the word is...
    assigning human response to that which is not human
    now, for sure and for certain ~ animals display traits of knowing and relating to one another that humans do as well... and it's my guess that even plants have some humanistic responses to certain stimuli

    what bib is going for is total lack of that assignment

    the vase
    on the shelf
    in the sun

    it's easily done

    my personal response is human, which is not outside of the excersize
  • DopeBeastieDopeBeastie Posts: 2,513
    but... does reference to man-made things. ie: vase... shelf...

    does that blow it?
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,279
    PastaNazi wrote:
    but... does reference to man-made things. ie: vase... shelf...

    does that blow it?
    Nope. You nailed the explanation on the head in your earlier post. By the way, I saw a recipe for baking cherry-almond chocolate chip cookies and I thought of you. :) It's a great cookbook (the King Arthur Flour Cookie Cookbook), so I'll probably bake it one day.
    There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
    The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    PastaNazi wrote:
    they're anthropomorphi... cazations... or whatever the word is...
    assigning human response to that which is not human
    now, for sure and for certain ~ animals display traits of knowing and relating to one another that humans do as well... and it's my guess that even plants have some humanistic responses to certain stimuli

    what bib is going for is total lack of that assignment

    the vase
    on the shelf
    in the sun

    it's easily done

    my personal response is human, which is not outside of the excersize


    Here, I've got it:


    Woof woof
    woof woof
    woof

    woof woof woof
    uh uh arrooooooooooooo
    scratch scratch
    woof woof

    barf

    :D
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    And how do ya know animals can't differentiate between objects or people?


    Ladies, meet Koko:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po2JGdx9WBI
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,279
    Here, I've got it:


    Woof woof
    woof woof
    woof

    woof woof woof
    uh uh arrooooooooooooo
    scratch scratch
    woof woof

    barf

    :D
    That's it! :):):)
    There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
    The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,279
    And how do ya know animals can't differentiate between objects or people?


    Ladies, meet Koko:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po2JGdx9WBI
    I think animals can differentiate, but is it up to a human to say how another animal will differentiate? In fact is it up to a human to say how another human would feel if the languages are different? If it's not possible for perfect communication among humans from different cultures, could it be possible with different species?

    I remember when my niece was 18 months old (about 8 years ago) she kept throwing her sippy down, and I would pick it up. When I wouldn't give it back to her she acted like she wanted it, and then would throw it down again. My first reaction was "She's doing this because I always pick it up", but since I couldn't understand her language all I knew really was that she was throwing the cup each time I picked it up. I projected what I thought she was thinking into her thinking which could easily not be the case. I was irritated, and yet I don't think she was going out of her way to irritate me. She wasn't that devious or mean, and she still isn't. Now, the question I asked myself is why would I assign that to her when she's only 18 months old, and she just likes to throw her sippy down, and watch me pick it up. Is it because she likes to throw the sippy down, is it because she likes to watch me pick it up, or does she like to hear the milk splash inside? I will never know. I could only know the facts.

    Same with non-human entities. I can not project how a tree feels or what a tree thinks is feeling or even really go down that root (hahaha). All I know is there is a tree, and it looks like this or that, and when the wind blows it acts this way and that, and I see it change at this time and that time. I think it would be really interesting to read your poem if you tried to rewrite it without the pronouns. I bet it would be profound. Quite frankly this may be an exercise in a form of haiku-esque poetry. If I remember correctly, you don't like haiku do you?
    There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
    The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
  • (I'll give at shot...not included in the poem)

    sunshine on a cloudy day
    rays penetrating the atmosphere
    scattering thru raindrops
    making rainbows

    clouds making shadows upon the ground
    wind, thru the trees
    is it a sound
    is it a scene
    Create Good Things........
    Graduate of the School for Sexual Gifted....magna cum loads
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Ms. Haiku wrote:
    I think animals can differentiate, but is it up to a human to say how another animal will differentiate? In fact is it up to a human to say how another human would feel if the languages are different? If it's not possible for perfect communication among humans from different cultures, could it be possible with different species?

    Which is precisely why we don't know if they'd use pronouns or not. ;) The entire premise of writing in the English language anthropomorphises animal consciousness, irrespective of whether you represent it in an impressionistic pidgin, or like Proust.

    I remember when my niece was 18 months old (about 8 years ago) she kept throwing her sippy down, and I would pick it up. When I wouldn't give it back to her she acted like she wanted it, and then would throw it down again. My first reaction was "She's doing this because I always pick it up", but since I couldn't understand her language all I knew really was that she was throwing the cup each time I picked it up. I projected what I thought she was thinking into her thinking which could easily not be the case. I was irritated, and yet I don't think she was going out of her way to irritate me. She wasn't that devious or mean, and she still isn't. Now, the question I asked myself is why would I assign that to her when she's only 18 months old, and she just likes to throw her sippy down, and watch me pick it up. Is it because she likes to throw the sippy down, is it because she likes to watch me pick it up, or does she like to hear the milk splash inside? I will never know. I could only know the facts.
    Ms. Haiku wrote:
    Same with non-human entities. I can not project how a tree feels or what a tree thinks is feeling or even really go down that root (hahaha). All I know is there is a tree, and it looks like this or that, and when the wind blows it acts this way and that, and I see it change at this time and that time. I think it would be really interesting to read your poem if you tried to rewrite it without the pronouns. I bet it would be profound. Quite frankly this may be an exercise in a form of haiku-esque poetry. If I remember correctly, you don't like haiku do you?

    Nah, it would bollocks up the pentameter for a start. I don't dislike haiku though. ;)
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Blummin' edit facility. I thought I was being all clever, arranging those quote boxes. :rolleyes:

    :)
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,279
    Which is precisely why we don't know if they'd use pronouns or not. ;) The entire premise of writing in the English language anthropomorphises animal consciousness, irrespective of whether you represent it in an impressionistic pidgin, or like Proust.
    Well, another thing to think about then is to place complete human experience on inanimate objects i.e., a picnic table. That may become too sloppy and really bollocksing up the yingyang. :D
    There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
    The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    In my Jungian unconscious,
    I was, before a table
    a tree, whose fruit was scrumptious
    and very much eat-able.

    Before I was an apple tree,
    whose leaves in wild winds wave,
    I was a Mrs Endersby,
    a-buried in a grave.

    Before I was the said deceased,
    whose death was quite a harrow,
    I was her poison, one diseased
    and poisonous old marrow.

    When I grew up, a happy marrow
    There would be this fly
    Who'd lick my dimples, green and narrow:
    Yes, that fly was I.

    When I was that bluebottle
    I'd fly, so far and free:
    But once I flew, too fast, full throttle
    Splatting in a tree.

    So if your table leg has got
    these strange, bluebottle stains
    this is my consciousness, a knot
    of tree-veg-fly remains.

    :D
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    In my Jungian unconscious,
    I was, before a table
    a tree, whose fruit was scrumptious
    and very much eat-able.

    Before I was an apple tree,
    whose leaves in wild winds wave,
    I was a Mrs Endersby,
    a-buried in a grave.

    Before I was the said deceased,
    whose death was quite a harrow,
    I was her poison, one diseased
    and murderous old marrow.

    When I grew up, a happy marrow
    There would be this fly
    Who'd lick my dimples, green and narrow:
    Aye, that fly was I.

    When I was that bluebottle
    I'd fly, so far and free:
    But once I flew, too fast, full throttle
    Splatting in a tree.

    So if your table leg has got
    these strange, bluebottle stains
    this is my consciousness, a knot
    of tree-veg-fly remains.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Whether Mrs Endersby counts as human, depends upon your opinion, and whether you are Mr Endersby, champion marrow-grower, or not. ;)
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    Ivy-covered trees
    Swans gliding on lakes
    Opal sky sunsets
    Over the Sound

    Windy sandy dunes
    The crying of the gulls
    White sails against the blue
    The blue of the Sound

    Old brick mansions
    Colonial estates
    Emerald green lawns
    Overlooking the Sound
    Feels Good Inc.
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,279
    In my Jungian unconscious,
    I was, before a table
    a tree, whose fruit was scrumptious
    and very much eat-able.

    Before I was an apple tree,
    whose leaves in wild winds wave,
    I was a Mrs Endersby,
    a-buried in a grave.

    Before I was the said deceased,
    whose death was quite a harrow,
    I was her poison, one diseased
    and murderous old marrow.

    When I grew up, a happy marrow
    There would be this fly
    Who'd lick my dimples, green and narrow:
    Aye, that fly was I.

    When I was that bluebottle
    I'd fly, so far and free:
    But once I flew, too fast, full throttle
    Splatting in a tree.

    So if your table leg has got
    these strange, bluebottle stains
    this is my consciousness, a knot
    of tree-veg-fly remains.
    You funny man, Fins!
    There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous
    The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
  • JamalJamal Posts: 2,115
    Alone, a tree
    sucks up the rain
    to withstand the winds
    its destiny
    Surf little waves big... Charge big waves hard

    - Antwerp '06, Nijmegen '07, Werchter '07
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