Exercise: Fictionalizing history

FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
edited August 2005 in Poetry, Prose, Music & Art
Please read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Potato_Famine_%281845-1849%29

Research as much as you like on the topic, and please write a piece of prose, poetry or drama set historically at the time of the famine. You could write from any perspective: A starving Irish countryman, woman or child on the land; an emigrant preparing to flee to America; or an English politician or statesman. This exercise is a test of how you take historical data and shape it imaginatively.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    It's a challenging exercise, but does anyone want to give it a try? :)
  • oldermanolderman Posts: 1,765
    It's a challenging exercise, but does anyone want to give it a try? :)

    it is challenging, especially for an american in kansas.. if i am allowed to interject personal observations of poverty (i did not live in poverty, however, i did observe poverty) from my youth, i will do the research and compose a poem..

    fins is one tough professor!! :)
    Down the street you can hear her scream youre a disgrace
    As she slams the door in his drunken face
    And now he stands outside
    And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
    He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
    What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
    Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
    And his tears fall and burn the garden green
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    olderman wrote:
    it is challenging, especially for an american in kansas.. if i am allowed to interject personal observations of poverty (i did not live in poverty, however, i did observe poverty) from my youth, i will do the research and compose a poem..

    fins is one tough professor!! :)

    Well, you could write from the perspective of an Irish immigrant arrived in Kansas City during the famine!
  • ..or you could imagine a german-shepherd born into an irish sustenance without adequate landscape or shelter, and suffered to live on the bread-scraps and mouse-catchings of the family-days; but of course that would be non-sensical and anti-historical, as SirEnglishRabbit, i mean FinsburyParkCarrots, has so readily requested.

    on a side note, i had some RedBreast Irish Whiskey today in Toronto, and it was spicy-scrum-didily-umptious.. [in combo with the bloody-mary i had for breakfast on the boat-over and the Molson Red i had with lunch afterwards;)]

    sorry, sometimes i just can't help myself.. AND I"M STILL HOPING NEIL COMES OUT TO PLAY THE TORONTO SHOW!!!!!!!


    There is a town in north Ontario,
    With dream comfort memory to spare,
    And in my mind
    I still need a place to go,
    All my changes were there.

    Blue, blue windows behind the stars,
    Yellow moon on the rise,
    Big birds flying across the sky,
    Throwing shadows on our eyes.
    Leave us

    Helpless, helpless, helpless
    Baby can you hear me now?
    The chains are locked
    and tied across the door,
    Baby, sing with me somehow.

    Blue, blue windows behind the stars,
    Yellow moon on the rise,
    Big birds flying across the sky,
    Throwing shadows on our eyes.
    Leave us

    Helpless, helpless, helpless.
    i'm a thief... and a liar...

    see Ed's church?--he's breathing fire.....
  • No potatoes to eat
    I can't feed my family
    no potatoes to grow
    how did I even survive it, I dont know.
    No potatoes to sell
    gotta make a living doing something else
    no potatoes for half a decade
    think how much vodka that could have made.
    I will make the world a better place...with my own, two hands.
  • oldermanolderman Posts: 1,765
    Well, you could write from the perspective of an Irish immigrant arrived in Kansas City during the famine!

    Tom Pendergast was the son of Irish immigrants and he ran Kansas City's political machine well into the 20th Century. His influence on the U.S.A. was subsequently felt when Harry Truman became President. Truman was a cog in the Pendergast political machine which controlled K.C. during his time. Starving Irish immigrants in KC due to the famine? I'll check it out.
    Down the street you can hear her scream youre a disgrace
    As she slams the door in his drunken face
    And now he stands outside
    And all the neighbours start to gossip and drool
    He cries oh, girl you must be mad,
    What happened to the sweet love you and me had?
    Against the door he leans and starts a scene,
    And his tears fall and burn the garden green
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    SirEnglishRabbit,

    I'm Irish. Funnily enough.
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    hehehehehehe......that's funny Fins.......

    I'm Irish.....funnily enough.......

    said with just the right amount of British sarcasm

    (ps.....if I have time, I'll do this one.....no pormises)
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • I'm Irish. Funnily enough.

    nice.
    .....
    change begins with discontent.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Does anyone want to have a go at this, though?
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    Yes, Fins.....I do......I might take a gander when you've gone off......I have pretty much a free day 2moro......I think I might try it......although you know I'm not the Prose Queen.......
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Last bump for now.
  • burtschipsburtschips Posts: 734
    nothing written but maybe an idea. I would concentrate on the repossesions/ tennant problems. A tenant a landlord and a twist. Could there be a play on the economic reasons for the spate of repos in the 90s......
    Salut baloo
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    I'm bumping this - I intended to do it last night, but I got side-tracked.....I spent the whole evening in the company of a charming man in the gaelic club, and downed countless guinnesses......and didn't get back til midnight, so I might have a crack at it tonight.....instead.....be patient Fins......:) what I'm going to do, is write something by one of the people in charge in the British government......completely stolen from the book I'm reading at the moment.....
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • No potatoes to eat
    I can't feed my family
    no potatoes to grow
    how did I even survive it, I dont know.
    No potatoes to sell
    gotta make a living doing something else
    no potatoes for half a decade
    think how much vodka that could have made.

    read that again today, makes me laugh
    I will make the world a better place...with my own, two hands.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Vodka? Wrong country.
  • I believe vodka can be made from potatoes. Can it not?
    I will make the world a better place...with my own, two hands.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    I believe vodka can be made from potatoes. Can it not?

    So can projectile missiles. :cool: In Ireland in 1845-50 I think you'll find whiskey in its variant forms was the drink being made from spuds. This exercise is about researching the historical info and turning it into art. ;)
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    tchaliz wrote:
    I was nothing. Born in a waste land, child from a lesser kind. That boat took me down south for 3 long weeks. Everyday the air got warmer, and the sun could burn and tan my skin a bit more. Every night I saw the sky above change, filled with new stars I had never seen, until none of those I knew was left. Covered in red dust and sweat we were packed in pick ups at arrival and driven to the parcels of land allocated by the governement. As many others i knew nothing about cultivating land...No landlords, no farms, no church, no school, no law, no nothing but us, here and now. The "promised" land looked very much like a no man's land. But it was not. And since we were children of a lesser god, I was not surprised to see our blood flow after some years. Our blood was cheap, we were colonizers. An ugly word by today's standarts...victims with blood stained hands.

    - hem...sorry Fins, it's not about Ireland but aren't all emigrants from the same land?

    It's beautiful. Thankyou. :)
  • burtschipsburtschips Posts: 734
    So can projectile missiles. :cool: In Ireland in 1845-50 I think you'll find whiskey in its variant forms was the drink being made from spuds. This exercise is about researching the historical info and turning it into art. ;)

    I thought poteen or pocheen was the potatoe drink, 100% proof rocket fuel. Ireland did distill the first whiskey though, bushmills, I think somewhere near giants causeway in antrim. I visited the distillery, was first used by warriors to give them courage. apparently.
    Salut baloo
  • burtschipsburtschips Posts: 734
    It was time to leave their home. Their home of seven years; only two small rooms but both with windows. Mr Layden had been their friend, he was a smiler and had gestured with big steady hands asking after their health and their childrens' and their happiness. Their belongings, under a cloth sheet, now sat in a rotten cart.

    Mr Layden stood in their street, he had wanted to show himself at least and maybe say something. He did not say anything but he thought sadly and bitterly that he had no choice.

    They lifted their cart, one on each side at the front. Their children sat unsmiling on the cart, their legs hanging over the end and made it easier. They faced back toward their home and watched Mr Layden who was ashen and grew smaller.
    Salut baloo
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    Are we all here? I mean is everybody present? No sign of Reynolds yet? (Shuffling of papers and shifting of chairs). Ahem, well, as you all know we are in this room to discuss the small problem of increasing deaths due to the potato blight amongst our neighbours in Ireland. Davis, can you go and hurry Reynolds along, please. It seems that an inordinate amount of our neighbours are falling sick and starving due to the failure of their potato harvest. This is not newsworthy, as we are all aware of the problem, and I might add that the Minister for Ireland, myself and all our colleagues are extremely concerned about this debacle. That is what we are here to discuss, and I want to hear from all those present, especially Reynolds because he has a memorandum from the Minister, detailing how much to divulge to the vultures of Fleet Street (small chuckles, and Spalding fluffed his feathers, and started thinking that he might get a promotion out of this whole situation, if he handled himself well).....but I might remind you (he added, after pausing to let the admiring, mixed with nervous, laughter die down), that the consensus we reach today, must go no further than these four walls, whatever kind of response we give the Press. Reynolds rushes in, breathless, and takes a seat to the right of Spalding, who is visibly relieved. Davis enters unnoticed.

    As this is a Treasury Department meeting, you will all be privy to extremely confidential material. Davis, (who was Spalding's kind of retriever dog), please pass out the information. (Davis almost jumps out of his skin, as he had completely switched off, and starts handing out papers to the other people). Spalding continues with more authority....what you see before you is the Treasury's forecast for the next 5 years, taking into account the recent conflagration in Africa, and keeping in mind that situation is not resolved, and also taking into account how over-extended we are in India. Frankly, gentlemen, the Empire is exceedingly stretched currently, and (with all the aplomb of an elephant, he dropped this little gem to those cherry-picked civil servants present), and we have decided to maintain a light approach to the Irish situation, which frankly is their own fault. (Some grimaces met this statement, and more nervousness, but Spalding looked only at Reynolds, who had an expression of strength, which although it gave Spalding some courage, only added to the sense of rivalry with this brilliant underling of his). Reynolds, please enlighten us on the public stance that the Ministry would like to take.

    And Reynolds stepped up. The Minister for Her Majesty's Territory of the Island of Ireland, (Hibernia), announces that currently Her Majesty can offer no practical help to Her Irish subjects due to conflicting demands elsewhere in Her Majesty's territories, and has complete faith that those Irish subjects will be able to turn their fortunes around in good time.

    Spalding's mouth dropped. He'd seen the figures, thousands dying every day, and this is what the Ministry wanted to offer. He looked around the room, to see the expressions of the heads of department from different Ministries, and realised that this would be a catastrophe. His career might be over, if he ever had one. Reynolds on the other hand, was as solid as a rock, and with a twinge of envy, he realised that Reynolds had that kind of sang froid that would make him a star in the civil service. Davis, of course, was dumbfounded, as was everybody else present. They all thought that they were called to the meeting to discuss measures to alleviate the problem in Ireland, but it seemed a blind eye was the order of the day. Spalding trying to recover his composure, said 'well, that's it boys.....there you have it......no need to extend the meeting any longer, when we have the word from the top, but, please, not a word to the Press, except for the official dictum.....

    (I am completely plagiarising The Constant Gardener which I'm reading right now in tone etc......don't worry kids......I don't steal money, I only steal lines :D )
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    bump.....Finsbubble, how did we do?
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    I like the voice and the stage directions, ISN, plagiarism or no plagiarism! :)

    I want to see some more attempts at this from people! Then I'll put mine up, but not before.
  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    thanks Fins - I didn't know how I'd deal with the challenge, but then it occurred to me to copy the style in the book - I'm hopeless with prose......
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    We had nae tatties between 1845 and 1849. At ten to seven though Da would come home wearing his Guinness shoes and he would have the tatties for us.

    Da always danced funny in his Guinness shoes and he would makes us laugh by telling us that Ma looked better when he was wearing his Guinness goggles. But Ma was always quick with the tongue though and told Da that the only thing he would get tonight was a piece of her cold shoulder. We had no idea what cold shoulder was, but it sounded nice. Any food sounded nice though.

    All my friends kept going to heaven and it was because they needed some dinner. If only Ma had enough cold shoulder, then everyone would have been alright.





    p.s. written in the same time it'll take you to read it...so you don't have to tell me how pish it is.... don't phone its just for fun :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    We had nae tatties between 1845 and 1849. At ten to seven though Da would come home wearing his Guinness shoes and he would have the tatties for us.

    Da always danced funny in his Guinness shoes and he would makes us laugh by telling us that Ma looked better when he was wearing his Guinness goggles. But Ma was always quick with the tongue though and told Da that the only thing he would get tonight was a piece of her cold shoulder. We had no idea what cold shoulder was, but it sounded nice. Any food sounded nice though.

    All my friends kept going to heaven and it was because they needed some dinner. If only Ma had enough cold shoulder, then everyone would have been alright.


    p.s. written in the same time it'll take you to read it...so you don't have to tell me how pish it is.... don't phone its just for fun :)

    I must admit I laughed out loud at that one. It reminds me of a dirty story my Dad likes to tell me about the old days in Mayo, "and makin' prick holes in the bog to keep warm". :D Cheers.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    "and makin' prick holes in the bog to keep warm". :D Cheers.


    Nice!!!

    Its a shame that the typed sentence can't convey the warmth and humour of the Irish accent....
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Bumping this up. Any more takers?
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