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Is Chris Cornell the best singer/songwriter in the last 15 years

tonadaxtonadax Posts: 594
edited October 2006 in Other Music
i´ve checked some message boards here, and is amazing how many people consider how great liricist,songwriter, vocalist is cornell and i agree with that...

songs like sunshine, slaves and bulldozers, like suicide, like suicide, sunshower, like a stone, reach down, when i´m down, sweet euphoria, 1 zero and Say hello to heaven are rock classics...
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  • EchoesEchoes Posts: 1,279
    are you fucking retarded?

    Not by a mile
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  • reeferchiefreeferchief Posts: 3,569
    He is one of my favourite singer/songwritters of the last 15yrs, but to say he is the best would be a bit much.
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  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    He's certainly written some of the best songs of the past 15 years, Seasons being my very favourite.
  • jeff's_the_manjeff's_the_man Posts: 660
    id say he is one of the best. his lyrics are something else. i really do love almost everything he does.
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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Computer says No
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    he's not even the best singer/songwriter of the last 15 nanoseconds... i just heard a dog fart a better tune :D
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    he's not even the best singer/songwriter of the last 15 nanoseconds... i just heard a dog fart a better tune :D

    Nice. What tune was it?
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    Nice. What tune was it?


    "Pump up the volume"... i think... or maybe it was "blowing in the wind"
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    Give him his dues, in the early 90's his voice was jaw-dropping, very few singers are able to express that much passion through their voice AND have unrelenting power and range too. Songwriting on the other hand is totally subjective, and what works for some doesn't work for others.
  • brain of cbrain of c Posts: 5,213
    maybe.
    d'oh!!!!!!

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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    facepollution wrote:
    Give him his dues, in the early 90's his voice was jaw-dropping, very few singers are able to express that much passion through their voice AND have unrelenting power and range too. Songwriting on the other hand is totally subjective, and what works for some doesn't work for others.

    All true, yes, but the early 90s are long gone and other, much better song-writers have emerged since. The question asked was whether CC was the best sing/songwriter in 15 years.
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  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,557
    these people who say no...

    please tell us then who it is ?
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    I BrisK I wrote:
    these people who say no...

    please tell us then who it is ?


    Ed Vedder for one.... :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    I BrisK I wrote:
    these people who say no...

    please tell us then who it is ?

    Jeff Buckley, probably

    Around now?

    Damien Rice, Jose Gonzalez

    Man I've been editing this a lot. Sorry. Just rememberd.

    Hands down, best of 15 years (yes, I know he's older, but he's still around): Tom Waits.
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    Jeff Buckley, probably


    i'd put Jeff in there as well :cool:


    also Jack White for me.... i think he's an amzing musician!!

    as a plain old songwriter then Noel Gallagher is brilliant... not technically or fuck all like that.. but he can build beautiful melodies and compositions out of ancient well-used chords, and thats a great skill to have!!

    Thom Yorke??
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    i'd put Jeff in there as well :cool:


    also Jack White for me.... i think he's an amzing musician!!

    as a plain old songwriter then Noel Gallagher is brilliant... not technically or fuck all like that.. but he can build beautiful melodies and compositions out of ancient well-used chords, and thats a great skill to have!!

    Thom Yorke??

    Thom Yorke, OK. That's numberwang. :)

    Noel Gallagher? Ancient, well-used? You said it, not me. ;)
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  • SoonForgotten2SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    Jeff Buckley, probably

    Around now?

    Damien Rice, Jose Gonzalez

    Man I've been editing this a lot. Sorry. Just rememberd.

    Hands down, best of 15 years (yes, I know he's older, but he's still around): Tom Waits.

    Jeff Buckley is the hipsters' answer to Kurt Cobain.

    And Tom Waits? The question was over singer/songwriter. Even if Tom Waits wrote the best songs the world has ever heard (which he doesn't), his voice is a nightmare come true.

    As for Chris, he definitely ranks up there, though his voice has lost some of its luster over the years. He does sound the best I've heard him in a long, long time from that acoustic swedish gig though. I think he had a better range than Ed and was the best pure rock vocalist who came out of the 90s but I'd give Ed the edge when it comes to lyrics.
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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    Jeff Buckley is the hipsters' answer to Kurt Cobain.

    And Tom Waits? The question was over singer/songwriter. Even if Tom Waits wrote the best songs the world has ever heard (which he doesn't), his voice is a nightmare come true.

    As for Chris, he definitely ranks up there, though his voice has lost some of its luster over the years. He does sound the best I've heard him in a long, long time from that acoustic swedish gig though. I think he had a better range than Ed and was the best pure rock vocalist who came out of the 90s but I'd give Ed the edge when it comes to lyrics.

    I think Jeff Buckley was a better songwriter than Kurt Cobain. Kurt just got lucky because he k.... no, I won't go there it gets ugly.

    And saying Tom Waits isn't a genius songwriter just because he's got a strange voice is like saying Picasso wasn't a genius painter just because his faces weren't painted with the correct proportions.
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  • SoonForgotten2SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I think Jeff Buckley was a better songwriter than Kurt Cobain. Kurt just got lucky because he k.... no, I won't go there it gets ugly.

    And saying Tom Waits isn't a genius songwriter just because he's got a strange voice is like saying Picasso wasn't a genius painter just because his faces weren't painted with the correct proportions.

    I never said he was a bad songwriter due to his voice. My point is that singer-songwriter is about both aspects, so even if he did write better than Lennon and Morrisson combined, he still wouldn't be a great singer-songwriter because he can't sing.
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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    I never said he was a bad songwriter due to his voice. My point is that singer-songwriter is about both aspects, so even if he did write better than Lennon and Morrisson combined, he still wouldn't be a great singer-songwriter because he can't sing.

    Like Picasso can't paint you mean?
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    Jeff Buckley is the hipsters' answer to Kurt Cobain.

    and the question would be.....what exactly?

    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    I think Jeff Buckley was a better songwriter than Kurt Cobain. Kurt just got lucky because he k.... no, I won't go there it gets ugly.

    it got ugly the moment you tried to be amusing. bad form hlf***. :(
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  • reeferchiefreeferchief Posts: 3,569
    What no Audioslave bashing yet? I'm amazed.:)
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  • melodyman22melodyman22 Posts: 326
    The best, I dunno but for sure one of them. Id say top 5 for sure.
    -Layne Staley-Yes I know Cantrell wrote alot but Laynes vocals kick ass
    -Eddie Vedder
    -Chris Cornell
    -Scott Weiland
  • melodyman22melodyman22 Posts: 326
    The best, I dunno but for sure one of them. Id say top 5 for sure.
    -Layne Staley-Yes I know Cantrell wrote alot but Laynes vocals kick ass
    -Eddie Vedder
    -Chris Cornell
    -Scott Weiland
  • melodyman22melodyman22 Posts: 326
    The best, I dunno but for sure one of them. Id say top 5 for sure.
    -Layne Staley-Yes I know Cantrell wrote alot but Laynes vocals kick ass
    -Eddie Vedder
    -Chris Cornell
    -Scott Weiland
  • reeferchiefreeferchief Posts: 3,569
    melodyman22 wrote:
    The best, I dunno but for sure one of them. Id say top 5 for sure.
    -Layne Staley-Yes I know Cantrell wrote alot but Laynes vocals kick ass
    -Eddie Vedder
    -Chris Cornell
    -Scott Weiland

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  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,228
    Cornell wrote some good songs. I really liked his stuff with soundgarden and i dug some other stuff he has done. That being said he is no where near teh best singer/songwriter in the last 15 years. not by a mile.

    Obviously i love what eddie vedder has done and i think his lyrics are way better then cornell's, but my favorite of the last 15 years has to be Jeff Tweedy of Uncle Tupelo and Wilco.

    Now i'm not going to say he is the best because there are some great songwriters out there, but he is problaby my favorite and I do think he is better then Cornell.... a LOT better.

    If you've never taken the time to listen to Wilco your problayb like whatever he is just saying that to be hip... If i wanted to be hip I could say jeff mangum (not downing him i like his work a lot too) i would think he would be a "hip" pitchfork pick.
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    melodyman22 is obviously adamant on this one... :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    Jeff Buckley, probably

    Around now?

    Damien Rice, Jose Gonzalez

    Man I've been editing this a lot. Sorry. Just rememberd.

    Hands down, best of 15 years (yes, I know he's older, but he's still around): Tom Waits.
    does jose gonzalez even write his own songs? all the songs I've heard from him are covers. add to that the fact that his voice is just a whisper.


    good call on tom waits though.
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  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,228
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    does jose gonzalez even write his own songs? all the songs I've heard from him are covers. add to that the fact that his voice is just a whisper.


    good call on tom waits though.

    Easy.....

    I'm not about to crown him the best songwriter of the last 15 years myself the guy has only put out one album and an ep to my knowledge, but i think it is unfair to ask if he writes his own songs. He had one cover on the EP and one cover on the album. If those are the only songs of his you have heard you are missing out because his stuff is very good :)
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