Media Ruins Bands LOOK and POST

ItsEvolutionBaby74

I have Staind's debut "Tormented" and it kicks major ass, but now "Chapter V" sucks major ass!!!! Any situations of media ruining bands that you noticed?

Echoes

How do you think the media ruined the band, out of curiosity? I mean, it was the band's decision to make music that would appeal to the masses (and hence usually gets the tired and derivative sound bands like Godsmack, Disturbed, U2, Foo Fighters, new Metallica etc etc), so ultimately, the band is the one who should take the heat for sounding like ass.

alobar

There's much more media-hyped bands than media-ruined bands. They wouldn't have been ruined by the media if they didn't rely on so much hype to make them popular. Covering "Black" was such a huge media-hype stunt.

jhawk98

Echoes wrote:

bands like Godsmack, Disturbed, U2, Foo Fighters, new Metallica etc etc), so ultimately, the band is the one who should take the heat for sounding like ass.

good lord. one of these things is not like the others, one of these things doesn't belong, da da da dum da da...

nice bait though echoes...

Echoes

jhawk98 wrote:

good lord. one of these things is not like the others, one of these things doesn't belong, da da da dum da da...

nice bait though echoes...

all the same in my book, although I guess you could make arguments that godsmack and disturbed and the foo fighters were nver really that good in the first place

ItsEvolutionBaby74

Echoes wrote:

How do you think the media ruined the band, out of curiosity? I mean, it was the band's decision to make music that would appeal to the masses (and hence usually gets the tired and derivative sound bands like Godsmack, Disturbed, U2, Foo Fighters, new Metallica etc etc), so ultimately, the band is the one who should take the heat for sounding like ass.

Well, Fred Durst picked up Staind and hated "Tormented" and said they would have to do something else ("Dysfunction" anyone) or he would drop them. SOO, Fred Durst is the ass (BUT, as if we didn't know that?)

Echoes

ItsEvolutionBaby74 wrote:

Well, Fred Durst picked up Staind and hated "Tormented" and said they would have to do something else ("Dysfunction" anyone) or he would drop them. SOO, Fred Durst is the ass (BUT, as if we didn't know that?)

He may be an ass, but ultimately it was staind's choice to take the money and contract over their original sound. They could have just as easily told him to fuck off and have been done with him.

alobar

jhawk98 wrote:

good lord. one of these things is not like the others, one of these things doesn't belong, da da da dum da da...

nice bait though echoes...

are you talking about The Foo Fighters?

ItsEvolutionBaby74

alobar wrote:

There's much more media-hyped bands than media-ruined bands. They wouldn't have been ruined by the media if they didn't rely on so much hype to make them popular. Covering "Black" was such a huge media-hype stunt.

PJ never wanted to be popular to begin with!! So its ironic that a band would cover them for hype!!!

ItsEvolutionBaby74

Echoes wrote:

He may be an ass, but ultimately it was staind's choice to take the money and contract over their original sound. They could have just as easily told him to fuck off and have been done with him.

And lose a once in a lifetime chance?? circumstance man circumstance!

Echoes

ItsEvolutionBaby74 wrote:

PJ never wanted to be popular to begin with!! So its ironic that a band would cover them for hype!!!

I doubt staind was covering black for the hype, since that song doesn't really register to about 90% of the population anyways

ItsEvolutionBaby74

Echoes wrote:

I doubt staind was covering black for the hype, since that song doesn't really register to about 90% of the population anyways

So then Staind are also PJ fans!

jhawk98

alobar wrote:

are you talking about The Foo Fighters?

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Echoes

ItsEvolutionBaby74 wrote:

And lose a once in a lifetime chance?? circumstance man circumstance!

well then you can't really hold their shift in sound against them, can you?

jhawk98

Echoes wrote:

all the same in my book, although I guess you could make arguments that godsmack and disturbed and the foo fighters were nver really that good in the first place

you could easily make those arguments.

COMING DOWN THE MOUNTAIN!!!

sorry, listening to Nothing's Shocking as I type, so I had to throw that in

carry on

alobar

jhawk98 wrote:

swing.

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I was really hoping you were talking about the Foo, even if I don't enjoy their music much.

jhawk98

alobar wrote:

I was really hoping you were talking about the Foo, even if I don't enjoy their music much.

Nah. Although I would put them slightly above MOST of the other garbage Mr. Echoes referred too - including Metalliwah.
Grohl plays a mean drumkit and their first two albums were halfway decent, but they have gone down the tubes in a big way IMO.

ItsEvolutionBaby74

Echoes wrote:

well then you can't really hold their shift in sound against them, can you?

my argument was the media ruined them and along with Fred Durst it did. If you listened to "Tormented" then you'd know.

stateofloventrust12

ItsEvolutionBaby74 wrote:

I have Staind's debut "Tormented" and it kicks major ass, but now "Chapter V" sucks major ass!!!! Any situations of media ruining bands that you noticed?

Wouldn't that mean that they suck their own ass . . . .

ItsEvolutionBaby74

stateofloventrust12 wrote:

Wouldn't that mean that they suck their own ass . . . .

dont be a dumb-ASS! Okay? This is a real thread.

jhawk98

ItsEvolutionBaby74 wrote:

dont be a dumb-ASS! Okay? This is a real thread.

Oh it's a REAL thread.

as opposed to... a fake one?

Don't see much in early Staind, mid- Staind or late Staind. Sorry man.

ItsEvolutionBaby74

jhawk98 wrote:

Oh it's a REAL thread.

as opposed to... a fake one?

Don't see much in early Staind, mid- Staind or late Staind. Sorry man.

But you can only get this album on eBay. Have you heard "Tormented'"? Its the ONLY good album they made!

jhawk98

ItsEvolutionBaby74 wrote:

But you can only get this album on eBay. Have you heard "Tormented'"? Its the ONLY good album they made!

I'll have to take your word for that one good sir knight. As I said though, nothing I've heard would lead me to believe that they could actually produce something worth listening to more that once, let alone buying.

Echoes

jhawk98 wrote:

Oh it's a REAL thread.

as opposed to... a fake one?
.

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=113906
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=155744
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=136510
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=201494

jhawk98

Echoes wrote:

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=113906
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=155744
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=136510
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=201494

so those threads are somehow less appropriate?

It's a public forum man. yeah someone decided to start a little game. who cares?

I just though the statement "this is a REAL thread" was a little odd.

Echoes

jhawk98 wrote:

so those threads are somehow less appropriate?

It's a public forum man. yeah someone decided to start a little game. who cares?

I just though the statement "this is a REAL thread" was a little odd.

man I suppose I should have put my tounge in cheek icon up. They are just substanceless, fun threads. Make of them what you will, but there is zero discussion going on in them.

jhawk98

Echoes wrote:

man I suppose I should have put my tounge in cheek icon up. They are just substanceless, fun threads. Make of them what you will, but there is zero discussion going on in them.

right. so they are not "real" threads. I get it.

Anyway, back to topic... which was how the nasty media has ruined the musical titans known as Staind.

pj_zombie

I don't blame the media for bands deciding to put all artistic integrity aside and just make music for money. It's all on the band. The only thing the media does is try to curb the public's view on what is good or worthwhile.

ItsEvolutionBaby74

pj_zombie wrote:

I don't blame the media for bands deciding to put all artistic integrity aside and just make music for money. It's all on the band. The only thing the media does is try to curb the public's view on what is good or worthwhile.

But in Staind's case Fred Durst(media) offered them millions for them changing their sound to a generic radio-friendly sound(although "Break The Cycle" wasnt that horrid like Chapter V). So Staind might not have had a chance at fame if they turned him down. As he says in a song "I gave in, too much pressure". Honestly, im callin' you out! What would you have done??????????