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ISNISN Posts: 1,700
edited May 2005 in Poetry, Prose, Music & Art
can we edit now, please......I think we all have matured.....and, after all, we're poets, and need to make sure that we haven't made a big blunder in front of our peers......for example.....we can't write a profound peom, and post it, and then see some glaring error in it.....and add an addendum with the correction......it's jus so wrong....!!!!! we are the least volatile of your wards.....nad as such we deserve.....in fact, we reserve the right to EDIT......please give us back our editing rights.......or we shall shun youse both......anyone that wants edit facilities in the peotry section, please sign this petty petition.......thanks......Sir ISN....... ;)
....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
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  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    edit.....anyone who wants......not anyone that wants....../edit
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • oldermanolderman Posts: 1,765
    Edit Edit Edit
    Down the street you can hear her scream youre a disgrace
    As she slams the door in his drunken face
    And now he stands outside
    And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
    He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
    What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
    Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
    And his tears fall and burn the garden green
  • Anna_falkAnna_falk Posts: 114
    I understand the reason for non excisting editbutton on this page, when you have decided to deliver a poem or whatever, it should be finished and there shouldn't be any need of changing the substance.
    But I'm not totally against an editbutton...would be less afraid of posting then, I guess.
    To worry about tomorrow doesn't make it easier,
    it only makes today worse.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    Doesn't bandwidth get wasted when people repost poems again and again because they're not able to edit them?
  • justamjustam Posts: 21,410
    Editing would be nice at those times when I spell a word wrong and don't notice it until it's posted. :p
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  • EvilToasterElfEvilToasterElf Posts: 1,119
    What was the justification behind eliminating it in the first place?
  • justamjustam Posts: 21,410
    EvilToasterElf wrote:
    What was the justification behind eliminating it in the first place?

    Didn't some unfortunate person have a mental breakdown last year? I think it might have been related to that?
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  • Your_endorphin_rushYour_endorphin_rush Posts: 69
    I wish I could edit my life.
    This is the best I could come up with.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    justam wrote:
    Didn't some unfortunate person have a mental breakdown last year? I think it might have been related to that?

    Who knows. It's the Internet.
  • justamjustam Posts: 21,410
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Who knows. It's the Internet.

    You're very tactful aren't you? ;)
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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    justam wrote:
    You're very tactful aren't you? ;)

    Well, it wasn't me. I was bonkers to start with. :D
  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    editing again would be very nice.
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  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    Didn't some unfortunate person have a mental breakdown last year? I think it might have been related to that?

    I don't see how editing can cause someone to have a mental breakdown.....but, please, if you value my sanity Kat & Sea, lettuce edit.....see what I mean?
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • DopeBeastieDopeBeastie Posts: 2,513
    kat and sea said that people were editing their inciteful comments out of threads ALL over the board, after they'd been read by thier intended target... and then cleaned up to look all innocent

    not just here, though it was rampant, and it wasn't the effect of one poor unfortunate soul losing his or her mind... <wince>

    i actually learned that trick from an old dog, and whatever, whatever... birds of a feather, and whatnot :)


    i hope they keep the edit function disfunctional
    it's nice to see the process, and like that one person said

    when you have a poem, it should be done before you post it

    spell check notwithstanding
  • Traver DiDiminicoTraver DiDiminico Posts: 185
    PastaNazi wrote:
    when you have a poem, it should be done before you post it

    I have never argued against the process of writers editing essays, papers, novels, etc. However, for me, poetry is an expression of oneself-whatever that means; soul, mind, whatever it is that differentiates one of us from another-and therefore, editing poetry (spellcheck doesn't count) seems false. Your poem is what it is. If you didn't mean it, why did you write it? Let it go. The purest art is an inevitable overflow of oneself. There was no option, no decision, no crafting, no molding, nothing but a release in written form. To edit that would be to regret, and as we all know, it makes much more sense to live in the present tense...
    If there was a chair in which I could comprehend, I would stand always and embrace the path
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    A text is always an edition and never absolute: it is a process and not a product. A denial of the fluidity of text is anti-art.

    http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/hopkins_guide_to_literary_theory/textual_criticism.html
  • Traver DiDiminicoTraver DiDiminico Posts: 185
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    A text is always an edition and never absolute: it is a process and not a product. A denial of the fluidity of text is anti-art.

    http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/hopkins_guide_to_literary_theory/textual_criticism.html

    Of course, but I would say that subsequent text/editing is an ADDITION to the original. It cannot/should not replace the initial effort.
    If there was a chair in which I could comprehend, I would stand always and embrace the path
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    Traver DiDiminico wrote:
    Of course, but I would say that subsequent text/editing is an ADDITION to the original. It cannot/should not replace the initial effort.

    Umm, I'm not sure there is such a thing as an originary text. And the first version published/posted isn't necessarily that. Textual editors have a headache trying to second-guess absolute originary authorial intention. Where does a text begin?
  • Traver DiDiminicoTraver DiDiminico Posts: 185
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Umm, I'm not sure there is such a thing as an originary text. And the first version published/posted isn't necessarily that. Textual editors have a headache trying to second-guess absolute originary authorial intention. Where does a text begin?

    I care not for publication/posting. Putting pen to paper happens for a reason. Bob Dylan said that he regrets the fact that he ever recorded his music. For example, his live versions of "Tangled Up in Blue" consistently change-they are fluid. My point is that you should not discount the first time he sang it. It is as true as the last time he sang it. There is no "version". In my mind editing is an attempt to erase these previous "versions" and paint them as wrong or incorrect or not well thought out, etc.
    If there was a chair in which I could comprehend, I would stand always and embrace the path
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    Traver DiDiminico wrote:
    I care not for publication/posting. Putting pen to paper happens for a reason. Bob Dylan said that he regrets the fact that he ever recorded his music. For example, his live versions of "Tangled Up in Blue" consistently change-they are fluid. My point is that you should not discount the first time he sang it. It is as true as the last time he sang it. There is no "version". In my mind editing is an attempt to erase these previous "versions" and paint them as wrong or incorrect or not well thought out, etc.

    But don't we write/edit/construct a text just by reading it? Doesn't a text change in its associations and subtexts each time we go to it? Aren't we, as Ed wisely said, part-owners of a text? Don't we determinine and inevitably change its meaning, over and over again, whether we read or misread a text? The meaning of The Iliad changes from generation to generation and we can never know how it was received, interpreted or even intended (or if it even had one author or period of composition) in its "original" context(s).
  • EvilToasterElfEvilToasterElf Posts: 1,119
    Traver DiDiminico wrote:
    I care not for publication/posting. Putting pen to paper happens for a reason. Bob Dylan said that he regrets the fact that he ever recorded his music. For example, his live versions of "Tangled Up in Blue" consistently change-they are fluid. My point is that you should not discount the first time he sang it. It is as true as the last time he sang it. There is no "version". In my mind editing is an attempt to erase these previous "versions" and paint them as wrong or incorrect or not well thought out, etc.

    That's why there are good poets and bad poets and everything in between, a good poet finds the best way to communicate beauty or passion or emotion through words, it is a process, some people think a poem is never finished, and it certainly isn't done on the first draft. Editing is necessary if you want your poetry to rise above the masses who think just writing what they feel on a piece of paper passes as sincere art, poetry is not a journal - it's poetry - it requires skill and craft - When Ginsburg reads Howl he can change it up as much as he wants and record, theat would be the equivalent of recording all of your live shows for music.
  • Traver DiDiminicoTraver DiDiminico Posts: 185
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    But don't we write/edit/construct a text just by reading it? Doesn't a text change in its associations and subtexts each time we go to it? Aren't we, as Ed wisely said, part-owners of a text? Don't we determinine and inevitably change its meaning, over and over again, whether we read or misread a text? The meaning of The Iliad changes from generation to generation and we can never know how it was received, interpreted or even intended (or if it even had one author or period of composition) in its "original" context(s).

    Sure Fin, I agree. What I am trying to say is I don't like the idea of 20/20 hindsight editing on the part of a writer. Even if they completely disagree with what they wrote, it's out there. Done deal. Growth, evolution, learning, are part of the process, but move forward, rewrite, restate, continue the conversation but DO NOT disown your past. It's a cop out.
    If there was a chair in which I could comprehend, I would stand always and embrace the path
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    Traver DiDiminico wrote:
    Sure Fin, I agree. What I am trying to say is I don't like the idea of 20/20 hindsight editing on the part of a writer. Even if they completely disagree with what they wrote, it's out there. Done deal. Growth, evolution, learning, are part of the process, but move forward, rewrite, restate, continue the conversation but DO NOT disown your past. It's a cop out.

    Bottom line, though. Editing here. Yay or nay?
  • Traver DiDiminicoTraver DiDiminico Posts: 185
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Bottom line, though. Editing here. Yay or nay?

    Big YAY. Purely for practical reasons.
    If there was a chair in which I could comprehend, I would stand always and embrace the path
  • EvilToasterElfEvilToasterElf Posts: 1,119
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Bottom line, though. Editing here. Yay or nay?


    Yay, makes things easier
  • DopeBeastieDopeBeastie Posts: 2,513
    nay...

    being stuck with what you put up is a good way to get better at paying attention to your original intention

    of course, editing these things for yourself and/or your own publication is always your choice...

    just because you can't edit here doesn't mean you can't edit at all!

    this is, after all... a poetry page on a rock band's fan club

    seriously.

    so you look like a dufus for mispelling "misspelling"... big deal?
  • grooveamaticgrooveamatic Posts: 1,374
    PastaNazi wrote:
    nay...

    being stuck with what you put up is a good way to get better at paying attention to your original intention



    so you look like a dufus for mispelling "misspelling"... big deal?

    No one is gonna make someone edit if they have an artistic qualm with it...but shouldn't those of us who wish to, have the option?
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  • oldermanolderman Posts: 1,765
    i have read many good points and i hereby decree, as is my destiny, to be in favor of the edit.
    let's not forget the credit,
    that is to say,
    the original is kept,
    in a box for all to see,
    the original verse will never go away..

    can you do it sea and kat?

    can you do it,
    can you do it,
    can you do it,
    can you do it,
    can you do it,
    can you do it,
    can you do it,
    can you do i,,

    can you (do the) COOL JERK?
    C'MON PEOPLE ..

    COOL JERK!
    Down the street you can hear her scream youre a disgrace
    As she slams the door in his drunken face
    And now he stands outside
    And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
    He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
    What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
    Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
    And his tears fall and burn the garden green
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