Who honestly gives a shit about technical skill? Joe Satriani may be a great technical guitar player, but when he plays something that actually reaches and touches my soul, I'll give a shit about him.
Of course people will make a discussion out of it, and everyone has different criteria for what makes a great guitar player. But as far as I am concerned, the question begins and ends with Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn. There is not another rock guitarist who is in the same ballpark.
Satriani without a doubt touches my soul...you just don't know a lot of his stuff.
Try his self-titled, bluesy album. It's intense.
such a typical appraisal from that kind of musician's fans. Perhaps he just doesn't feel anything from Satriani. I've heard a shit load of Satch. I certainly know a lot of his stuff. I don't rate him much at all, as an artist. I don't even rate him amongst the shredder types. He's a very technically able musician. He just doesn't make music that speaks to me.
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^^ You make a valid point in that Clapton has been fairly boring for some years now, but I am of the opinion that he is still absolutely capable of turning out blistering solos...he just chooses not to
all this talk of Satriani, im suprised nobody has mentioned Eric Johnson
Thanks, that about covers it. I love the assumpions people on this board make. Whenever you don't react to something in the same way they do, they assume you haven't listened to enough of it.
In terms of living guitarists, the ones that speak to me most are Mike McCready, Lindsey Buckingham (horribly, horrible underrated), Nels Cline, David Gilmour, and Mike Einziger.
Here's the second greatest guitarist of all time, in my view. One note from this man wipes out whole universes of shredders. This, my friends, is tone:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSZHT2XvoLM
I think the issue is more that Satch is lumped in as a "shredder" along with Vai, Malmsteen, Petrucci et all. Joe isn't as technically proficient as any of these or similar guitarists and writes songs with meaning. They aren't endless runs of fast notes, they mean something. For me he isn't really comparable to any other guitarists; no other instrumental artists can affect me the way Satch can and that makes him unique. I hate for him to be stereotyped.
Actually I think it is a perfectly valid response w/ regards to Satriani. Most people think of him as still stuck in the "Surfing With The Alien" pure shred stuff. He has a ton of really good albums since then, most are very well done and not as flashy. He makes really good music but, in my experience, MANY people just write him off as soulless and gimmicky. I'm saying that a lot of other guitarists are that way, but not him. I find a lot of people group him in with the shred/solo guitarist genre, but the man has soul more than most people know.
"You haven't heard much" is a valid response. How many times have people told you they loved PJ when Ten came out but that everything after sucks...when really all they know is Daughter and Betterman? Without knowing you, I am only assuming you do not know a lot of his music. I may be wrong, but with MOST people that is the case.
Give these an honest listen:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFS9NBztaXw
Down, Down, Down (from my favorite album)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2fExyjlG7Q
Cool #9 (from the same album)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vVRaAtKQAE
Chords Of Life
SRV comes close, there's a host of others though... Pat Metheny, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, BB King, Paco De Luca etc etc
Any fool who doesn't agree that Jimi is clearly the best is... well.. a fool!
SRV comes close, there's a host of others though... Pat Metheny, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, BB King, Paco De Luca etc etc, you could go on forever and ever but in terms of playing the blues, playing rock, playing rhtyhm, playing lead, improvisation, innovation with effects, the artisitic and musical use of noise and feedback etc etc Jimi wins hands down on all those accounts. No one else comes close.
To argue that Jimi is overrated or to say he is clearly the best is a cliche is a very silly argument.
"hi, i'm jimi hendrix, i can play novice blues songs through a wah peddle. call me the greatest ever"
"hi, i'm john frusciante. i take the less-is-more approach because i am too inferior to even play more than i do"
"hi, i'm stevie ray vaughn. i graduated from the jimi hendrix school of guitar playing. when i bend one note for 87 seconds, people think i have soul"
in case you haven't figured it out, i think every one of these guys is a fucking joke.
Vai does the "slow, meaningful" songs just as well as Satriani does. They're both very talented guitarists. Thing is, this thing that their fans say about them doing slow, meaningful songs is not really a strong argument as to why they are a cut above the other shredders. The slower songs are generally over-produced cheesefests that are the lead guitar equivalent of a Michael Bolton ballad.
Where's the fucking danger in this music?
Call me crazy but I don't remember mentioning the word "slow" in any of my posts. Flying In A Blue Dream and Made Of Tears are two of my favourite Satch songs because they convey such emotion. Neither are slow, they are both uptempo with a driving rhythm. Satch has evolved with the times, as has Vai to an extent. If you think the old stuff is too cheesy just listen to the new stuff; the majority of it is very contemporary.