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Noble River

Eddie_Vedder_83Eddie_Vedder_83 Posts: 281
edited August 2004 in Poetry, Prose, Music & Art
4:26 AM 08-27-04

creating a monster
swallow the bad seeds
encounter discouraging images
quasi ignore the reflex
witness endurance
fight for your life
musn't judge
nor justify
yet you laugh
and your will,
will
~It is better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not - ?~

~You laugh because I am different, I laugh because you are all the fucking same -?~

~Education is the most powerfull weapon you can use to change the world - Nelson Mandela~
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  • ISNISN Posts: 1,700
    I have no idea what the poem is about....but I love the title....Noble River.....it sounds Chinese.....(ah, yes, I know why I'm getting it mixed up with Noble House which is a crap book I read when I was a kid....something about Taipans in Hong Kong)
    ....they're asking me to prove why I should be allowed to stay with my baby in Australia, because I'm mentally ill......and they think I should leave......
  • robertthecatrobertthecat Posts: 69
    I have to agree with ISN the metaphor of the title is engaging. So, this trip along this "Noble River" doesn't seem to end in a noble place, as suggested by the images. I actually find the images really interesting. In fact, there are a lot of things about this piece that I actually really like . So, here I go again deconstructing your art (bad kitty). But I have to tell you that this is what I like about it:

    --The suggestion of the downward sprial that presents a metaphor of a river. Rivers flow downward, as all things in nature do, towards chaos.

    --The placement of the line, which appears like a current.

    --The irony that you present that is suggested by the concept of being noble and the inner battle that is going on within the subject. "... and your will,...will" Awesome line.

    I like this more and more everytime I read it. I'm guessing that this is probably intended for song lyrics. So, honestly the slight confusion expressed by ISN I think will probably be clarified in the music. I've been corresponding with some hard core musicians lately and am just discovering how much music expresses things that cannot be spoken or written. However, if you're looking to present this as a stand-alone prose, then I would suggest that to help clarify some confusion, use your beautiful imagery to take us to this starting place of the river. You have already taken us on the journey along it and it's end. But the starting place will give a reference point as to the importance of this inner battle--I think would be really cool. Is this place a noble place or a place of dissaster? My opinion is that I would think it would be cool to start with the noble decision as envisioned by the subject, since the rest of the piece provides a vision of inability to obtain that earned nobility. Make sense?
  • StarSkyStarSky Posts: 17
    This one is very good!

    I like all the symbolism and methaphors.
    "I don't need to fight to prove I'm right and I don't need to be forgiven."
  • FaolFaol Posts: 8
    I interpret it to be of a person who walks on. Absorbing everything from bad to good, but never allowing it to change his ideals, morals, his dreams. Never allows himself to change.
  • Eddie_Vedder_83Eddie_Vedder_83 Posts: 281
    Originally posted by robertthecat

    --The suggestion of the downward sprial that presents a metaphor of a river. Rivers flow downward, as all things in nature do, towards chaos.

    great analysis, thats exactly what it meant

    --The irony that you present that is suggested by the concept of being noble and the inner battle that is going on within the subject. "... and your will,...will" Awesome line.

    once again you are right, and yeah i was pretty proud of myself when i came up with the will, will line :P

    I like this more and more everytime I read it. I'm guessing that this is probably intended for song lyrics. So, honestly the slight confusion expressed by ISN I think will probably be clarified in the music. I've been corresponding with some hard core musicians lately and am just discovering how much music expresses things that cannot be spoken or written. However, if you're looking to present this as a stand-alone prose, then I would suggest that to help clarify some confusion, use your beautiful imagery to take us to this starting place of the river. You have already taken us on the journey along it and it's end. But the starting place will give a reference point as to the importance of this inner battle--I think would be really cool. Is this place a noble place or a place of dissaster? My opinion is that I would think it would be cool to start with the noble decision as envisioned by the subject, since the rest of the piece provides a vision of inability to obtain that earned nobility. Make sense?

    well yeah it is probably gonna end up in one of my songs. but if this ends up as a stand alone piece i'd wish not to clarify. i don't mind causing a little confusion. and it's only intended for people like you, who understand it without furter explanation. the title "Noble River" is set as a semi sarcastic standard for the piece itself. sarcastic meaning that it is bad in the sens of what's happening in the poem, and good because it's nature, so pure

    lastly thanks so much for your view, it means a lot to me that you went trough the trouble of deeply reviewing a simple piece of mine :)
    ~It is better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not - ?~

    ~You laugh because I am different, I laugh because you are all the fucking same -?~

    ~Education is the most powerfull weapon you can use to change the world - Nelson Mandela~
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