Billy Corgan--still a wanker after all these years

dharma69

I don't mean to be rude (honestly) but what part of "that's fine" and "but that's just me" don't you understand?

It's not your job to sway me or to change my opinion or to make me "see the light" about this or anything else and at the end of the day neither my nor your opinions on this matter are really that important other than to ourselves.

facepollution

dharma69 wrote:

Quit whining about the irrelevant and make your damned music. Times change; move on or get left behind.

But that's just me.

If you had read the whole piece, he was talking about making music and his ideas for releasing it. He wasn't whining so much as slagging off the record industry.

stargirl69

I agree with the point he is making.
But he is still full of his old self importance.
I liked Sharon Osbornes description of him as "a baldy twat in a dress".

otis mcfluster

hailhail82 wrote:

He's not dissing Radiohead, friends. He's saying all the emphasis fans and the media are putting on them is their marketing ideas rather than the music. And he's spot on. You're much more likely to read about Radiohead's download of the last album than the actual album itself.
It's true.

I think he was doing both. He is being both critical of the media/fans and Radiohead themselves.

The only reason you were much more likely to read about the pay what you want release of In Rainbows is because it was groundbreaking and crossed multiple industry interests. Thus a larger variety of industry focused media outlets were likely to cover it; e.g. business, economics, entertainment, celebrity, music/recording industry, investment, technology, etc.

Corgan clearly critiques Radiohead for using a gimmick to market their music and lumps them among the bling-bling, sell out, and American Idol culture. Which again, is quite comical and ironic considering the ass-hat hasn’t made innovative music in 15 years.

dharma69

facepollution wrote:

If you had read the whole piece, he was talking about making music and his ideas for releasing it. He wasn't whining so much as slagging off the record industry.

If you've read what I wrote, you'd see that I didn't read the whole piece and have based my opinion off of the thread starter and that's as far as it's going to go.

Slagging off/whining; same thing. Keep up, do something innovative yourself or get out of the way.

facepollution

dharma69 wrote:

If you've read what I wrote, you'd see that I didn't read the whole piece and have based my opinion off of the thread starter and that's as far as it's going to go.

Slagging off/whining; same thing. Keep up, do something innovative yourself or get out of the way.

And if you read my comment, you would realise that I acknowledged you hadn't read it all - hence the 'if' part!

HughFreakingDillon

Billy seems to be fashioning himself some type of intellectual philosopher of sorts these days:

Smashing Pumpkins frontman Billy Corgan has posted the following on Instagram where he describes how a figurative ‘mob’ has attacked him over the years for his contrarian views:

“The most dangerous things in the world are a free mind, a free heart, and free will. Society, or culture (which aren’t always the same, mind you) defines itself through a collective consensus. But far too often throughout history the psychopathic leanings of the mob have been dead wrong. So it isn’t surprising that the mob uses itself to justify an ill-logic, turning inward to ask, ‘aren’t we right in our feeling/belief/suspicion?’ (cue loud, guttural cheer). And by extension that same mob hates, and I do mean hate, that which it cannot control.

For the existence of any contrarian symbol, be it man, woman, bird, or falling duck is that which the mob identifies as threat to its so-called hegemony. So they endeavor to stamp that virus out, only to target the next most dangerous elemental force, and the next, and the next. Continuing on forever until like a snake eating it’s own tale, there are simply no more witches to burn.

And so over a lifetime of wonderings and wanderings I have deduced a pattern that says if I’d only gone along to get along (to abuse the old aphorism) my life might have gone different, or better, or more brightly. I must admit that I even fall into the trap occasionally of this same query. But thankfully I have seen the light on this new moon, falling as it did on my birthday, that the gift that has saved and resurrected me again and again is the treasure of discernment.

And for years I did struggle with the question of how one can both oppose that which attempts to destroy you all while participating in it’s mad game. (Which stands as a larger parable for Life). So note that which opposes your dream and like myself you will detect the stench of the crowd, furious that anything so weak as a lone individual should refuse their math: 2 + 2 equals 5.

No, 2 + 2 equals 4. And my name is William, not Winston.

Last point: if your bias filter is with the mob you will read such thinking as I have laid out here as complaint.

It is not. My heart is free. I am smiling. And I love God.

The ramblings of a madman being not far from the laughter of a child. So God bless you in finding your own rainbows.”

darwinstheory

The fuck??

HughFreakingDillon

darwinstheory said:

The fuck??

to sum up:

"Fuck D'arcy and all the people that didn't buy tickets to this tour". 

darwinstheory

This dude is a friggin' tool. But not even a good one. More like a tool you bought once because you thought you'd need it some day. Only all these years later, you see it in the back of your toolbox and can't help but to think how worthless of a tool that is and recall how you wasted your money on it.

PJ_Soul

I have totally changed my mind about his new album. It's actually pretty damn good. I think I was just feeling irritated by the fucker (again) the first time I listened.

Poncier

HughFreakingDillon said:

Billy seems to be fashioning himself some type of intellectual philosopher of sorts these days:

Smashing Pumpkins frontman Billy Corgan has posted the following on Instagram where he describes how a figurative ‘mob’ has attacked him over the years for his contrarian views:

“The most dangerous things in the world are a free mind, a free heart, and free will. Society, or culture (which aren’t always the same, mind you) defines itself through a collective consensus. But far too often throughout history the psychopathic leanings of the mob have been dead wrong. So it isn’t surprising that the mob uses itself to justify an ill-logic, turning inward to ask, ‘aren’t we right in our feeling/belief/suspicion?’ (cue loud, guttural cheer). And by extension that same mob hates, and I do mean hate, that which it cannot control.

For the existence of any contrarian symbol, be it man, woman, bird, or falling duck is that which the mob identifies as threat to its so-called hegemony. So they endeavor to stamp that virus out, only to target the next most dangerous elemental force, and the next, and the next. Continuing on forever until like a snake eating it’s own tale, there are simply no more witches to burn.

And so over a lifetime of wonderings and wanderings I have deduced a pattern that says if I’d only gone along to get along (to abuse the old aphorism) my life might have gone different, or better, or more brightly. I must admit that I even fall into the trap occasionally of this same query. But thankfully I have seen the light on this new moon, falling as it did on my birthday, that the gift that has saved and resurrected me again and again is the treasure of discernment.

And for years I did struggle with the question of how one can both oppose that which attempts to destroy you all while participating in it’s mad game. (Which stands as a larger parable for Life). So note that which opposes your dream and like myself you will detect the stench of the crowd, furious that anything so weak as a lone individual should refuse their math: 2 + 2 equals 5.

No, 2 + 2 equals 4. And my name is William, not Winston.

Last point: if your bias filter is with the mob you will read such thinking as I have laid out here as complaint.

It is not. My heart is free. I am smiling. And I love God.

The ramblings of a madman being not far from the laughter of a child. So God bless you in finding your own rainbows.”

There must be some strange ingredients in that Madame Zuzu's tea.