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ItsEvolutionBaby74ItsEvolutionBaby74 Posts: 490
edited June 2006 in Other Music
Any love for Metallica's St. Anger?? Well at least it's better than all that Fall Out Boy and Emo sxxt!
"Feel it rising, yeah next stop falling!"

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  • ItsEvolutionBaby74ItsEvolutionBaby74 Posts: 490
    Somebody post!!!!
    "Feel it rising, yeah next stop falling!"

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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    No.
  • EchoesEchoes Posts: 1,279
    saying X is better than Y is not valid at all when most things are better than X
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  • DCGARDENDCGARDEN Posts: 515
    I can't give you the love you seek, but I won't thrash it either.

    I actually like the sound of the album, but the songs are nothing spectacular.
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  • ItsEvolutionBaby74ItsEvolutionBaby74 Posts: 490
    Echoes wrote:
    saying X is better than Y is not valid at all when most things are better than X

    What are you some pissed mallcore emo who knows a little about early Metallica. I'll have you know that I own every single album from "Kill Em' All"(which you've probably never even heard of) to "St. Anger". I'm not saying that "St. Anger" is their best album, simply that I'd take "Frantic" or "Some Kind of Monster" over "Dance Dance" or "I Write Sins Not Tragedies"!
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  • EchoesEchoes Posts: 1,279
    ItsEvolutionBaby74 wrote:
    What are you some pissed mallcore emo who knows a little about early Metallica. I'll have you know that I own every single album from "Kill Em' All"(which you've probably never even heard of) to "St. Anger". I'm not saying that "St. Anger" is their best album, simply that I'd take "Frantic" or "Some Kind of Monster" over "Dance Dance" or "I Write Sins Not Tragedies"!


    Let's talk.

    About why there are about seven hundred albums better than St Anger, and thats a conservative estimate. There hasn't been a worthwhile Metallica album since they ran out of Mustaine's riffs to rip off.

    In any case, there is absolutely no need for you to attack me personally. I probably listen to more heavy metal in a week than you do in a year. While I respect the influence early Metallica exerted (and I even like Master of Puppets and some of the songs of the other albums!), I do not give a rat's ass about them now. I should have told a younger me this and I wouldn't have bought St. Anger.
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  • alobaralobar Posts: 310
    Echoes wrote:
    Let's talk.

    About why there are about seven hundred albums better than St Anger, and thats a conservative estimate. There hasn't been a worthwhile Metallica album since they ran out of Mustaine's riffs to rip off.

    In any case, there is absolutely no need for you to attack me personally. I probably listen to more heavy metal in a week than you do in a year. While I respect the influence early Metallica exerted (and I even like Master of Puppets and some of the songs of the other albums!), I do not give a rat's ass about them now. I should have told a younger me this and I wouldn't have bought St. Anger.

    echoes, does that mean you own St. Anger? Ouch.
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  • EchoesEchoes Posts: 1,279
    alobar wrote:
    echoes, does that mean you own St. Anger? Ouch.

    yeah, day it came out, too. Its buried in one of my drawers, it doesn't go up the CD rack with the rest of my albums
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  • ItsEvolutionBaby74ItsEvolutionBaby74 Posts: 490
    Echoes wrote:
    Let's talk.

    About why there are about seven hundred albums better than St Anger, and thats a conservative estimate. There hasn't been a worthwhile Metallica album since they ran out of Mustaine's riffs to rip off.

    In any case, there is absolutely no need for you to attack me personally. I probably listen to more heavy metal in a week than you do in a year. While I respect the influence early Metallica exerted (and I even like Master of Puppets and some of the songs of the other albums!), I do not give a rat's ass about them now. I should have told a younger me this and I wouldn't have bought St. Anger.

    Uhh what the fk, MUSTAINE USED TO BE A METALLICA MEMBER!!
    And I listen to Opeth, Iced Earth, Tool, Venom, Slayer, Cryptopsy, non-Midian Cradle of Filth, Hellig Usvart(you dont know who that is do you?),In Flames,Iron Maiden, Megadeth,Anthrax,Napalm Death,Helmet and many many others. Don't you even go there about more metal than me, okay?
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  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,903
    ItsEvolutionBaby74 wrote:
    Hellig Usvart(you dont know who that is do you?)

    did you really just say that?....and mean it?
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  • ItsEvolutionBaby74ItsEvolutionBaby74 Posts: 490
    mookeywrench wrote:
    did you really just say that?....and mean it?

    What do you mean, they were the first Christian black-metal band, their name means Holy Unblack. Is it that strange to you?
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  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,903
    ItsEvolutionBaby74 wrote:
    What do you mean, they were the first Christian black-metal band, their name means Holy Unblack. Is it that strange to you?


    i'm talking about the "i'm cooler than you because i know this band and you dont statement"
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  • ItsEvolutionBaby74ItsEvolutionBaby74 Posts: 490
    mookeywrench wrote:
    i'm talking about the "i'm cooler than you because i know this band and you dont statement"

    He did the same in saying that he listens to more heavy-metal in a week than I do in a year. I'm just attempting to prove him wrong. Not really a "i'm cooler than you because i know this band and you dont statement" when put in perspective that I started this thread because I like an album that was absoluteley hated by most fans!
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  • EchoesEchoes Posts: 1,279
    ItsEvolutionBaby74 wrote:
    Uhh what the fk, MUSTAINE USED TO BE A METALLICA MEMBER!!
    And I listen to Opeth, Iced Earth, Tool, Venom, Slayer, Cryptopsy, non-Midian Cradle of Filth, Hellig Usvart(you dont know who that is do you?),In Flames,Iron Maiden, Megadeth,Anthrax,Napalm Death,Helmet and many many others. Don't you even go there about more metal than me, okay?

    Yeah, and when Mustaine left, they just used his riffs for a good 4 albums then ran dry.

    in any case, Cradle of Filth and Napalm Death suck (even if I agree with them in principle, I just don't like them very much so far), Tool is hardly metal, Venom is shitty black metal, and In Flames wishes they were At the Gates and Anthrax wishes they were Megadeth/Slayer.

    Opeth and Cryptopsy are good, though, Blackwater Park and None So Vile are two of my favourite metal albums ever. I listen to NSV pretty much every 3 or 4 days. Maiden's classic, but I dont really listen to much that isn't on Powerslave, Number Of The Beast, Piece Of Mind or is the title track on Fear Of The Dark. The rest isn't that special to me. Iced Earth is good enough but I stopped listening to power metal a while back. Jon is a fucking killer guitar player, though. Demons And Wizards (his side project with Hansi of Blind Guardian) was kind of a letdown, but that might have been a result of shifting tastes on my part, since it was all pretty tight).

    We really don't need to play the "list a million metal bands" game but hey I guess we can if you want to. It doesn't prove a single thing (since I can just as easily name bands you haven't heard of and vice versa) - at least not in the "making my argument more valid" argument.
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  • ItsEvolutionBaby74ItsEvolutionBaby74 Posts: 490
    Echoes wrote:
    Yeah, and when Mustaine left, they just used his riffs for a good 4 albums then ran dry.

    in any case, Cradle of Filth and Napalm Death suck (even if I agree with them in principle, I just don't like them very much so far), Tool is hardly metal, Venom is shitty black metal, and In Flames wishes they were At the Gates and Anthrax wishes they were Megadeth/Slayer.

    Opeth and Cryptopsy are good, though, Blackwater Park and None So Vile are two of my favourite metal albums ever. I listen to NSV pretty much every 3 or 4 days. Maiden's classic, but I dont really listen to much that isn't on Powerslave, Number Of The Beast, Piece Of Mind or is the title track on Fear Of The Dark. The rest isn't that special to me. Iced Earth is good enough but I stopped listening to power metal a while back. Jon is a fucking killer guitar player, though. Demons And Wizards (his side project with Hansi of Blind Guardian) was kind of a letdown, but that might have been a result of shifting tastes on my part, since it was all pretty tight).

    We really don't need to play the "list a million metal bands" game but hey I guess we can if you want to. It doesn't prove a single thing (since I can just as easily name bands you haven't heard of and vice versa) - at least not in the "making my argument more valid" argument.

    Try me name some bands I've never heard of.
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  • DCGARDENDCGARDEN Posts: 515
    This thread has turned into a pissing contest that I can't even approach.

    Before you two start beating your chest about all the metal you dig, you may wanna call Kenny from " Don't tell Mom the Babysitter's dead" and get his input!
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  • ItsEvolutionBaby74ItsEvolutionBaby74 Posts: 490
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    This thread has turned into a pissing contest that I can't even approach.

    Before you two start beating your chest about all the metal you dig, you may wanna call Kenny from " Don't tell Mom the Babysitter's dead" and get his input!

    DCGARDEN, are you a TOOL fan by any chance?
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  • EchoesEchoes Posts: 1,279
    it's not really relevant because we all know how to use google BUT

    Ulver
    Tyr
    Ensiferum
    1349
    Deathspell Omega
    Apse
    Bossk
    Botch
    Off Minor
    Summoning
    Urukhai
    Nile
    Rotting Carcass

    I mean Ulver's pretty big (in BM circles anyways), and some of those bands are almost hardcore, but its a fine line. In any case, I fail to see your point here.
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  • EchoesEchoes Posts: 1,279
    oh Godflesh is pretty cool. Broadrick was in one of Napalm Death's incarnations.
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  • ItsEvolutionBaby74ItsEvolutionBaby74 Posts: 490
    Echoes wrote:
    it's not really relevant because we all know how to use google BUT

    Ulver
    Tyr
    Ensiferum
    1349
    Deathspell Omega
    Apse
    Bossk
    Botch
    Off Minor
    Summoning
    Urukhai
    Nile
    Rotting Carcass

    I mean Ulver's pretty big (in BM circles anyways), and some of those bands are almost hardcore, but its a fine line. In any case, I fail to see your point here.

    But do you know who "Hellig Usvart" is from my previous post?? Or Selputra, Amorphis, Entombed, Emperor, or Dimmu Borgir??
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  • EchoesEchoes Posts: 1,279
    does it even fucking MATTER? Please tell me why

    (besides, even casual metal fans know who sepultura are)

    (I listened to IX Equilibrium today, one of the tops there is)

    (Dimmu Borgir fucking blows)

    (I haven't listened to Entombed or amorphis, but I am aware of their existence, like bands like the Black Keys, Black Dice, or My Morning Jacket)

    (and no I haven't heard of that band you said but there are about a thousand black metal bands I haven't heard of)
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  • jammerfalljammerfall Posts: 908
    We all know that Evanescence rules the metal stratosphere, so there's really no need to continue arguing.

    ;) Edit: Better put a wink in here.
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  • DCGARDENDCGARDEN Posts: 515
    ItsEvolutionBaby74 wrote:
    DCGARDEN, are you a TOOL fan by any chance?


    Yes
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  • JSP552003JSP552003 Posts: 222
    its funny how this has turned from a st. anger thread to a "im m0r3 \m/ETALLLLL tahn U, u \m/eTaLlLlL nooob!!!!11!!!1!!11" thread...

    edit: but back on topic, i thought st. anger was metallica's worst album by far....but having said that it had a lot of potential but the songs were too long and monotonous (long songs are great as long as its not the same boring riff for 8 or 9 minutes)....and i dont even need to say anything about the drum sound...
  • EchoesEchoes Posts: 1,279
    I've heard worse drum sounds (Ulver/Early Immortal anyone?), but when you are a shitty drummer AND you have a couple million to record with you should at least make it sound passable.
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  • eekamouseeekamouse Posts: 267
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  • DCGARDENDCGARDEN Posts: 515
    Echoes wrote:
    I've heard worse drum sounds (Ulver/Early Immortal anyone?), but when you are a shitty drummer AND you have a couple million to record with you should at least make it sound passable.



    Wanna make sure I'm reading you right- did you just refer to Lars Ulrich as a shitty drummer?
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  • Boom The CatBoom The Cat Posts: 482
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    Wanna make sure I'm reading you right- did you just refer to Lars Ulrich as a shitty drummer?

    I aint into metal anymore, but if he said that then I really pity this guy.
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  • EchoesEchoes Posts: 1,279
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    Wanna make sure I'm reading you right- did you just refer to Lars Ulrich as a shitty drummer?

    I suppose shitty isn't the the proper word, but "competent" is propbably a lot more accurate. He isn't Brad-Wilke bad but when it comes to drumming he is very standard... ESPECIALLY as a metal drummer.
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  • mookie blaylock 10mookie blaylock 10 Posts: 4,042
    JSP552003 wrote:
    its funny how this has turned from a st. anger thread to a "im m0r3 \m/ETALLLLL tahn U, u \m/eTaLlLlL nooob!!!!11!!!1!!11" thread...

    edit: but back on topic, i thought st. anger was metallica's worst album by far....but having said that it had a lot of potential but the songs were too long and monotonous (long songs are great as long as its not the same boring riff for 8 or 9 minutes)....and i dont even need to say anything about the drum sound...


    it almost seems to me that if they'd had rick rubin last time around st. anger could have been so much more. i'm anxious to see what they come up with working with him. i don't think bob rock did a good job at all on st. anger, although i still do like some tunes. like you said, jsp, it had potential...could have been much better.

    and for anyone who hasn't seen lars do his magic live...it is a sight to behold! fantastic in concert. he leaves it all on the stage. just my opinion. :)
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