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Evacuation Rules

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

People who complain about the quality of the mixing and/or mastering and STILL continue buy a bunch of boots on a physical CD (i.e. JWBusher) are complete fools.

I'm not allowed to complain about something I bought? That makes a lot of sense. Get off your high horse. I never said I regretted buying them. I was just talking about how spotty the performances are. Am I not allowed to do that?

slightofjeff wrote:

Why did you buy all the bootlegs of a band you obviously hate?

Because I don't like the 2008 performances, that means that I "hate" Pearl Jam? Whatever, fanboy.

LeatherMosquitoMan

Wow. Another thread.

Search feature must be broken.

Zoso

All i can say is that the boots sound fine to me, the band sound as good as ever in my opinion and my god they were good shows (well the 4 i went to anyway) in 2008...

Edwardlizardhands

I think the two shows that stand out to me in this collection both in sound & in band intensity are MSG1 & Hartford. I was at MSG1 & 2 and I must say that I think MSG1 was the tightest I've ever seen the band. Just my 2 cents.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

slightofjeff wrote:

I actually think the "ed hammered" thing is a bit overrated. Half the time he's drinking gatorade out of those wine bottles.

I think what people are attributing to ed "slurring words" (I have three boots and don't know what the hell some of these people are talking about) is just Ed being a 43-year-old man trying to sing songs he wrote when he was 25. He's out of breath.

either he's drunk or suffering from Alzeimer's. at WPB he forgot the lyrics to Alive. ALIVE!!! how is that possible? hehehe.

but whatever he could mumble through songs all day and i wouldnt care.

bootlegger10

JWBusher wrote:

I'm not allowed to complain about something I bought? That makes a lot of sense. Get off your high horse. I never said I regretted buying them. I was just talking about how spotty the performances are. Am I not allowed to do that?



Because I don't like the 2008 performances, that means that I "hate" Pearl Jam? Whatever, fanboy.

I think he means you hate Pearl Jam because you are about the only person who didn't like the 2008 performances. That should tell you something.

Who the fuck buys a Pearl Jam CD only to get pissed off? You had issues before you started listening to the shows.

Ledbetterman10

JWBusher wrote:

I'm not allowed to complain about something I bought? That makes a lot of sense. Get off your high horse. I never said I regretted buying them. I was just talking about how spotty the performances are. Am I not allowed to do that?

yes you are allowed to complain. and my horse isn't high, he's drug free. but the thing is that you seem to be a rather knowledgeable audiophile, so I try to respect your criticisms of the bootlegs. but it's one thing to be a critic, it's another to be a fucking crybaby. Every thread about the 2008 bootlegs contains post(s) by you bitching and moaning like a little kid.

SuzieM

Finally listening to my MSG1 boot... IT'S FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's alls I got.

ozarkcoolchic

SuzieM wrote:

Finally listening to my MSG1 boot... IT'S FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's alls I got.

This is the only boot that I've purchased so far and I have to agree with you......IT'S FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!

slightofjeff

JWBusher wrote:

Because I don't like the 2008 performances, that means that I "hate" Pearl Jam? Whatever, fanboy.

I'm basing my opinion on more than just your responses in this thread.

I understand the "I'm-such-a-curmudegeon, I-hate-everything, I'm-cooler-than-everybody" thing is your message board schtick, and you think it makes you interesting, but it doesn't. It makes you Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons. And nobody likes that guy.

Did your mommy not hug you enough as a child or something?

prince119

I didn't see any shows this time around.
I have purchased the Roo boot.
I have yet to receive said boot.
Upon receiving said boot, I will make my own determination of how I like the sound quality.
I will then decided to purchase more boots from this tour, or shelve the one I have bought like countless other CDs I own and listened to once.
I will then continue to support the band I love in any way I can.


That being said........I am a little over the "I was at the show so it MUST sound good" argument.

I have been to a bunch of shows and a handful of them were not very good. Like someone else said, they are not robots.

Listen with unbiased ears! Being at the show is a hell of alot different than hearing it on CD.

cheeseandrice

The band is not PERFECT guys. That being said, we're allowed to complain about it.

Just because you criticize or critique the band, doesn't make you less of a fan. Those who usually can pick out the mistakes, are usually the one's who love them the most.

West Palm - most of the songs sucked and Ed WAS out of breath.

Bonnaroo- at first, had nothing else to compare to in 2008 (1st one received)- listened 3-4 times- it's ok

Camden- ROCKS!

Doesn't make someone a cry baby because they dislike a boot or the way that particular performance went. If we all liked the same music, life would be boring.

ballgame

what are you guys talking about with the quality? I think they are the same as every other tour

This boardi s a bunch of complainers

Let me tell you guys something. The people that record these shows only get the way the PEAL JAMs sound man does the show. When you're a show all the parts go in and out. All these pople are doing is recording whats being put out

But I really have no idea what you guys are complaining about with the quality


AND USE THE SEARCH BUTTON. How many threads do we need of this?

ballgame

cheeseandrice wrote:

Doesn't make someone a cry baby because they dislike a boot or the way that particular performance went.

I disagree when there are 100s of threads like this. Everyone is making their own thread about the same thing. I think they sound fine. For the life of me I cant figure this one out, the 2000 boots are worse

slightofjeff wrote:

I'm basing my opinion on more than just your responses in this thread.

I understand the "I'm-such-a-curmudegeon, I-hate-everything, I'm-cooler-than-everybody" thing is your message board schtick, and you think it makes you interesting, but it doesn't. It makes you Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons. And nobody likes that guy.

Did your mommy not hug you enough as a child or something?

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Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Jesus Christ. okay, these 2008 bootlegs aren't as good as previous tours. anyone who has any sort of ear for music can tell that. But the fact remains, if you want them for FREE, then you can have them for FREE. People who complain about the quality of the mixing and/or mastering and STILL continue buy a bunch of boots on a physical CD (i.e. JWBusher) are complete fools.

If you don't think the boots are good but still want your concert memento or want to hear a specific song from a show, these boots have been all over the 'net on blogs waiting to be downloaded for free for weeks now. If you don't want to go look for them, wait a few months until they're allowed in a download thread here on the message board. But don't act like you're being ripped off when you pay $16 for it if the quality isn't up to your standards...because you all know you don't have to pay for them.

+1
Well said

Evacuation Rules

How much crack would I have to smoke to think the 2000 boots don't sound good, or as good as the 2008 boots?

Ledbetterman10

ballgame wrote:

the 2000 boots are worse

You have to be saying this just to get under JWBushleaguer's skin because you can't really mean it. Those 2000 boots were, I think, really a landmark in live concert recording. And those boots were mixed PERFECTLY for Pearl Jam's sound.

One noteworthy flaw in the 2000 boots is that the volume of the European leg is very low. Not that it was too difficult to simply turn the volume up. but the US leg of the 2000 tour is as close to perfect as it could be.

The 2000 bootlegs were mixed by Brett Eliason, master of all things live Pearl Jam. and he had a good amount of time to work on them. these 2008 boots were mixed days after each show by people who didn't know how to record/engineer a live PJ show.....and it shows.

Staceb10

We are some of the whiniest bitchiest fans ever. I think the guys were really good on this tour and they rocked the who special on VH1..

Its like we expect 100% grade A Pearl Jam music 100% of the time. Do you do your job 100% of the time? They get tired just like we do. I think this tour has been fun for them and is getting them ready for some good shit with the new album.

Milestone

JWBusher wrote:

I was gonna put together a "tour best of" and I gave up after I had to eliminate so many good songs. Every show is loaded with mistakes.

They play 25-30 songs per night, changing the setlist nightly. Of course there's going to be mistakes. Frankly, I like hearing the mistakes. It reminds me they are human.

The funny thing is that the 2005 Gorge show that so many people hold so dearly to their hearts probably holds the record for mistakes.

Milestone

tvismyfriend wrote:

I like the loud bass, it's a nice change to actually hear Jeff clearly.

Agreed. This 2008 round of bootlegs has Jeff turned up....and it's about time.

rival420

So far I have listened to Hartford and Mansfield 1, and I think they sound pretty damn good. I have listened to a couple of the audience recordings out there, and these are well worth the $16 I paid!

I know in both Hartford and Mansfield 1, they did have quite a few instrument problems. So that may be reflected as the band being off? Ed did forget a few lines during Once in Mansfield 1 and during RITFW in Mansfield 2, and that could be because he was drunk. Overall I thought as a whole the band sounded better than they have in years, and I think these bootlegs sound really good.. So I can't figure out why there are so many complaints?