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SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,543
edited November 2008 in Other Music
Just listened to the new album and the man proves once again that he's cocky for a reason. Instead of releasing an album we'd all expect he releases something different and "fresh". And just a year after Graduation, which I think was his best yet. You may hate the guy but he has has 10 Grammys for a reason (including 3 Rap Albums of the Year).
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  • unifiedsceneunifiedscene Posts: 462
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    Just listened to the new album and the man proves once again that he's cocky for a reason. Instead of releasing an album we'd all expect he releases something different and "fresh". And just a year after Graduation, which I think was his best yet. You may hate the guy but he has has 10 Grammys for a reason (including 3 Rap Albums of the Year).

    I'm pretty damned excited for this album. Graduation is mind-blowingly good and is the album that single-handedly got me into hip hop. College Dropout is great as well. I'm not as huge on Late Registration... it's good but has some misses and is his least consistent album. But I'll be there on Tuesday to pick this new album up for sure.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,543
    unifiedscene wrote:
    I'm pretty damned excited for this album. Graduation is mind-blowingly good and is the album that single-handedly got me into hip hop. College Dropout is great as well. I'm not as huge on Late Registration... it's good but has some misses and is his least consistent album. But I'll be there on Tuesday to pick this new album up for sure.
    Late Registration is much better if you take the skits out. Its my least favorite of the four but I still like it.
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  • unifiedsceneunifiedscene Posts: 462
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    Late Registration is much better if you take the skits out. Its my least favorite of the four but I still like it.

    It is definitely overloaded with skits, and they lack the humor of College Dropout's skits. But for me, it's the songs. The middle part of the album just has too many same-y epic slow raps. The album does have some of his best overall songs, but I feel as an album it just doesn't seem to gel like his others. That said, it's still a great album. It only suffers when you compare it to other Kanye albums imo... compare it to anything else and it kicks ass!
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • MonsterOfTheMidwayMonsterOfTheMidway Posts: 416
    Yes, 808's is amazing. If you haven't heard any of his new stuff, prepare to be completely caught off-guard.

    I suggest reading Greg Kot's great review from the Chicago Tribune...it includes this line:

    "The dozen tracks aren’t designed to be celebratory pop hits (in the mode of just about everything West has done in the past), but postcards from the shadowy fringe of the dancefloor, after everyone has gone home."


    And for everyone that's going to come into this thread and rag on Kanye: Fuck you close-minded douches.
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  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    I just don't understand why he has chosen to sing the whole album when he is incapable, and knows he is incapable since he used autotune on the whole album.

    It's like saying "yeah ok, I suck at this but you'll buy it anyway because it's me so I'll just polish it up with computers".
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,543
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    I just don't understand why he has chosen to sing the whole album when he is incapable, and knows he is incapable since he used autotune on the whole album.

    It's like saying "yeah ok, I suck at this but you'll buy it anyway because it's me so I'll just polish it up with computers".
    He's probably just trying to change it up. I bet he comes out with another great regular style rap album next year.
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  • PJ & BomptonPJ & Bompton Posts: 92
    Because raps lack melody...and he felt that to best portray the heartbreak of losing his fiance and mother that singing would give him the melody to express his feelings...even with the autotune you can hear a human being behind there...tons of emotion on this album and it is easily a top 10 album this year...
  • chris05chris05 Posts: 347
    I cant wait for the new album. Graduation is my favorite.
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  • cc10106cc10106 Posts: 385
    MonsterOfTheMidway wrote:
    And for everyone that's going to come into this thread and rag on Kanye: Fuck you close-minded douches.
    lol you really showed those "close-minded douches"!!!

    i'm sure i'll get around to hearing this eventually. the mention of it having less party tracks definitely interests me more, though i'm wondering if i can stand hearing all that auto-tune for that long. will give it a fair shake though when the time comes. i'll admit his 'style' of music really isn't my thing, but i recognized his talents years ago and that he worked his way up the ladder legitimately.

    the guy's been through some bad shit, especially recently, but he just needs to let the music do the talking. no need to proclaim himself as something that really means JACK SHIT in the end. once he start trying to be the best or most remembered of whatever bullshit level of POP STARDOM (NOT MUSICIAN) he thinks he's achieving, he'll lose sight of the only thing that matters - music and expression. quit over-compensating, Kanye, and just do your thing. we hear you loud and clear already. you'll get your due when the time comes.

    also, GRAMMIES DON'T MEAN SHIT.
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,543
    cc10106 wrote:

    also, GRAMMIES DON'T MEAN SHIT.
    Any reasoning behind this?
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  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    Any reasoning behind this?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Best_Hard_Rock/Metal_Performance_Vocal_or_Instrumental
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • cc10106cc10106 Posts: 385
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    Any reasoning behind this?
    it's just a personal opinion, but i would guess one that is shared by many successfull musicians in and out of the mainstream. sure the award means something to certain people and bands and as a sort of recognition of whatever achievement, but there is SO much great music that gets overlooked every year by the circle jerk that is the Grammy Awards. it's just one big parade honestly that lets the big music corporations throw a big party and for the network airing it to make tons of money in advertising. granted, i haven't watched the show in years and i'm sure there are some pretty meaningful moments at times (particularly tributes such as the one for Joe Strummer), but one shouldn't base the worth of a band on such trivial things like Grammies and Rock n Roll HoF inductions. sure if i was in someone's position that was just won one, i'd say thanks and all especially because of the hard work so many do to make it happen, but i'd know deep down a trophy isn't what defines me as a musician/artist/whatever. then again, if someone limits themselves to the world of POP, then maybe that's the only real affirmation of your worth, other than selling mp3s or albums. maybe if i work in the music biz one day, say for a major label, i'll better understand the hoopla. until then, yawn.
  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    Whatever. I wish the rap feud would reignite and this asshole would get whacked
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  • MonsterOfTheMidwayMonsterOfTheMidway Posts: 416
    nathanastin wrote:
    Whatever. I wish the rap feud would reignite and this asshole would get whacked


    You are the worst person in the history of the board. Please go fuck yourself.
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    Lil Wayne is better than Pearl Jam.

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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    "I'd like to thank everyone who accepted me trying to break new boundaries in music. It's our responsibility as musicians to keep pushing each other...We will be the new Beatles, the new [Jimi] Hendrix. I want to be Elvis."

    As Jimmy Kimmel said "Elvis died on the toilet with a jelly doughnut in his mouth, so you might want to rethink that."

    Either way, I think Kanye has a very skewed perspective. He is a fine artist and a prima donna. He is no Hendrix, Beattles, Elvis.
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  • petrocspetrocs Posts: 4,342
    Kanye is an idiot...case closed
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  • PJ & BomptonPJ & Bompton Posts: 92
    jeffbr wrote:
    "I'd like to thank everyone who accepted me trying to break new boundaries in music. It's our responsibility as musicians to keep pushing each other...We will be the new Beatles, the new [Jimi] Hendrix. I want to be Elvis."

    As Jimmy Kimmel said "Elvis died on the toilet with a jelly doughnut in his mouth, so you might want to rethink that."

    Either way, I think Kanye has a very skewed perspective. He is a fine artist and a prima donna. He is no Hendrix, Beattles, Elvis.

    how so? those artists were the top artists around in their time...the same is correct for Kanye no?
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    PJ & Bompton wrote:
    how so? those artists were the top artists around in their time...the same is correct for Kanye no?
    Yes but we can assume that our standards have been somewhat lowered when it comes to the mainstream.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    PJ & Bompton wrote:
    how so? those artists were the top artists around in their time...the same is correct for Kanye no?

    No.

    Kanye is top in his niche, but has far from universal appeal and acclaim. He's a poppy artist who is very clever, but certainly isn't revolutionary, and hasn't left (and won't) an indelible mark on music history. He is as close to a parody as he can be as a serious artist.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • PJ & BomptonPJ & Bompton Posts: 92
    jeffbr wrote:
    No.

    Kanye is top in his niche, but has far from universal appeal and acclaim. He's a poppy artist who is very clever, but certainly isn't revolutionary, and hasn't left (and won't) an indelible mark on music history. He is as close to a parody as he can be as a serious artist.

    you are severely underestimating him...

    i'm not sure of any other artist to sell out 3 shows at MSG after only their third album...i would bring up more examples of him being bigger than you think but it's late...
  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,543
    hartamh wrote:
    I think he is losing it, since him mom passed away!! :(
    How can you make that claim when he's only released one album since then... and that was yesterday. Kanye will be back next year will another classic hip hop album, I think this one was for himself. I think its good but I can see how people wouldn't like it.
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  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,543
    jeffbr wrote:
    "I'd like to thank everyone who accepted me trying to break new boundaries in music. It's our responsibility as musicians to keep pushing each other...We will be the new Beatles, the new [Jimi] Hendrix. I want to be Elvis."

    As Jimmy Kimmel said "Elvis died on the toilet with a jelly doughnut in his mouth, so you might want to rethink that."

    Either way, I think Kanye has a very skewed perspective. He is a fine artist and a prima donna. He is no Hendrix, Beattles, Elvis.

    I don't think he really believes that stuff. Rappers are supposed to have egos, that makes them big sells. Everytime Kanye says something like that people respond to it, and thats exactly what he wants. And then when he releases an album if you love him you go out and get it anyway, and (sometimes) if you hate him you're still curious as to what the album sounds like.
    severed hand thirteen
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    2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
    2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
    2017: RRHoF 4/7   2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4   2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18 
    2022: MSG 9/11  2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
    2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    PJ & Bompton wrote:
    you are severely underestimating him...

    i'm not sure of any other artist to sell out 3 shows at MSG after only their third album...i would bring up more examples of him being bigger than you think but it's late...

    Britney Spears had a huge impact a few years ago, and the amazing ability to sell albums and sell out shows. Based on your perspective, would you then posit that Britney is the new Janis Joplin, Aretha Franklin, etc...?
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • azwyldcatsazwyldcats Posts: 710
    IMO he pretty much blows.
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  • stu geestu gee Posts: 1,174
    Havent heard anything by him that i like and the most recent song of his i heard was truly awful. You lose indeed.
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  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,543
    stu gee wrote:
    Havent heard anything by him that i like and the most recent song of his i heard was truly awful. You lose indeed.
    Who loses?

    You realize this is all opinion, right?
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    2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
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  • unifiedsceneunifiedscene Posts: 462
    jeffbr wrote:
    Britney Spears had a huge impact a few years ago, and the amazing ability to sell albums and sell out shows. Based on your perspective, would you then posit that Britney is the new Janis Joplin, Aretha Franklin, etc...?

    Britney was a hired gun that had no hand in the production of her own music. Say what you will about Kanye, the songs are his. The production is his. The lyrics are his. Each album is different, changing his sound, evolving. I liken his run of albums so far to Pearl Jam's first three... neither artist was content to keep playing the same tired formula. They both pushed themselves, changing with each release, maintaining the difficult combo of critical respect and popular appeal for several years and albums.

    He's not some flash in the pan, as so many disposable rap stars are. He's in for the long haul.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    Am I alone in thinking he's a pretty substandard rapper? He's a fantastic producer to my ears; his songs and the songs he produces for others sound really good. But his rapping, to my ears, is just really poor. It's probably moreso his delivery than his lyrics, but I think they're both pretty shoddy.
  • stu geestu gee Posts: 1,174
    SVRDhand13 wrote:
    Who loses?

    You realize this is all opinion, right?

    Yes. I was referring to his song with the words 'you lose'.
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  • unifiedsceneunifiedscene Posts: 462
    digster wrote:
    Am I alone in thinking he's a pretty substandard rapper? He's a fantastic producer to my ears; his songs and the songs he produces for others sound really good. But his rapping, to my ears, is just really poor. It's probably moreso his delivery than his lyrics, but I think they're both pretty shoddy.

    You're not the only one there. A lot of people would agree that as far as simple technique, he's not much of a rapper. He had to fight that a lot coming up. But he's not the only person to compile a pretty incredible body of work with limited vocal talents.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
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