Poetry exercise: writing a sestina

FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
edited April 2005 in Poetry, Prose, Music & Art
The invention of the sestina form of poetry is often attributed to the twelfth century mathematician and troubadour Arnault Daniel. The sestina comprises 39 lines of unrhymed verse separated into six stanzas of six lines (sestets) each followed by a concluding stanza of three lines known as an "envoi". What is striking about its form is that it makes use of repetition.

Have a look at the form of "Sestina" by the American poet Elizabeth Bishop. I have indicated where end-of-line words repeat throughout the poem:

September rain falls on the house. (A)
In the failing light, the old grandmother (B)
sits in the kitchen with the child (C)
beside the Little Marvel Stove, (D)
reading the jokes from the almanac, (E)
laughing and talking to hide her tears. (F)

She thinks that her equinoctial tears (F)
and the rain that beats on the roof of the house (A)
were both foretold by the almanac, (E)
but only known to a grandmother. (B)
The iron kettle sings on the stove. (D)
She cuts some bread and says to the child, (C)

It's time for tea now; but the child (C)
is watching the teakettle's small hard tears (F)
dance like mad on the hot black stove, (D)
the way the rain must dance on the house. (A)
Tidying up, the old grandmother (B)
hangs up the clever almanac (E)

on its string. Birdlike, the almanac (E)
hovers half open above the child, (C)
hovers above the old grandmother (B)
and her teacup full of dark brown tears. (F)
She shivers and says she thinks the house (A)
feels chilly, and puts more wood in the stove. (D)

It was to be, says the Marvel Stove. (D)
I know what I know, says the almanac. (E)
With crayons the child draws a rigid house (A)
and a winding pathway. Then the child (C)
puts in a man with buttons like tears (F)
and shows it proudly to the grandmother. (B)

But secretly, while the grandmother (B)
busies herself about the stove, (D)
the little moons fall down like tears (F)
from between the pages of the almanac (E)
into the flower bed the child (C)
has carefully placed in the front of the house. (A)

Time to plant tears, says the almanac. (E)
The grandmother sings to the marvelous stove (D)
and the child draws another inscrutable house. (A)


The last triplet is unrhymed but, if you notice, all six line endings from the previous stanzas are repeated: three embedded in the middle of lines, three featured as line endings.
Here's a typical Sestina formation using a different triplet structure:


A
B
C
D
E
F

F
A
E
B
D
C

C
F
D
A
B
E


E
C
B
F
A
D

D
E
A
C
F
B

B
D
F
E
C
A

B E
D C envoi
F A

I hope you have enough material to attempt your own! Have fun doing this difficult poetry exercise.
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  • KwyjiboKwyjibo Posts: 662
    wow.

    complicated.
    The most remarkable thing about you standing in the doorway, is that its you, and that you're standing in the doorway.

    I write down good reasons to freeze to death in my spiral ring notebook. But in the long tresses of your hair--I am a babbling brook.
  • This is a recent sestina by cassia, a published poet who once upon a time used to post here:



    KELP

    Cast up like glistening seaweed,
    we begin our beaded journey.
    All through the landscape birds flicker
    their star-bright colors in blonde wheat,
    sweep by the blossoming rose
    and rise again to the fall of waves.

    The soft blue crush of the waves
    makes tawny ripples in the seaweed,
    bending the foam like a white frothed rose
    lifting our spirits’ long journey.
    We rejoice–our bellies full of wheat
    as the stars poke out and flicker.

    The morning dew-prisms flicker
    through our hearts to the waking waves;
    they roll amber in the sun’s wheat,
    curving, backs laden with seaweed,
    seeming to enjoy their journey,
    soft-swept as an ocean rose.

    Our feet dance where the sun rose—
    the quartz grains’ sparkling flicker
    adds to the sand’s chance journey.
    The dunes swirl in small arched waves,
    the short grass resembling seaweed
    or the early tufts of winter wheat.

    The sun rolls in fields of wheat
    then lingers on the new red rose,
    dries tobacco-like the seaweed
    and causes diamonds to flicker
    on the long watery backs of waves,
    glinting the path of this journey.
  • KwyjiboKwyjibo Posts: 662
    that doesn't fit the format you posted though.
    The most remarkable thing about you standing in the doorway, is that its you, and that you're standing in the doorway.

    I write down good reasons to freeze to death in my spiral ring notebook. But in the long tresses of your hair--I am a babbling brook.
  • You're right! You're the kind of writer a teacher needs to keep them on their toes. :)

    Here's some doggerel of mine just to demonstrate the form:

    Two taps, then three more. I thought that tap mine,
    unique to me. The knocking taps again.
    That's Freudian uncanniness, the strange
    in what's familar or what's home
    in what is strange. That knock again. I'll go
    and get the door, see who the knocker is.

    "How are you doing, fella? Well this is
    a mighty place you have! Your door's like mine:
    Art deco glass. Edwardian. You go
    and make a pot of tea. Yes, back at home
    I have a coat rack just like that. Again,
    I have a mirror like that too." This strange

    old man who in my mirror's not so strange;
    I feel he knows me. So, I speak: "What is
    your name, sir? Make yourself at home,
    please do. Come through. So far you're quite a mine
    of revelations." There's that tap again:
    He taps my kitchen table. "What would go

    with tea? I have these biscuits here, they go
    with anything. Well, do you know, that's strange
    that you don't know me. Ah well, then again
    I've been away. I guess what happens is
    a long lost cousin's like a buried mine
    that gets forgotten, and a brand new home

    gets built above it. But one day the home
    begins to throb and tick, and it will GO!!!
    I'm Joe, your cousin; unexploded mine."
    (The way he drags his similes is strange:
    that's just what I would do. Perhaps this is
    a cousin, not a chancer.) "Thanks again

    For this good cup of tea. I'll call again,
    I'm only passing. Please call at my home
    number. here's my card." This stranger is
    just like me, to come and then to go
    through people's lives, not stopping, always home
    to strangers yet to those at home, quite strange.

    "I'll call again." I watch him turn and go,
    Home-strange, strange-homely. Homebombs range, hit home.
    I'm all this stranger is. And nothing's mine.

    ___

    But the alternation of line endings is up to you as long as it works out.
  • oldermanolderman Posts: 1,765
    ok ok ok fun fun fun.. i will put on my thinking cap, grab my old calculus text book and i will torture myself and write a sestina.. someway, somehow, someday, over the rainbow... i think i'll use a wizard of oz theme.. that's a start anyway... *drinks another toast to Pearl Jam's next record*
    Down the street you can hear her scream youre a disgrace
    As she slams the door in his drunken face
    And now he stands outside
    And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
    He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
    What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
    Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
    And his tears fall and burn the garden green
  • EvilToasterElfEvilToasterElf Posts: 1,119
    In my mind I float above a chasm (A)
    filled with memories of only smell (B)
    the pictures here elude the other senses (C)
    and life seems but a toil to build the bridge (D)
    but I am no architect, my hands can only write (E)
    these aromas leave me with dawn's vacant light (F)

    I toil in this office, under flourescent light
    that shines into my coffee cup, that chasm
    fueling the typed reports I'm forced to write
    connected to the circuits, with that electric smell
    from those wires clogged like rush hour on the bridge
    crossing endlessly, like habits dull the senses

    On my rides home, I shut off all my senses
    there is no existence between these traffic lights
    the void fills the jumper's thoughts, between the water and the bridge
    at home I change the channel to fill that chasm
    the flickers across white walls, and the smell
    of plastic flowers and the checks I never write

    to those who'll never read what I write
    until my obituary brings them to their senses
    and they'll remember my plastic flower smell
    and they'll see my life in rose colored light
    which they will shine into this word filled chasm
    and through hell of darkness I'll have finally built my bridge

    the hymms of gospel choirs carry them across my bridge
    built apon this translation of my soul, write
    your signature across this stone slab, this six foot chasm
    the final sextet of my minds decaying senses
    where the earth has finally stole my from these lights
    that spear across my vision, in this box that fills with smell

    Oh how grass above must smell
    this field of death cut short above the bridge
    of life, and few who pray still beneath the lantern light
    my name will find its way into the journals they will write
    about the time they see is wasted, how their senses
    devieved them into ignoring the enclosing chasm

    That papery smell, on condolensces they write
    bridge the fear, that consumes the senses
    no light is needed, all life can smell that chasm


    Wow Fins, this is pretty difficult, and I trapped myself with the abstractions, but I think this kind of repitition will grate on any poet while they're in the process of writing, just because of the nature of modern poetry. But I gave it a shot

    ETF
  • DopeBeastieDopeBeastie Posts: 2,513
    lol... okay, so I messed up. I thought I had to end each stanza with one of my line-endings from the first stanza, and use all six line endings in the envoi. I figured that out four stanza's in and couldn't bear to change what i'd already done.

    cheers,


    A refridgerator door hangs open.
    Open hands jar, fist and toss
    last week's left things yet uneaten
    to the trash, the dish to sink
    Filling up with fresh hot water
    Bubbles making dry meringue.

    More Dawn to Dobie Sponge and squeeze
    An open hand jars, fists and rolls
    circles over food-stuck plates
    straight lines jerking dirty knives.
    To the left sink, soapy, clean,
    Until it's full and then more water.

    Dishes done, now to the oven
    Take the baking to the rack
    Pie crust, gold and to perfection.
    Sweet, tart custard, next in line.
    Lemons peeled against a grate
    for zest, the rest to be uneaten

    Scrape the spoon against the bottom
    of the copper, stove-top pot
    three minutes of some dedication
    now to crust, the custard, pour.
    This is when you use your fingers,
    tasting. Then the pot to sink.

    Crack six eggs, but save the yolk
    adding the wierd Creme of Tartar.
    With the wisk, make your arm tired
    ferverently beating whites
    stiff peaks, kitchen queen, Behold!
    Manificent Meringue!

    Pile it on, bake it brown.
    You may now too, beam with pride
    while you put away the dishes
    clean and dried. The family gathered.
    Reprimand the children's fingers.
    Catch the kiss the man would toss.

    Open your mind to love at the sink.
    Toss out what has not been eaten.
    Bake a meringue pie. Use water.
  • Wow. I wake up in the moring and this thread has been busy overnight! :)
  • oldermanolderman Posts: 1,765
    i am working on the six words .. forget about the wizard of oz theme.. that was Bombay Sapphire talking ;)
    Down the street you can hear her scream youre a disgrace
    As she slams the door in his drunken face
    And now he stands outside
    And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
    He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
    What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
    Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
    And his tears fall and burn the garden green
  • dude, that's awesome, but there is no way in hell that I could do that. when I write it's more of words flowing out of me. there's too much thinking in that. that's still awesome though.
    some words when spoken...can't be taken back

    she lived like a murder...but she died. just like suicide...

    "if you love someone, set them free. if someone loves you, don't fuck up."
  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    olderman wrote:
    i am working on the six words .. forget about the wizard of oz theme.. that was Bombay Sapphire talking ;)
    I screwed up the villanelle on one glass of wine, and you think I'm going to attempt this?

    Thank you anywho for your knowledge finns....
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

    PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
  • KwyjiboKwyjibo Posts: 662
    god dammit finsbury. that about killed me. It barely works in some places, but I did it.


    Brilliant moonlight shivered across the snow.
    Rivers of footprints rippled from door to door,
    imprints of children’s feet, only inches deep.
    Air between our shoulders; thousands of frozen flecks.
    Never did we say a word, as we blindly walked to fate,
    nor could I look at you. The air froze my every word.

    Everywhere they dropped and shattered. Word after word
    splintering on the sidewalk, unsoftened by the snow.
    And with our destination fast approaching, our fate
    would soon be known. When we finally reach your door,
    will I have anything to say? Will I be only a silent fleck
    of snow to be brushed away? Or will our kiss be deep?

    violently I want to shake you–to break from this deep
    spell of silence. Yet my steps remain rigid, no word
    can yet release our frozen forward motion. Each fleck
    we squash seems to doom us to forever walk in snow.
    And every time we pass some friendly old oak door,
    I think about how close we are to the terrible fate.

    Saturday I’ll leave this place, and my fate
    is never to return. Always I’ll remember this deep
    snow and the creeping sense of dread, and your door.
    This perfect shining moment was not ruined by words,
    It was ruined by their utter disappearance, as if they were snow
    melting into nothingness, and my love in every fleck.

    I can feel my heart disintegrating into fleck upon fleck,
    and I know that this bitter end cannot be my fate.
    Some expression can be found, in these walls of snow.
    My lips start to move, only frozen mist escapes to the deep
    night sky. A groan freezes in my throat, but still no word
    is released. We’re there at last and I stand and block the door.

    I cannot move, but I cannot speak. An ice statue at your door!
    You reach up and wipe the precious fleck
    of frozen tear! But still, we can’t seem to say a word!
    It seems we’re doomed to stand here forever! It is our fate!
    Suddenly you step so close and you kiss me, softly, then deep
    and with power! And there we stand, eternally lost in falling snow!

    We freeze there at your door, ice statues embracing their fate.
    But into your eye falls a single fleck, and you disappear into some deep
    dream. I’m trapped forever with no word, lost in the innumerable walls of snow.
    The most remarkable thing about you standing in the doorway, is that its you, and that you're standing in the doorway.

    I write down good reasons to freeze to death in my spiral ring notebook. But in the long tresses of your hair--I am a babbling brook.
  • KwyjiboKwyjibo Posts: 662
    man, I think I picked too hard of words to repear

    ps.

    WISH ME LUCK

    tommorow I'm going in to submit poetry and my short story so I'll hopefully get accepted into the upper division creative writing classes

    eek!
    The most remarkable thing about you standing in the doorway, is that its you, and that you're standing in the doorway.

    I write down good reasons to freeze to death in my spiral ring notebook. But in the long tresses of your hair--I am a babbling brook.
  • Kwyjibo wrote:
    god dammit finsbury. that about killed me. It barely works in some places, but I did it.


    Brilliant moonlight shivered across the snow.
    Rivers of footprints rippled from door to door,
    imprints of children’s feet, only inches deep.
    Air between our shoulders; thousands of frozen flecks.
    Never did we say a word, as we blindly walked to fate,
    nor could I look at you. The air froze my every word.

    Everywhere they dropped and shattered. Word after word
    splintering on the sidewalk, unsoftened by the snow.
    And with our destination fast approaching, our fate
    would soon be known. When we finally reach your door,
    will I have anything to say? Will I be only a silent fleck
    of snow to be brushed away? Or will our kiss be deep?

    violently I want to shake you–to break from this deep
    spell of silence. Yet my steps remain rigid, no word
    can yet release our frozen forward motion. Each fleck
    we squash seems to doom us to forever walk in snow.
    And every time we pass some friendly old oak door,
    I think about how close we are to the terrible fate.

    Saturday I’ll leave this place, and my fate
    is never to return. Always I’ll remember this deep
    snow and the creeping sense of dread, and your door.
    This perfect shining moment was not ruined by words,
    It was ruined by their utter disappearance, as if they were snow
    melting into nothingness, and my love in every fleck.

    I can feel my heart disintegrating into fleck upon fleck,
    and I know that this bitter end cannot be my fate.
    Some expression can be found, in these walls of snow.
    My lips start to move, only frozen mist escapes to the deep
    night sky. A groan freezes in my throat, but still no word
    is released. We’re there at last and I stand and block the door.

    I cannot move, but I cannot speak. An ice statue at your door!
    You reach up and wipe the precious fleck
    of frozen tear! But still, we can’t seem to say a word!
    It seems we’re doomed to stand here forever! It is our fate!
    Suddenly you step so close and you kiss me, softly, then deep
    and with power! And there we stand, eternally lost in falling snow!

    We freeze there at your door, ice statues embracing their fate.
    But into your eye falls a single fleck, and you disappear into some deep
    dream. I’m trapped forever with no word, lost in the innumerable walls of snow.


    That's bloody good. You should easily get into the upper division. I say good luck but I think your talent covers you.
  • burtschipsburtschips Posts: 734
    Very enticing, is it torture or pleasure Kwyjibo?
    Salut baloo
  • KwyjiboKwyjibo Posts: 662
    "a mix of pleasure and pain" as my drummer was fond of saying.


    Thanks finsbury, I'm pretty sure they only do this so that english majors have to stress once and a while like everyone else.

    ugh, I've got a busy week. Gotta read 'Walden' by Thoreau and "The Waste Land" by Eliot by tommorow.

    seeing the decemberists tuesday night. Test wednesday morning
    The most remarkable thing about you standing in the doorway, is that its you, and that you're standing in the doorway.

    I write down good reasons to freeze to death in my spiral ring notebook. But in the long tresses of your hair--I am a babbling brook.
  • oldermanolderman Posts: 1,765
    That's bloody good. You should easily get into the upper division. I say good luck but I think your talent covers you.

    it is very good... i am still working on me own sestina.. senoritas and hot sand will be prevelant..

    excellent work kwyjibo..
    Down the street you can hear her scream youre a disgrace
    As she slams the door in his drunken face
    And now he stands outside
    And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
    He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
    What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
    Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
    And his tears fall and burn the garden green
  • KwyjiboKwyjibo Posts: 662
    thanks guys, and thanks for the link, it will help in the discussion tommorow.

    I'm barely into Walden by Thoreau right now. I'm not enjoying it very much, and I'm really crawling at a snails pace here. I read a page, and then it's like "wow! I didn't retain ANY of that!" then I read it again, and again. ugh.

    what a longwinded bastard thoreau can be.

    this could be an all-nighter. Better crack another mountain dew.
    The most remarkable thing about you standing in the doorway, is that its you, and that you're standing in the doorway.

    I write down good reasons to freeze to death in my spiral ring notebook. But in the long tresses of your hair--I am a babbling brook.
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    Brilliant moonlight shivered across the snow.
    Rivers of footprints rippled from door to door,
    imprints of children’s feet, only inches deep.
    Air between our shoulders; thousands of frozen flecks.
    Never did we say a word, as we blindly walked to fate,
    nor could I look at you. The air froze my every word.

    Everywhere they dropped and shattered. Word after word
    splintering on the sidewalk, unsoftened by the snow.
    And with our destination fast approaching, our fate
    would soon be known. When we finally reach your door,
    will I have anything to say? Will I be only a silent fleck
    of snow to be brushed away? Or will our kiss be deep?

    violently I want to shake you–to break from this deep
    spell of silence. Yet my steps remain rigid, no word
    can yet release our frozen forward motion. Each fleck
    we squash seems to doom us to forever walk in snow.
    And every time we pass some friendly old oak door,
    I think about how close we are to the terrible fate.

    Saturday I’ll leave this place, and my fate
    is never to return. Always I’ll remember this deep
    snow and the creeping sense of dread, and your door.
    This perfect shining moment was not ruined by words,
    It was ruined by their utter disappearance, as if they were snow
    melting into nothingness, and my love in every fleck.

    I can feel my heart disintegrating into fleck upon fleck,
    and I know that this bitter end cannot be my fate.
    Some expression can be found, in these walls of snow.
    My lips start to move, only frozen mist escapes to the deep
    night sky. A groan freezes in my throat, but still no word
    is released. We’re there at last and I stand and block the door.

    I cannot move, but I cannot speak. An ice statue at your door!
    You reach up and wipe the precious fleck
    of frozen tear! But still, we can’t seem to say a word!
    It seems we’re doomed to stand here forever! It is our fate!
    Suddenly you step so close and you kiss me, softly, then deep
    and with power! And there we stand, eternally lost in falling snow!

    We freeze there at your door, ice statues embracing their fate.
    But into your eye falls a single fleck, and you disappear into some deep
    dream. I’m trapped forever with no word, lost in the innumerable walls of snow.

    didn't you write a very similar poem before, about a couple walking in the snow.....I remember one quite vividly.....it had the same feeling in it.....
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    I'm going to attempt a Sestina today if work is quiet.....I think it can produce some beautiful poems.....
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • pearlmuttpearlmutt Posts: 392
    "ugh, I've got a busy week. Gotta read 'Walden' by Thoreau and "The Waste Land" by Eliot by tommorow"

    the very best part of the wasteland is the end.

    I promise you will retain it:

    Shantih shantih shantih

    well worth checking the footnote on that one!

    Good luck!!
  • KwyjiboKwyjibo Posts: 662
    I wasn't retaining Thoreau. I did fine with Eliot :)

    ISN: I reworked an old poem for this sestina

    you can find the original here:

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=108235
    The most remarkable thing about you standing in the doorway, is that its you, and that you're standing in the doorway.

    I write down good reasons to freeze to death in my spiral ring notebook. But in the long tresses of your hair--I am a babbling brook.
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    I remember it.....although I'll have another look......

    here's my effort

    faggots are drawn on a cart by horses
    and I reach to the left to kiss my child
    after feeding on spuds for Winter
    we are home once more in Spring's new joy
    the sticks will be fed into hungry fire
    we are home, we are home once again


    we made our abode in the cup of Winter
    and we drank from his frosty fire
    there was sorrow and weeping, and joy
    disappeared for a season, but again
    it grows in the face of my child,
    in her ruddy cheeks as she rides the horses


    all around me the fields are crackling with fire
    as the mice and the insects scurry in joy
    I gather the reins which are holding the horses
    awaiting the moment I kiss bye to Winter
    and chivvy them on with ayes once again
    as I lovingly look at the face of my child

    forsake not your husbands, in joy
    or in sorrow, and though you'd not wed them again
    the heart has its temper, my child
    it will pull you hither and tither on horses
    but your father went hunting in dark light of Winter
    and left me to you and cold's dampened fire

    so grasp life (and love), for you won't live again
    and the seasons roll on from Fall to Winter
    leaving the meek in their wake, like a fire
    is your heart, you are young yet, my child
    and like the curious foal of two horses
    you'll stamp and you'll rear for joy

    come to me, my darling, my baby, my child
    and take yourself down from those horses
    we've reached home, and miles, and miles again
    have been travelled by us in uncertain joy
    we'll just get some charcoal to light up the fire
    and burn from the house that harshest foe Winter

    I worried my child not warmed by the fire
    might shrivel again from no joy
    but the horses, they've pulled her from Winter
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • pearlmuttpearlmutt Posts: 392
    "I did fine with Eliot"

    How do I express elation?

    iiiiii!!!!!!

    (it'll have to do)
  • ISN wrote:
    I remember it.....although I'll have another look......

    here's my effort

    faggots are drawn on a cart by horses
    and I reach to the left to kiss my child
    after feeding on spuds for Winter
    we are home once more in Spring's new joy
    the sticks will be fed into hungry fire
    we are home, we are home once again


    we made our abode in the cup of Winter
    and we drank from his frosty fire
    there was sorrow and weeping, and joy
    disappeared for a season, but again
    it grows in the face of my child,
    in her ruddy cheeks as she rides the horses


    all around me the fields are crackling with fire
    as the mice and the insects scurry in joy
    I gather the reins which are holding the horses
    awaiting the moment I kiss bye to Winter
    and chivvy them on with ayes once again
    as I lovingly look at the face of my child

    forsake not your husbands, in joy
    or in sorrow, and though you'd not wed them again
    the heart has its temper, my child
    it will pull you hither and tither on horses
    but your father went hunting in dark light of Winter
    and left me to you and cold's dampened fire

    so grasp life (and love), for you won't live again
    and the seasons roll on from Fall to Winter
    leaving the meek in their wake, like a fire
    is your heart, you are young yet, my child
    and like the curious foal of two horses
    you'll stamp and you'll rear for joy

    come to me, my darling, my baby, my child
    and take yourself down from those horses
    we've reached home, and miles, and miles again
    have been travelled by us in uncertain joy
    we'll just get some charcoal to light up the fire
    and burn from the house that harshest foe Winter

    I worried my child not warmed by the fire
    might shrivel again from no joy
    but the horses, they've pulled her from Winter

    ISN, that's beautiful.
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    thanks Fins....:D
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • DopeBeastieDopeBeastie Posts: 2,513
    i agree, ISN

    it is lovely
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    thanks PastorNazi....hehehehe
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
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