The Quisling

FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
edited August 2005 in Poetry, Prose, Music & Art
Some say he was an orphan boy, some say
one dusk, his mother fled back home alone
returning to her island. He would play
the mainland children's game, affect their tone
of loud command and keep in with his knife-
sharp keepers: Cold, drawn blades, colonial
administrators once upon a life,
upon that island where perennial
dreams of never ending suns cut down
into the soil that stained them with blood,
that blood the boy's own father's. He would disown
his bloodshod name to be just like the good
sharp sword of empire, steel proud Western Man.
He would never curse, this Caliban.
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  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    yes!!! :D and who is this Caliban.....is he a real person?
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • ISN wrote:
    yes!!! :D and who is this Caliban.....is he a real person?

    He may well be many, and in his colonial mimicry, no-one. Or his mimicry might fracture the authority of the colonialists he mimics by doubling it at a distance from its own claim to monolithic, absolute power.
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    He may well be many, and in his colonial mimicry, no-one. Or his mimicry might fracture the authority of the colonialists he mimics by doubling it at a distance from its own claim

    I can certainly relate to that - I found living in the UK, that in order to assimilate into this former Colonial intimidator, I had to learn English very well, and affect a posh accent/south london accent, and I had to be old school - and I was old school....it helped that I was pretty and white, but I was never really accepted......the UK is changing rapidly......I have all the tricks in the book, I learnt them when I was there.......the only thing I couldn't master was actually feeling like I belonged there.......I worked for the Director of the Royal Commonwealth Society, and he showed me the original document which he had in his top drawer which was like the Magna Carta of the Commonwealth, old and crusty, like him......and when I first met him in my tattered threadbare clothes, he blithely told me that the room we were in (civil service) was the ante room to a bedroom of some Queen in her palace, where Tsar Nicholas had resigned......needless to say, I wasn't impressed.......it takes a lot to impress me......hehehehhee
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • :) Good to see a new one from ya, Fins! I dunno but for some reason this has me thinkin' of how I think of GWB. I wish I had the command of the Engliash language that you do! :) I like that I have to look up words to figure out what you're saying sometimes, it's fun.
    Forget your perfect offering, there is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in. - Leonard Cohen
  • ISN wrote:
    I can certainly relate to that - I found living in the UK, that in order to assimilate into this former Colonial intimidator, I had to learn English very well, and affect a posh accent/south london accent, and I had to be old school - and I was old school....it helped that I was pretty and white, but I was never really accepted......the UK is changing rapidly......I have all the tricks in the book, I learnt them when I was there.......the only thing I couldn't master was actually feeling like I belonged there.......I worked for the Director of the Royal Commonwealth Society, and he showed me the original document which he had in his top drawer which was like the Magna Carta of the Commonwealth, old and crusty, like him......and when I first met him in my tattered threadbare clothes, he blithely told me that the room we were in (civil service) was the ante room to a bedroom of some Queen in her palace, where Tsar Nicholas had resigned......needless to say, I wasn't impressed.......it takes a lot to impress me......hehehehhee

    That's exactly what I'm talking about. In my poem this Caliban's mother is no supernatural Sycorax. She is, perhaps, an economic migrant who had followed the colonialists back to the imperial "mainland" at the end of empire after her husband had died, bringing her child with her. But for some reason undisclosed here (and for the reader to decide), she has fled back to her old country. The child has subsequently been adopted by the former colonialists and brought up in their image.

    I suppose the piece is allegorical.
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    be honest, is it you Fins?
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • ISN wrote:
    be honest, is it you Fins?

    No, far from it. I'd venture to say, exactly the opposite.
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    well, when/if I figure it out, I'll be a bit closer to understanding you - if you're the opposite of it......right now, it's a bit too much for me......I think it's like a board game where you get a limited amount of clues, and are then left to yoru own devices.......my devices are somewhat modest......as I'm in a crisis, but hopefully it will work itself out (shut up ISN)
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • ISN wrote:
    well, when/if I figure it out, I'll be a bit closer to understanding you - if you're the opposite of it......right now, it's a bit too much for me......I think it's like a board game where you get a limited amount of clues, and are then left to yoru own devices.......my devices are somewhat modest......as I'm in a crisis, but hopefully it will work itself out (shut up ISN)

    No no, I don't do autobiographical poems (unless I write about love). I didn't want to say anything for fear of swaying people's interpretations, but this poem's about a certain public figure of colonised heritage (who will remain nameless), who is making a name for himself by pretending to be a quintessential English Gentleman.
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    not that black MP whose name I can't remember? (Labour)
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • ISN wrote:
    not that black MP whose name I can't remember? (Labour)

    Nope. And I'm not going to say. ;)
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    it's okay - it's very interesting and tantalizing, and I guess that's where its power lies......as I'm sure it's a complete state of identity that could be applied to quite a few........it's very difficult to be the victim of colonial powers, and then to have the galling experience of being very proficient in their language, and finding that the terms they will accept you on keep changing......I like Australia, here, where everything is above board, but I am grateful to the conquerors for having provided me with the best means of giving them a shock.....ie. language
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • ISN wrote:
    it's okay - it's very interesting and tantalizing, and I guess that's where its power lies......as I'm sure it's a complete state of identity that could be applied to quite a few........it's very difficult to be the victim of colonial powers, and then to have the galling experience of being very proficient in their language, and finding that the terms they will accept you on keep changing......I like Australia, here, where everything is above board, but I am grateful to the conquerors for having provided me with the best means of giving them a shock.....ie. language

    "But that's all them bastards have left us: words."

    Derek Walcott, "The Schooner Flight"
  • Any suggestions? (I've tweaked things.)

    Some say he was an orphan boy, some say
    one dusk, his mother fled back home alone
    returning to her island. He would play
    the mainland children's game, affect their tone
    of loud command and keep in with their knife-
    sharp fathers: Cold, drawn blades, colonial
    administrators. Once upon a life,
    they had his island, where perennial
    dreams of never ending suns cut down
    into the soil, and stained all with blood.
    Somewhere, his father lies. He would disown
    his name for bloodshod dreams, to be the good
    sharp sword of empire, steel proud Western Man.
    He would never curse, this Caliban.
  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    Caliban sounds a little foreign war-like to me....
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

    PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    Ali wrote:
    Caliban sounds a little foreign war-like to me....
    Like taliban.....ohh ! I did not say that!
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

    PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
  • You've not heard of Caliban? I thought every aspiring actress wants to play Ariel or Miranda at some point:

    http://www.literaturepage.com/read/shakespeare-tempest-1.html
  • edeneden Posts: 407
    You've not heard of Caliban? I thought every aspiring actress wants to play Ariel or Miranda at some point:

    http://www.literaturepage.com/read/shakespeare-tempest-1.html

    What would we do without our Fin
    to keep us all culturally aware ?:)
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    and, to that, I say 'Amen'.......
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • If this thread's good for anything at all, please, those who haven't read Shakespeare's "The Tempest", do so! It will only take you a couple of hours and it will stay with you for your lifetime.
  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    You've not heard of Caliban? I thought every aspiring actress wants to play Ariel or Miranda at some point:

    http://www.literaturepage.com/read/shakespeare-tempest-1.html
    I've read by shakes:
    Richard III
    Much Ado....
    Romeo and juliet
    as you like it
    taming of the shrew
    hamlet
    macbeth
    Measure for measure
    and
    The sonnets.

    The tempest I have not conquered yet,fully.I think i read it in college-but i dont quite remember!
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

    PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
  • It was most probably written in 1611 and was the last known of Shakespeare's plays that he wrote solely by himself. (I could go into great detail about how linguistic analysis of Shakespeare's plays works, but it's late here!) There were a couple of plays written afterwards, most probably in collaboration with John Fletcher: "Cardenio" (now lost), "All Is True (Henry VIII)" and "The Two Noble Kinsmen". However, "The Tempest" shows Shakespeare at the peak of his powers and the play combines family drama with social politics, comedy with the fantastical, and it produces a discourse on colonialism that resonates powerfully today.
  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    It was most probably written in 1611 and was the last known of Shakespeare's plays that he wrote solely by himself. (I could go into great detail about how linguistic analysis of Shakespeare's plays works, but it's late here!) There were a couple of plays written afterwards, most probably in collaboration with John Fletcher: "Cardenio" (now lost), "All Is True (Henry VIII)" and "The Two Noble Kinsmen". However, "The Tempest" shows Shakespeare at the peak of his powers and the play combines family drama with social politics, comedy with the fantastical, and it produces a discourse on colonialism that resonates powerfully today.
    I'll have to raed it finns...when I get the time between job hunting and acting classes and music and keeping up on the trenton scene!!!!!(Run-on)---->
    But thank you for its' analysis!:)
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

    PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
  • Okay! Now I'm hitting the sack. I haven't stayed up typing on the Internet this late for ages. Bloody Big Brother UK finished tonight. Time to make my own entertainment again. Anyway, more of that anon.

    ;)
  • AliAli Posts: 2,621
    Okay! Now I'm hitting the sack. I haven't stayed up typing on the Internet this late for ages. Bloody Big Brother UK finished tonight. Time to make my own entertainment again. Anyway, more of that anon.

    ;)
    Have agoodnight finns...and...thanks for your knowledge.
    It must be ...what time over there?Difference from the east coast...?
    (The alcohol has fried my brain on time zones...6 hrs difference?
    A whisper and a thrill
    A whisper and a chill
    adv2005

    "Why do I bother?"
    The 11th Commandment.
    "Whatever"

    PETITION TO STOP THE BAN OF SMOKING IN BARS IN THE UNITED STATES....Anyone?
  • oldermanolderman Posts: 1,765
    his heritage was a yellow stained paper,
    the slave of war masters,
    a puppet positioned in simulated power,
    kept in place for all to fear,
    tracked by the swine of the all consuming mining machines.

    *my short take on finsbury's latest..*

    thanks fins for sharing your poems and knowledge!
    Down the street you can hear her scream youre a disgrace
    As she slams the door in his drunken face
    And now he stands outside
    And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
    He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
    What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
    Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
    And his tears fall and burn the garden green
  • olderman wrote:
    his heritage was a yellow stained paper,
    the slave of war masters,
    a puppet positioned in simulated power,
    kept in place for all to fear,
    tracked by the swine of the all consuming mining machines.

    *my short take on finsbury's latest..*

    thanks fins for sharing your poems and knowledge!

    You've got it. That's the fella. Thanks, Olderman. :)
  • edeneden Posts: 407
    *sigh* you boys and your poems... ;)
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    edit edit edit edit
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • No no, I don't do autobiographical poems (unless I write about love). I didn't want to say anything for fear of swaying people's interpretations, but this poem's about a certain public figure of colonised heritage (who will remain nameless), who is making a name for himself by pretending to be a quintessential English Gentleman.

    All poetry is autobiographical- sometimes you just have to look a little harder
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