Mainstream Rock is turning into Rap.

12345AGNST1

Everytime I hear a new song from Nickelback, Saliva, Chevelle, all of those terrible bands I get so fucking annoyed. ALL of these bands sound COMPLETELY identical. It's like their producers make them have this same sound as everyone else. The guitar riffs, guitar solos, the guitar tone, drum sound, drumming, bass, song structure, vocals, lyrics all sounds exactly the same. There is NOTHING unique with any of these current bands. I am seriously convinced that their record companies do not let them have their own style. The quality is just getting worse and worse. Pretty soon rock bands won't even be playing their instruments on stage.


(PS: I am only talking about these new "alternative" bands)

Jeremy1012

What does any of that have to do with rap?

Gonzo1977

Jeremy1012 wrote:

What does any of that have to do with rap?

I think he's refering to how commercial rap music faces much of the same problem.

spat

12345AGNST1 wrote:

Pretty soon rock bands won't even be playing their instruments on stage.

i hear that. pretty soon bands will be on stage playing guitar hero and rock band and passing it off as talent

pearljam0000

I kind of like Chevelle.

direwolf74

12345AGNST1 wrote:

Everytime I hear a new song from Nickelback, Saliva, Chevelle, all of those terrible bands I get so fucking annoyed. ALL of these bands sound COMPLETELY identical. It's like their producers make them have this same sound as everyone else. The guitar riffs, guitar solos, the guitar tone, drum sound, drumming, bass, song structure, vocals, lyrics all sounds exactly the same. There is NOTHING unique with any of these current bands. I am seriously convinced that their record companies do not let them have their own style. The quality is just getting worse and worse. Pretty soon rock bands won't even be playing their instruments on stage.


(PS: I am only talking about these new "alternative" bands)

And you're just discovering this now? This has been happening to mainstream rock music ever since Cobain blew his head off in '94. It's nothing new. I probably couldn't even tell you what some of these bands sound like, because I haven't listened to mainstream radio in probably 7 or 8 years. There are hundreds of great bands out there with original sounds, playing their own instruments and writing their own songs without record company interference. And they all rock harder than anything you'll hear on the radio. It's out there. Ya just gotta do a little digging.

Igottago

So don't listen to it. Easy solution. I stopped paying attention to "the mainstream" years ago.

Gonzo1977

Igottago wrote:

So don't listen to it. Easy solution. I stopped paying attention to "the mainstream" years ago.

I agree with what your saying...totally agree.

But on that same token...

Don't you find it a little bit disheartning that "Mainstream" still remains a bad word?

Don't you find it fustrating that an overwhelming majority of mainstream music is inherently made up of music that is neither artisically credible or challenging?

Is is fair to assume that the majority of people on this earth are un-cultured consumptive zombies who like their art easily digestable and void of engaging content or challenge?

What does this say about our culture and where it is heading?

Obviously...I've long since given up on mainstream media to provide anything remotely engaging or Intellectually and artistically satisfying.

But that doesn't mean that I'm going to sit back and be happy about it.

I personally think on a larger scale that this is evidence how the human race as a whole has completly lost the plot.

I feel it is evidence that our society has grown stagnent and stunted in regards to our development and furthering of intellegence and progression as a culture.

And it's on a much deeper level than simply being pissed off because my favorite bands aren't getting the recognition I feel they rightfully deserve.

It's a real bummer.

The Juggler

dont listen to that garbage. getting sirius has been the best thing that has happened to me, musically since i first discovered pearl jam. the only regular radio i listen to is the occasional sports talk in my town. i would off myself if i were forced to listen to that garbage you mentioned in the original post.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

Gonzo1977 wrote:

Is is fair to assume that the majority of people on this earth are un-cultured consumptive zombies who like their art easily digestable and void of engaging content or challenge?

hmmm, I think it's unfair to make the assumption that since someone likes a certain type of music, that person is an un-cultured zombie. Not everyone looks at music like you do, that's all. Not everyone listens to music with an artist's ear...many people just listen because it sounds good, or it has a good beat, or it makes them laugh, or something simple like that....they don't look deeply into it. But that doesn't mean they're shallow zombies...it just means they don't find much meaning in music...they may find it in paintings or novels or other art forms.

I think people in general are still growing just fine. The things we all discuss nowadays are on a much higher level intellectually than what our parents would talk about. We are still progressing...popular music doesn't really play a role in it. It's not like we made any giant leaps when popular music and artistically-sound music were somewhat in-line with each other.

And to flip it, I've met plenty of people who like artistically-sound music who I'd describe as completely uncultured and zombie-like.

direwolf74

Gonzo1977 wrote:

Is is fair to assume that the majority of people on this earth are un-cultured consumptive zombies who like their art easily digestable and void of engaging content or challenge?

What does this say about our culture and where it is heading?

I personally think on a larger scale that this is evidence how the human race as a whole has completly lost the plot.

I feel it is evidence that our society has grown stagnent and stunted in regards to our development and furthering of intellegence and progression as a culture.

You just hit the nail on the head, my friend. My sentiments exactly! It's the same reason why crap movies like High School Musical 3 and Beverly Hills Chihuahua were #1 at the box office when they were released. We're constantly told by the mainstream media what to eat, what to like, what's cool, what's not cool, etc... It's our choice whether or not to listen to that shit and follow it like sheep. Sadly the majority of people, especially North Americans, are incredibly lazy and prefer to have their culture spoon-fed to them by TV and the media.

HatredThrownDown

chevelle is great

Jearlpam0925

This is simple - just stop listening to mainstream shit. Complete shit.

12345AGNST1

Gonzo1977 wrote:

I agree with what your saying...totally agree.

But on that same token...

Don't you find it a little bit disheartning that "Mainstream" still remains a bad word?

Don't you find it fustrating that an overwhelming majority of mainstream music is inherently made up of music that is neither artisically credible or challenging?

Is is fair to assume that the majority of people on this earth are un-cultured consumptive zombies who like their art easily digestable and void of engaging content or challenge?

What does this say about our culture and where it is heading?

Obviously...I've long since given up on mainstream media to provide anything remotely engaging or Intellectually and artistically satisfying.

But that doesn't mean that I'm going to sit back and be happy about it.

I personally think on a larger scale that this is evidence how the human race as a whole has completly lost the plot.

I feel it is evidence that our society has grown stagnent and stunted in regards to our development and furthering of intellegence and progression as a culture.

And it's on a much deeper level than simply being pissed off because my favorite bands aren't getting the recognition I feel they rightfully deserve.

It's a real bummer.

That is exactly how I feel. People's general taste in music is just getting worse and worse. Pretty soon I think this world is going to be filled with morons with the attention span of a fish with all of this terrible music and tv. Have you ever seen Idiocracy?

And I have always knew that mainstream sucks, it has just been bothering me more lately. I have dug up and looked around for new music, of course there is still plenty of great music around. Its just a SHAME that those bands arent the ones becoming more famous.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

Nickelback's writing style (if they have one) sounds more like modern shit country. their lyrics are like shitty rock versions of shitty popcountry lyrics.

direwolf74

12345AGNST1 wrote:

That is exactly how I feel. People's general taste in music is just getting worse and worse. Pretty soon I think this world is going to be filled with morons with the attention span of a fish with all of this terrible music and tv. Have you ever seen Idiocracy?.

That movie is brilliant. And sadly it's a pretty good indication of where we're headed as a culture.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

Gonzo1977 wrote:

I agree with what your saying...totally agree.

But on that same token...

Don't you find it a little bit disheartning that "Mainstream" still remains a bad word?

Don't you find it fustrating that an overwhelming majority of mainstream music is inherently made up of music that is neither artisically credible or challenging?

Is is fair to assume that the majority of people on this earth are un-cultured consumptive zombies who like their art easily digestable and void of engaging content or challenge?

What does this say about our culture and where it is heading?

Obviously...I've long since given up on mainstream media to provide anything remotely engaging or Intellectually and artistically satisfying.

But that doesn't mean that I'm going to sit back and be happy about it.

I personally think on a larger scale that this is evidence how the human race as a whole has completly lost the plot.

I feel it is evidence that our society has grown stagnent and stunted in regards to our development and furthering of intellegence and progression as a culture.

And it's on a much deeper level than simply being pissed off because my favorite bands aren't getting the recognition I feel they rightfully deserve.

It's a real bummer.

with a few temporary exceptions, its always been that way. its not anything new.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

MrSmith wrote:

with a few temporary exceptions, its always been that way. its not anything new.

I agree. Popular music doesn't really say anything about where the culture in general is headed. I think it only seems that way to people who have a deep, serious connection with music...it's such a large part of their spirituality that they assume it's like that for everyone...or that it SHOULD be like that for everyone.

Dismantle The Sun

Mainstream is to keep the advertisers happy.
Nothing has to be too complicated for them - and that includes film or music.
Mainstream music is written to a set format of 3 and a half minutes long with 2 verses, 2 choruses, and an instrumental bridge.

'Music for the masses is for asses' as a well known philosopher once said.

Cropduster84

Just listen to whatever you want.....

Dismantle The Sun

Cropduster84 wrote:

Just listen to whatever you want.....

Shhhhhh don't tell the advertisers. That's a secret between you, me, the lampost and the Pearl Jam board.

Thecure

direwolf74 wrote:

You just hit the nail on the head, my friend. My sentiments exactly! It's the same reason why crap movies like High School Musical 3 and Beverly Hills Chihuahua were #1 at the box office when they were released. We're constantly told by the mainstream media what to eat, what to like, what's cool, what's not cool, etc... It's our choice whether or not to listen to that shit and follow it like sheep. Sadly the majority of people, especially North Americans, are incredibly lazy and prefer to have their culture spoon-fed to them by TV and the media.

1st off High School Musical is for kids and i wen to see it because my neice wanted to see it and i am not going to give her crap for liking what she wants. sorry for being a sheep:)

every generation always says the same shit. i have freinds in their 50's who laugh about music from the 90's and call it shit.

in reality it is our generation of downloading that has ruined mainstream music. companies are not going to waste their money on stuff that we will steal.

Thecure

Dismantle The Sun wrote:

Mainstream is to keep the advertisers happy.
Nothing has to be too complicated for them - and that includes film or music.
Mainstream music is written to a set format of 3 and a half minutes long with 2 verses, 2 choruses, and an instrumental bridge.

'Music for the masses is for asses' as a well known philosopher once said.

just remember that pearl Jam, Nirvana were all mainstream

angryyoungman

if you live in the new york area wrxp 101.9 is a great station. . .they came on a few months ago and have been almost the only station i listen to since. . .with a little krock mixed in

Cropduster84

Dismantle The Sun wrote:

Shhhhhh don't tell the advertisers. That's a secret between you, me, the lampost and the Pearl Jam board.

I like it


It's true though, there's so much good music out there.....

Lanegan7

Thecure wrote:

just remember that pearl Jam, Nirvana were all mainstream

Difference is that they were part of a new sound, an innovation in music. Then unfortunatley they spawned a bunch of crappy rip-off bands, much on which we still hear today.

KingofFunk412

Music is not really a big part of most people's lives, so why blame them for listening to what the industry is handing to them? Mainstream music is easily accessible to most people. They aren't going to dig deep for what is considered to be "good" music by our standards. They would if they were really into music and stuff, but most mainstream listeners aren't crazy music fans like us lol. I used to listen to a lot of it when I was a kid, and liked it. Then when I really got into music, I "broke the music wall" or whatever, and now looking back on it, I think it's crap.

But then again, all music sounds the same if you only hear it once or if you don't really listen to the genre. I bet if you took a nickelback album and listened to it enough like any other album you'd be able to tell the songs apart. Don't deny me because you don't like nickelback, because it's true.

Anon

get a 30GB iPod and fill it. there's your new radio station. that's what i do and i love it.

there's a lot of good music out there... just not on the radio. i'd rather listen to the sound of a diesel truck engine than mainstream radio.

direwolf74

Thecure wrote:

1st off High School Musical is for kids and i wen to see it because my neice wanted to see it and i am not going to give her crap for liking what she wants. sorry for being a sheep:).

True, it's for kids. But there's crappy kids fare and there's good kids fare. The two movies I mentioned are brainless piles of crap that talk down to children and insult their intelligence. Kids are smart and they deserve better. A movie like "Wall-E" on the other hand, now there's an intelligent family movie. I think Kids need more stuff like that, and less garbage like Hannah Montana. Just my opinion of course. I didn't mean any offense.

McCreadyFan

I stopped listening to the radio a couple of years ago because horrible genres like nu metal and emo. So do what i do, get an 80 gb ipod or whatever mp3 player, and fill it up with pearl jam and other badass music and just hit shuffle, or make some playlists.

(btw, i haven't heard a decent guitar solo in a LONG time)

AllEncompassingTrip

It's completely ridiculous to have any conversation about mainstream on an internet message board.. For cryin out loud, if you are on here, then you have access to the internet! There are tons and tons and tons of musicians music on the web, that is not mainstream.. You have the damn key to unlock the door to all sorts of non-radio / non-major label music.. Whether it's Pure Volume, Last FM, Myspace, whatever.. there are tons of options to explore music without even paying for it! It's not like you have to take chances at the record store on buying something you are not familiar with, like those days before the internet.. You can preview the bands today! Now quit yer bitchin about the radio and go find some killer new band that none of us have ever heard of.. Just remember to come back here and tell us about them