OK Computer

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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Everyone here is missing the point. Appreciation of music is subjective but the music itself is not. It's fine to prefer The Bends to OK Computer but it is objectively NOT a better album.

    This fact is supplied to you for free with my kind regards.

    kthxbai.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • The Long Road
    The Long Road Posts: 183
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Everyone here is missing the point. Appreciation of music is subjective but the music itself is not. It's fine to prefer The Bends to OK Computer but it is objectively NOT a better album.

    This fact is supplied to you for free with my kind regards.

    kthxbai.


    I couldn't have said it any better myself. Just beware of the "you're an arrogant ass" posts. Don't listen to them because you are 100% correct on your assesment.
    "All the rusted signs we ignore throughout our lives"--Ed
  • Todd76
    Todd76 Posts: 1,469
    TallGuyCM wrote:
    OK Computer's amazing, don't get me wrong, but it has one critical flaw IMO - "Climbing Up The Walls". By far my least favorite song in Radiohead's entire catalog. The inclusion of that one song on the album is what puts The Bends higher up in my book.

    WHAT!?!?!? Climbing up the Walls is my favorite song on the album.....to each their own I suppose
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    The Long Road wrote:
    I couldn't have said it any better myself. Just beware of the "you're an arrogant ass" posts. Don't listen to them because you are 100% correct on your assesment.
    Oh I don't care if anyone says I'm an arrogant ass, there's no arrogance involved, it's not like I'm a rabid Radiohead fan who thinks OK Computer is the best album ever, I've no vested interest in this, I just think it should be clarified that OK Computer IS definitely a better album :)

    One guy: "Nah nah, music is subjective, the last Kid Rock album is better than Mozart's Requiem, it is because I prefer it!"

    another guy: "Here's a wacky idea chief, maybe Kid Rock is just more to your taste, he's not better than Mozart, if you think that then I hear they have a cell waiting in Broadmoor for you".
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    Yeah, people are going to prefer the more mainstream generic rock of The Bends, but OK Computer stands alone as a true masterpiece of our times.....


    Like Jeremy1012 already stated, it simply is a better album.....it's richer in ideas, it flows as an album.....
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  • jasonw
    jasonw Posts: 435
    The Long Road wrote:
    I couldn't have said it any better myself. Just beware of the "you're an arrogant ass" posts. Don't listen to them because you are 100% correct on your assesment.


    Nah, he wasn't arrogant because he didn't assume to know why people prefer one album over another. You told people why they like an album and gave two insulting reasons.

    And by the way OK Computer gets more play at my house than The Bends.
  • jasonw
    jasonw Posts: 435
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Oh I don't care if anyone says I'm an arrogant ass, there's no arrogance involved, it's not like I'm a rabid Radiohead fan who thinks OK Computer is the best album ever, I've no vested interest in this, I just think it should be clarified that OK Computer IS definitely a better album :)

    One guy: "Nah nah, music is subjective, the last Kid Rock album is better than Mozart's Requiem, it is because I prefer it!"

    another guy: "Here's a wacky idea chief, maybe Kid Rock is just more to your taste, he's not better than Mozart, if you think that then I hear they have a cell waiting in Broadmoor for you".

    Let's calm down with the absurd examples.
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    jasonw wrote:
    Let's calm down with the absurd examples.
    Why? It might be an exaggeration but it's an extension of the same ideal. Why if some music can be objectively appraised as being superior (ie Mozart over Kid Rock) can we not also appraise other music in the same way? It's neither here nor there to me if someone prefers The Bends but OK Computer is a richer artistic creation than The Bends, people can tell me that's just my opinion if they want, I'll disagree and tell them it's a fact, in just the same way as Mozart's Requiem is a better piece of music than All Summer Long, even though I know a guy who would much prefer the latter. There's nothing wrong with that, he's just more fond of the inferior work.

    If a person said they thought Pablo Honey was a BETTER album than OK Computer (not that they prefer it mind, that's ok too, although a little odd in my opinion), any sentient being with an ear for good music would laugh at them. I don't see why the line should therefore be blurred between two albums that are critically praised and fan-favourites like OK Computer and the Bends. It should still be possible to say which is the better album without earnest fans pulling out the subjectivity card.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • jasonw
    jasonw Posts: 435
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Why? It might be an exaggeration but it's an extension of the same ideal. Why if some music can be objectively appraised as being superior (ie Mozart over Kid Rock) can we not also appraise other music in the same way? It's neither here nor there to me if someone prefers The Bends but OK Computer is a richer artistic creation than The Bends, people can tell me that's just my opinion if they want, I'll disagree and tell them it's a fact, in just the same way as Mozart's Requiem is a better piece of music than All Summer Long, even though I know a guy who would much prefer the latter. There's nothing wrong with that, he's just more fond of the inferior work.

    If a person said they thought Pablo Honey was a BETTER album than OK Computer (not that they prefer it mind, that's ok too, although a little odd in my opinion), any sentient being with an ear for good music would laugh at them. I don't see why the line should therefore be blurred between two albums that are critically praised and fan-favourites like OK Computer and the Bends. It should still be possible to say which is the better album without earnest fans pulling out the subjectivity card.

    It's just such an exaggeration. I really just don't think the gap between ok and the bends is that big. And to bring Mozart into the conversation, you can't Mozart to any modern rock album that will be forgotten by the next generation.
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    release30 wrote:
    Great album The Bends is better....

    This

    OK Computer is Radiohead's masterpiece, and it deserves the title, but guitar based alternative rock doesnt get any better than The Bends. Nothing on there is more generic than Karma Police, Airbag, or Paranoid Android.
  • Back_Pedal
    Back_Pedal Posts: 1,171
    I've just picked up In Rainbows since I loved OKC so much, liking that a lot too.
    Thanks EPOTTSIII!
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    DewieCox wrote:
    This

    OK Computer is Radiohead's masterpiece, and it deserves the title, but guitar based alternative rock doesnt get any better than The Bends. Nothing on there is more generic than Karma Police, Airbag, or Paranoid Android.
    I had no issue with this post until you made your edit. Now...

    Wow :o
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    DewieCox wrote:
    Nothing on there is more generic than Karma Police, Airbag, or Paranoid Android.


    Correction - there is nothing on The Bends that can touch Paranoid Android...
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  • r1vers
    r1vers Posts: 244
    hahaha omg fools.

    climbing up the walls is the worst track on ok computer? die.
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    ehhhhh...it's ok :p
  • The Long Road
    The Long Road Posts: 183
    DewieCox wrote:
    This

    OK Computer is Radiohead's masterpiece, and it deserves the title, but guitar based alternative rock doesnt get any better than The Bends. Nothing on there is more generic than Karma Police, Airbag, or Paranoid Android.

    Played out? Maybe. Generic? You are out of your mind. Especially Android (which by the way is my bathroom break song). It's the anti-generic anthem of the 90's.
    "All the rusted signs we ignore throughout our lives"--Ed
  • The Long Road
    The Long Road Posts: 183
    jasonw wrote:
    Nah, he wasn't arrogant because he didn't assume to know why people prefer one album over another. You told people why they like an album and gave two insulting reasons.

    And by the way OK Computer gets more play at my house than The Bends.


    Well here's another insulting reason: You still like Guns n' Roses. Music Subjectivity 101, Rule #35 states "No person shall comment on the masterpiece OK Computer if they are a fan of Axl Rose".
    "All the rusted signs we ignore throughout our lives"--Ed
  • prytocorduroy
    prytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    I have to say The Bends is better than OK Computer after just listening to the two. And if memory serves, I enjoy Kid A much more than OK also.

    I have this argument with my best friend all the fucking time. He always says the depth and songwriting is beautiful and superior on OK. He brings up flow also, but I will not give him that. All three (The Bends-Kid A) flow seamlessly. I think the instrumentation and arrangments are much more interesting and pleasing on The Bends. OK is pretty depressing at times ;)


    I will say that Paranoid Android is better than most of The Bends. That doesn't give OK the win by default in the slightest though.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    freaking amazing.


    ...that's all.
  • jasonw
    jasonw Posts: 435
    The Long Road wrote:
    Well here's another insulting reason: You still like Guns n' Roses. Music Subjectivity 101, Rule #35 states "No person shall comment on the masterpiece OK Computer if they are a fan of Axl Rose".


    When did I ever say that I still like Guns n' Roses? I haven't even heard Chinese Democracy...

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