Poetry exercise: writing a villanelle

FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
edited April 2005 in Poetry, Prose, Music & Art
A villanelle is a nineteen-line poem comprising five triplets and a quatrain. It will usually be rhymed aba aba aba aba aba abaa. It makes use of alternate repetition: for example, the first line of the first stanza will be repeated as the third line in the second stanza, and the third line of the first stanza will be repeated as the third line of the third stanza.

Here's WH Auden's poem Villanelle:

Time can say nothing but I told you so,
Time only knows the price we have to pay;
If I could tell you, I would let you know.

If we should weep when clowns put on their show,
If we should stumble when musicians play,
Time can say nothing but I told you so.

There are no fortunes to be told, although
Because I love you more than I can say,
If I could tell you, I would let you know.

The winds must come from somewhere when they blow,
There must be reasons why the leaves decay;
Time can say nothing but I told you so.

Perhaps the roses really want to grow,
The vision seriously intends to stay;
If I could tell you, I would let you know.

Suppose the lions all get up and go,
And all the brooks and soldiers run away?
Time can say nothing but I told you so.
If I could tell you, I would let you know.

______

Please write your own villanelle(s) and share them with us.
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  • burtschipsburtschips Posts: 734
    Very interesting, might try one day. In that mature post you said you could be considered an oracle in some tribes coz of the grey hair on your nose. That made me laugh, after one of your other posts I was going to reply and ask how old you are. I was thinking 126, was also going to say that I thought I should call you oracle or gandolf! You post very informative information. :)
    Salut baloo
  • Haha. No, I'm thirty-two, nearly thirty-three.
  • burtschipsburtschips Posts: 734
    ah well, a gandolf in the making then.
    Salut baloo
  • burtschipsburtschips Posts: 734
    It's a very beautiful structure or motion. It reminds me of waves.
    Salut baloo
  • Yes! It does. Google villanelles and look at some examples. They're beautiful.
  • I think I'll draft one in the next couple of hours. Anyone else want to have a go?
  • burtschipsburtschips Posts: 734
    I will try, sure.
    Salut baloo
  • I'm working one right now
    If there was a chair in which I could comprehend, I would stand always and embrace the path
  • Once divided...nothing left to subtract
    My actions have set me apart from you
    Some words when spoken can't be taken back

    The path is well trodden but I've lost track
    It seems there is nothing I can do
    Once divided...nothing left to subtract

    I search myself for what it is I lack
    I find the nothingness inside rings true
    Some words when spoken can't be taken back

    As the sun goes down, colors fade to black
    Still it seems my world is painted blue
    Once divided...nothing left to subtract

    Your spoken words were not based in fact
    Your traitor lips betrayed what your heart knew
    Some words when spoken can't be taken back

    It is my turn, now, to pick up the slack
    Not to worry about what may ensue
    Once divided...nothing left to subtract
    Some words when spoken can't be taken back

    Note: read "based" in the fifth triplet as two syllabled
    If there was a chair in which I could comprehend, I would stand always and embrace the path
  • Cool! And Pearl Jam-inspired too! :)
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    it's a bit awkward....not used to doing this....here goes

    When we have dreamt this sleep of days
    nothing shall ever oppose our hopes,
    and waking we shall find death erased.

    Sleeping in sun, in swollen rays.
    Sending out sighs to scope -
    when we will dream this sleep of days.

    Love, only fill me with your gaze!
    before death and I elope,
    and waking you shall find death erased.

    Walking through night the music plays;
    we hum silently. (For words we won't grope)
    when we have dreamt this sleep of days.

    I labour for love, but love always strays.
    I'm sleeping and dreaming and climbing a slope
    but waking I shall find death erased.

    Oh, you have my heart in softened stays,
    and your voice is its gorgeous rope.
    Hang me, and even then I will praise,
    when we have dreamt this sleep of days.
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • ok, good effort and I don't mean to nitpick but I'm not sure you got the format correct.
    If there was a chair in which I could comprehend, I would stand always and embrace the path
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    oh, I tried so hard....he didn't say anything about metre....just aba aba...etc.....I even copied out his instructions......he never mentioned metre.....so embarrassed......sorry....
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    FinsBubble....come and invigorate....I mean invigilate.....heheheheh
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • Well, there are no strict rules about metre in villanelles but conventionally, a lot of writers use iambic pentameter.As strict villanelles go, you have to repeat the line word for word each time, but for a near-villanelle this is fine. You get near-sonnets and near-sestinas, after all. :)
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    thx....FinsBubble....maybe I shouldn't have bothered.....
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • ISN wrote:
    oh, I tried so hard....he didn't say anything about metre....just aba aba...etc.....I even copied out his instructions......he never mentioned metre.....so embarrassed......sorry....

    Oh, i'm sorry. I didn't mean the meter. I didn't even pay attention to the meter. What I meant was you didn't follow the pattern of alternating repeating lines (google villanelle). Don't feel bad. A villanelle is very hard to write (in fact, one could argue that they are silly and arbitrary). Unless you're god, a villanelle should really be approached as an exercise. You can count on one hand the number of poets who have written villanelles that are truely great poems.

    P.S. I always read but I rarely respond and I feel obligated to tell you that I always enjoy reading your work.
    If there was a chair in which I could comprehend, I would stand always and embrace the path
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    thx Traver....I was jus being petulant.....I purposely changed the words in the villanelle.....because I thought that was imaginative, and added a twist....I can rewrite it with the same phrases......repeated......I didn't know the whole poem would fall into disfavour if I tweaked it a bit......so I'll try to re-write it to make it a proper one.....(I'm glad you read my stuff.....half of it's rubbish......the rest is okay.....hehehehehe....:D )
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    When we have dreamt this sleep of days
    nothing shall ever oppose our hopes,
    and waking we shall find death erased.

    Sleeping in sun, in swollen rays.
    Sending out sighs to scope -
    when we have dreamt this sleep of days.

    Love, only fill me with your gaze!
    before death and I elope,
    and waking we shall find death erased.

    Walking through night the music plays;
    we hum silently. (For words we won't grope)
    when we have dreamt this sleep of days.

    I labour for love, but love always strays.
    I'm sleeping and dreaming and climbing a slope
    and waking we shall find death erased.

    Oh, you have my heart in softened stays,
    and your voice is its gorgeous rope.
    Hang me, and even then I will praise,
    when we have dreamt this sleep of days.

    boo.....shoo.....moderators.....short....10 characters
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • burtschipsburtschips Posts: 734
    This is hard, quite tortuous, probably reads so..... I undertsand why many smoked opium. It's not complete, so a demi-villanelle. It's about waves.


    Waves

    A wave courts the sparkling shimmering shore
    Recalled by natures rhythmic meter of time
    As a lunar tremor memorised in tidal law

    Such smoothly silent bodies seem demure
    For in fright and grievance lies the unheard chime
    A wave courts the sparkling shimmering shore

    Felt as an echoe from within its deepest core
    A message of promise with untold crime
    As a lunar tremor memorised in tidal law

    In such fears the truth is born
    from a silent knowledge that is mine
    A wave courts the sparkling shimmering shore



    I'm going to try the last two stanzas later.
    Salut baloo
  • Fancy trying a villanelle?
  • burtschips wrote:
    This is hard, quite tortuous, probably reads so..... I undertsand why many smoked opium. It's not complete, so a demi-villanelle. It's about waves.


    Waves

    A wave courts the sparkling shimmering shore
    Recalled by natures rhythmic meter of time
    As a lunar tremor memorised in tidal law

    Such smoothly silent bodies seem demure
    For in fright and grievance lies the unheard chime
    A wave courts the sparkling shimmering shore

    Felt as an echoe from within its deepest core
    A message of promise with untold crime
    As a lunar tremor memorised in tidal law

    In such fears the truth is born
    from a silent knowledge that is mine
    A wave courts the sparkling shimmering shore



    I'm going to try the last two stanzas later.


    It is tough. It's probably easier to write line-by-line poetry as a villanelle but if you're thinking about maintaining some kind of syntagmatic order, as you'd find in syntactical prose, the repetition of lines jars the communicative act.

    Keep going!
  • burtschipsburtschips Posts: 734
    Waves

    A wave courts the sparkling shimmering shore
    Recalled by natures rhythmic meter of time
    As a lunar tremor memorised in tidal law

    Such smoothly silent bodies seem demure
    For in fright and grievance lies the unheard chime
    A wave courts the sparkling shimmering shore

    Felt as an echoe from within its deepest core
    A message of promise with untold crime
    As a lunar tremor memorised in tidal law

    In such fears the truth is born
    From a silent knowledge that is divine
    A wave courts the sparkling shimmering shore

    The rolling swell idling surely from moor to moor
    Is fixed eternally to its mothers shine
    As a lunar tremor memorised in tidal law

    Rippled brothers pulsing over ocean floor
    Reading fathoms shudders formed trace in mime
    Whos angered crest and boiling surf leaves one thing sure
    As a lunar tremor memorised in tidal law.



    Got more enjoyable in the end, might try one once a month. I could imagine spending a long time on one trying to get it to feel right.
    Salut baloo
  • oldermanolderman Posts: 1,765
    OK Fins, here I go!! (stole a line from Wordsworth... Please forgive me)

    The Child is the Father to the Man,
    The Father envies his long lost youth,
    As the Children play as Peter Pan.

    Worn out footsteps covered by the sand,
    Tries to forget his wrongs and yet the truth,
    The Child is the Father to the Man.

    The Father works out his financial plan,
    While Mother strives to retain her youth,
    As the Children play as Peter Pan.

    Wicked Brother does all that he can
    To rob his Father's fortune nail and tooth,
    The Child is the Father to the Man.

    I'm through with tears and I have my plan,
    For the greed I've seen has not been smooth,
    As the Children play as Peter Pan.

    I will find sunlight and burn to a tan,
    And peace will abide with me forsooth,
    The Child is the Father to the Man,
    As the Children play as Peter Pan.

    ____

    much of this was written to get through the excersise so don't try to find too much depth.. but thanks for reading :)
    Down the street you can hear her scream youre a disgrace
    As she slams the door in his drunken face
    And now he stands outside
    And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
    He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
    What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
    Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
    And his tears fall and burn the garden green
  • Well, these exercises aim to help you get so confident with the form that you can say what you say without being constricted, but show technical skill as well as depth of feeling and content into the bargain. Thanks for doing the exercise, Olderman.
  • burtschipsburtschips Posts: 734
    ah ballsacks, just realised reading Oldermans that I got the last stanza wrong (lat two line repeat bit), easy to correct though. I've got to pay more attention.
    Salut baloo
  • Yes, you need to repeat the repeated lines as a final couplet. But the process of learning is fun! And, as you say, it's easy to correct what you wrote.
  • rubyruby Posts: 103
    Fancy trying a villanelle?

    Finsbury, you make it sound like a little cake :).
    I've really enjoyed reading everyone's villanelles. Gonna try one too :).
  • Okay! I've written a few but this thread's all about everyone, so if I post them it'll be later. :)
  • KwyjiboKwyjibo Posts: 662
    I have to do one of these by next week, so I'm bumping this thread so I can find it later.
    The most remarkable thing about you standing in the doorway, is that its you, and that you're standing in the doorway.

    I write down good reasons to freeze to death in my spiral ring notebook. But in the long tresses of your hair--I am a babbling brook.
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