Life Is Art

JesusTheTerrorist

life is art
there's always the meaning
and it will always be there waiting
but what won't wait is life itself
it's a journey towards the end
at the end the meaning is clear
but it's how we get there that matters for now
live like a painting, a poem, a piece of music
for now it's not why we live, but how we live
life is art

FinsburyParkCarrots

Life might be art, but is art life?

ISN

what is art.....I like abstract art, and I think that that art is life.....it's like breathing for me to see modern art......it's like drugs......life is art, and art is life......I've always been very artless

pearlmutt

but are you artful?

like a dodger,

like full of Art.

like garfunkel.

JesusTheTerrorist

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Life might be art, but is art life?

Well, what is art? Creation... What is creation? Élan Vital, the life force...

In my opinion

FinsburyParkCarrots

Is art creation, or a representation of creation? Is art life, or a representation of life? Is art the energy of the artist, or a shadow of that energy?

JesusTheTerrorist

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Is art creation, or a representation of creation? Is art life, or a representation of life? Is art the energy of the artist, or a shadow of that energy?

In my opinion....

Everything that is created has energy, its that energy that makes good art. I mean the main thing that comes through in good art, is the energy and the talent comes next. Creation includes all things, we are creation and art is creation. We are art, our lives are art, creation is art. In my abtract work, I'm not representing my energy, my energy is flowing through and out of me into the painting, the art is life.

FinsburyParkCarrots

So as long as something is produced with energetic gusto, it's good art? So if I chucked a lot of paint at a canvas lying on my studio floor and rode my bike on it,would it be be more artistic than, say, a measured piece of artistic political commentary such as La Guernica, because there's more of 'me' in it? Might my canvas not just be sound and fury signifying nothing beyond personal 'expression'?

JesusTheTerrorist

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

So as long as something is produced with energetic gusto, it's good art? So if I chucked a lot of paint at a canvas lying on my studio floor and rode my bike on it,would it be be more artistic than, say, a measured piece of artistic political commentary such as La Guernica, because there's more of 'me' in it? Might my canvas not just be sound and fury signifying nothing beyond personal 'expression'?

Is a political statement not expression? Was is painted without energy? How could that be possible? Does the very fact that it was created not mean that it has come from life? If you threw paint on a canvas and rode your bike over it it wouldn't be more artistic. No work of art is more artistic than any other work of art. Would the work where you threw the paint on mean somethng? Would it be creation to you or would it be an attempt to produce an abstract piece simply for the sake of it?

FinsburyParkCarrots

JesusTheTerrorist wrote:

Is a political statement not expression? Was is painted without energy? How could that be possible? Does the very fact that it was created not mean that it has come from life? If you threw paint on a canvas and rode your bike over it it wouldn't be more artistic. No work of art is more artistic than any other work of art. Would the work where you threw the paint on mean somethng? Would it be creation to you or would it be an attempt to produce an abstract piece simply for the sake of it?

What it means to the artist is irrelevant. What it means to the world is what counts. I do think some works of art are more artistic than others, or rather, are more aesthetic than others. And I do think some works of art challenge dominant ideological ways of perceiving the forms of perception and self- or world- understanding, whereas other works of art merely reinforce received ideas. I thought what Ed said about not being able to put art into a competition was okay as an anti corporate point, but I think that yes, some art does stand out for its ability to change lives and ways of seeing/feeling, whereas others don't. And I'm not sure whether artistic and political power to innovate can be measured in kj.

FinsburyParkCarrots

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

And I do think some works of art challenge dominant ideological ways of perceiving the forms of perception and self- or world- understanding, whereas other works of art merely reinforce received ideas.

I rephrase,

And I do think some works of art challenge dominant ideological ways of perceiving the forms of self- or world- understanding, whereas other works of art merely reinforce received ideas.

JesusTheTerrorist

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

What it means to the artist is irrelevant. What it means to the world is what counts. I do think some works of art are more artistic than others, or rather, are more aesthetic than others. And I do think some works of art challenge dominant ideological ways of perceiving the forms of perception and self- or world- understanding, whereas other works of art merely reinforce received ideas. I thought what Ed said about not being able to put art into a competition was okay as an anti corporate point, but I think that yes, some art does stand out for its ability to change lives and ways of seeing/feeling, whereas others don't. And I'm not sure whether artistic and political power to innovate can be measured in kj.

I agree with what you say about works of art and their effects on people. I agree with what you say about art challenging perception, and merit definitelt varies when it comes to that. Hoever, I don't believe that art is only expression. I believe art is creation, and if expression comes into it then thats fine.
I don't think of art in terms of painitngs or poetry or sculpture. I think of art as a way to live, creating your surroundings, creating how you live at least as far as you can control. I also include painting and poetry as art, but I believe art is more than that.

FinsburyParkCarrots

Art is a process, for me, though I don't know if literary art is life. You can throw all the passion of your soul into a poem but it doesn't make the words on the page some sparkling essence, some mystic jizz. Ultimately words are just words and if they just represented how we perceive "life as it is", even if we said they amounted to "life as it is", we wouldn't be doing them justice because they'd lose their power to question our understanding of life. It's that distance between art and life, that tension, that disturbs and shocks us out of our spoonfed complacent impression of what our life is, means and feels like. I think to say art is life is to underestimate art's power to know things about life we with all our energy couldn't consiously express ourselves: art is a beautiful accident.

FinsburyParkCarrots

edit, typing fast: 'consciously'.

pearlmutt

Red Grooms
if I could write like he
arted
I'd be Bob Dylan's
Girlfriend's muse
(I think)

I just went to the Hirshorn today. If I could spell that correctly I'd be a good anti-einstein. There was a red grooms of his apartment with all his pals (imagined or not) in it. His stuff is so freaking cool. I love Red Grooms!! And Art And Life