genteel hypocrites

ISNISN Posts: 1,700
edited September 2005 in Poetry, Prose, Music & Art
gone are the days of genteel hypocrisy......
fostered by a two-faced aristocracy......
now we have cursing, porn and the internet
I wonder how much worse
it can get.....

we have reality TV
and girls bearing their breasts.....
and no suffering of fools
and yet.....
I miss genteel hypocrisy......
but I like truth better

(this was something I thought of on the way home from the shops.....walking down the hill.....the guy in the bottle shop said something about sperm count, and I just thought about our lack of shame these days.....etc, but I couldn't get a good poem out of it.......although there is a good poem in the idea)
....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
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  • ISN wrote:
    gone are the days of genteel hypocrisy......
    fostered by a two-faced aristocracy......
    now we have cursing, porn and the internet
    I wonder how much worse
    it can get.....

    quote]

    I think that s all you need
    leaves the feeling that it is only gonna get worse
    I will make the world a better place...with my own, two hands.
  • oh it is interesting though, isn't it?
    i am excited to see where it goes...

    most excited...

    i wish i could live 600 years :D
  • pacifierpacifier Posts: 1,009
    "I miss genteel hypocrisy......
    but I like truth better"


    It's a bit like that isn't it. Very true.
  • pacifierpacifier Posts: 1,009
    PastaNazi wrote:
    oh it is interesting though, isn't it?
    i am excited to see where it goes...

    most excited...

    i wish i could live 600 years :D

    It will swing. The pendulum always swings to the extreme and then swings back again. History always reapeats.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    pacifier wrote:
    It will swing. The pendulum always swings to the extreme and then swings back again. History always reapeats.

    History is not an absolute. It is a muddle of subjective narratives of events. Our narratives of events tend to be a desperate attempt at a pattern - circular, teleological, or pendular - and we seek corollaries between them to find their "similitude". Whatever your historiography, Western or Eastern, history repeats on a circle, a looping line or a swing because it has nothing to do with time and event. It's only an inherited psychopathology of interpretation.
  • pacifierpacifier Posts: 1,009
    History is not an absolute. It is a muddle of subjective narratives of events. Our narratives of events tend to form a desperate attempt at a pattern - circular, teleological, or pendular - because we seek corollaries between them to find their "similitude". Whatever your historiography, Western or Eastern, history repeats because it has nothing to do with time and event. It's only an inherited psychopathology of interpretation.

    History never repeats, I tell myself before I go to sleep...

    I don't mean it repeats exactly, just some of the trends and ways of thinking. for example people were too conservitave so they started to rebel, but once the openess gets to much for people to deal with they will tend to become more conservative again until it goes to far again and people rebel. Just small things like that.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    pacifier wrote:
    History never repeats, I tell myself before I go to sleep...

    I don't mean it repeats exactly, just some of the trends and ways of thinking. for example people were too conservitave so they started to rebel, but once the openess gets to much for people to deal with they will tend to become more conservative again until it goes to far again and people rebel. Just small things like that.

    Yes. I see. I think in a place like Russia, pre- and post- 1917, where history is supposed to repeat, the bottom line was that it was always 0.5 percent of the population who kept the wealth. Narratives of new regimes and their failed utopias were always going to end with the idea they were repeating a prior regime's folly because there was no real redistribution of wealth.

    Closer to home, did you ever see Roman Polanski's film of "Macbeth"? Polanski has Donalbain go visit the wyrd sisters after his brother Malcolm has taken the Scottish crown following Macbeth's death. People thought, ah, he's saying history repeats, but he's saying more: We think history repeats because we haven't broken the circle of ambition. The inference - the revolutionary point - is that it could be otherwise. We could stop history seeming to repeat itself. We could end this seeming inevitability of hierarchical greed. It needn't be evolution, baby.
  • pacifierpacifier Posts: 1,009
    We think history repeats because we haven't broken the circle of ambition. The inference - the revolutionary point - is that it could be otherwise. We could stop history seeming to repeat itself. We could end this seeming inevitability of hierarchical greed. It needn't be evolution, baby.

    I think I see where you are coming from. I do think my pendulum theory is kind of fitting to history/people, but I've always wondered why it never seems to settle in the middle, why do things always go to the extreme on either side? But pendulums slow, don't they? so if it continues this way maybe someday we'll all just be in the middle, never changing.
  • ahh, but you do have a great poem. Its perfect
    The only thing I enjoy is having no feelings....being numb rocks!

    And I won't make the same mistakes
    (Because I know)
    Because I know how much time that wastes
    (And function)
    Function is the key
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    thanks Depop......I wasn't sure heheheheheeheh......thanks again :)
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • I like it. It really is the modern world...
    7/10/06
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    is too much freedom a bad thing.....?
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • pacifierpacifier Posts: 1,009
    ISN wrote:
    is too much freedom a bad thing.....?

    it can be. there needs to be checks to keep people in line. no one should be free to murder or rape etc
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    oh it is interesting though, isn't it?
    i am excited to see where it goes...

    most excited...

    i wish i could live 600 years

    I know it's great isn't it Pasta, the world has changed so much since the fifties.....I love this modern period......with our complex problems and dumb solutions......I love our openness and frankness, our untethered in your face chutzpah, I wanna live forever, and be a part of the future too......it's gonna be so amazing......I really love life!!!!
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • twin2twin2 Posts: 894
    I like it. It is a good subject to write about-and an important one too. I view the world differently now that I'm a mom and I just don't agree with alot of it. Sometimes I wish I had children in a different time, where things were more innocent and private.
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    that's true twin2.....I see all these kids, hanging out......and I wonder about how such innocence is going to be corrupted when they get older.....this is really frutopia.....but at the same time, although hypocrisy still exists, I'm kind of glad we talk about things more and everything is more open and free......I love my time in life.....sixties to now.......there have been so many wild changes, and I read how the FBI were investigating Jim Morrison and calling his stage acts depravity.....etc......but I think we're better off in the long run for not being hypocrites.......the world is only going to get better......and I want to be around forever.......after all it's a wonderful world.........
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • pacifier wrote:
    it can be. there needs to be checks to keep people in line. no one should be free to murder or rape etc

    "there needs to be checks to keep people in line" ahh yes, and so religion was invented
    The only thing I enjoy is having no feelings....being numb rocks!

    And I won't make the same mistakes
    (Because I know)
    Because I know how much time that wastes
    (And function)
    Function is the key
  • you're right, the idea is fantastic....just spend some more time shaping, there's a great poem here...
    .........................................................................
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    thanks Groove, but I'll just leave it.....it's not a good poem, and I'm not a professional poet, it's just a consuming hobby, and I don't seek perfection - unlike the rest of my life, I'm fairly relaxed about my poems, plus I've moved onto two other ideas I got for poems today whilst out walking to the shops again, so I think I'll concentrate on shaping them instead :D (sorry I never answered your pm, but I guess I was busy - I'm very well thank you)
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
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