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  • Milestone
    Milestone Posts: 1,143
    Keller wrote:
    Would you throw an artist like Ryan Adams into the whole indie mix? He is probaly my favorite artist and i never could put a finger on exactly where he fit in but thats probaly why i think hes soo good.


    I don't think Ryan Adams is indie...because his face is plastered all over Rolling Stone magazine every month. He's on Lost Highway label, which is pretty major.
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  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    Keller wrote:
    Would you throw an artist like Ryan Adams into the whole indie mix? He is probaly my favorite artist and i never could put a finger on exactly where he fit in but thats probaly why i think hes soo good.


    I don't have any album off his, but off what I come to understand of him I'd say singer/songwriter.
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  • Keller
    Keller Posts: 177
    karma defect wrote:
    I don't have any album off his, but off what I come to understand of him I'd say singer/songwriter.

    but isn't anyone who writes songs and sings them considered a singer/songwriter?

    granted he writes some of the best lyrics out there today but i don't see "singer/songwriter" as a type of music
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  • Echoes
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    I'd go with alt-country, since he's usually backed by a band
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Milestone wrote:
    I used to work in a small independant record store here in Portland, Oregon 10 years ago when the term 'indie' started flying around. I don't care what 'indie' means now.....but I'm here to tell you that the term originated when describing bands on small independant labels. The term then morphed to describe the Elliot Smith type people that were into those bands.

    exactly. you can not be signed to a major and be independent. bands started as independent cause the majors wouldn't release their work. they had to do it themselves. and independent inprints owned by majors does not qualify as being independent.
    radiohead are in no way independent.
    just cause you're not "mainstream" doesn't make you independent.
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  • karma defect
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    Echoes wrote:
    Pop is for popular yes, but generally anything light and melodic is considered pop, like Of Montreal, Olivia Tremor Control, Wolf Parade, etc. etc. It is hardly popular but it istill pop music


    I don't know these bands, but I get your meaning. There is a Micheal Jackson album out that no one bought. I still consider it pop.
    I wouldn't call Pavement light as in easy listening. Sorry I don't even think they are poppy, but hey I only have Wowee zowee and a copy of an album of which I don't know the title.
    I would call it post-rockish, but much rather I'd just listen to it. The name doesn't really matter that much, I'm sure you would agree.
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  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    Keller wrote:
    but isn't anyone who writes songs and sings them considered a singer/songwriter?

    granted he writes some of the best lyrics out there today but i don't see "singer/songwriter" as a type of music


    Oh it is though, but I leave it up yo you, whatever you want.
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  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    Echoes wrote:
    I'd go with alt-country, since he's usually backed by a band


    OK. I have a few that are using a backing band, I still regard them as singer/songwriter though. They aren't a real band they just back it up. I am very happy about that quit often because just acoustic guitar gets dull sometimes.
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    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
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  • karma defect
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    catefrances wrote:
    exactly. you can not be signed to a major and be independent. bands started as independent cause the majors wouldn't release their work. they had to do it themselves. and independent inprints owned by majors does not qualify as being independent.
    radiohead are in no way independent.
    just cause you're not "mainstream" doesn't make you independent.


    If Radiohead isn't mainstream, then I think maybe we should open up a discussion on what mainstream is. I don't feel it is just Puff daddy, Rick Martin, Eminem type shit. For me Radiohead is as mainstream rock as you can get.
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    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • Hitch-Hiker
    Hitch-Hiker Posts: 2,873
    Indie is definitely more of a genre now than anything to do with labels. And I can describe it in one boring, overrated word - Interpol.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    karma defect wrote:
    If Radiohead isn't mainstream, then I think maybe we should open up a discussion on what mainstream is. I don't feel it is just Puff daddy, Rick Martin, Eminem type shit. For me Radiohead is as mainstream rock as you can get.

    more mainstream than foo fighters?????

    if you hear it on commercial radio than chances are it's mainstream.

    i don't know about ryan adams. his music goes out on the lost highway label. but i couldn't tell you if that's just a imprint under a major or not.
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  • karma defect
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    catefrances wrote:
    more mainstream than foo fighters?????

    if you hear it on commercial radio than chances are it's mainstream.


    And there you hae it folks. There will probable be even more.
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    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
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  • Echoes
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    karma defect wrote:
    I would call it post-rockish, but much rather I'd just listen to it. The name doesn't really matter that much, I'm sure you would agree.


    I would question your knowledge of what constitutes a post rock band if you Pavement post-rock, but ultimately it doesn't really matter, no. You calling them a post-rock band doesn't change the sound they make (although it does point people who haven't heard them before in the wrong direction)
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    i would go out on a limb and say that the mars volta are post rock.
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  • i am a donut
    i am a donut Posts: 68
    karma defect wrote:
    If Radiohead isn't mainstream, then I think maybe we should open up a discussion on what mainstream is. I don't feel it is just Puff daddy, Rick Martin, Eminem type shit. For me Radiohead is as mainstream rock as you can get.


    Radiohead is about as indie as Pearl Jam is...
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  • karma defect
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    Echoes wrote:
    I would question your knowledge of what constitutes a post rock band if you Pavement post-rock, but ultimately it doesn't really matter, no. You calling them a post-rock band doesn't change the sound they make (although it does point people who haven't heard them before in the wrong direction)


    Your idea of post rock isn't mine. I would not call Mogwai post rock.

    Post rock is for bands like Polvo, Slint, June of '44. I think Pavement is better discribed like that than to call them Pop rock or what did you call them again.
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    i am a donut wrote:
    Radiohead is about as indie as Pearl Jam is...


    Not at all indie then. That is what I said.
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • karma defect
    karma defect Posts: 5,483
    catefrances wrote:
    i would go out on a limb and say that the mars volta are post rock.


    I wouldn't think so but that hardly matters. I wouldn't know what to call them.
    « One man's glory is another man's hell.
    You’re on the outside, never bound by such a spell.
    Together in the darkness, alone in the light.
    I took it upon me to be yours, Timmy,
    I’ll lead your angels and demons at play tonight......»
  • Echoes
    Echoes Posts: 1,279
    karma defect wrote:
    Your idea of post rock isn't mine. I would not call Mogwai post rock.

    Post rock is for bands like Polvo, Slint, June of '44. I think Pavement is better discribed like that than to call them Pop rock or what did you call them again.

    pop roc, as in rock with some very poppy tendencies - i.e. Range Life or Gold Sounds or Here. Those songs are wonderfully poppy.
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  • Jeff Murray
    Jeff Murray Posts: 1,259
    FUGAZI - Check them out. Created their own label to control their own destiny. No corporate control, no one to answer to. Dischord records still remains independent to this day and still has artists signing with them. They never play a venue that restricts by age and the shows are normally around $5 - $10. I know there are other good indie bands out there, but these guys stuck to their ideals for over 15 years. Now that is indie cred.
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