Metallica - That DVD Documentry They Did

chris01

I cant remember the name of the documentry... obviously from my title, lol.

The one they did whilst making the St Anger album.

Anyone seen it?

I watched it the other day, i always thought Lars was a dick.... but this well and truly cemented that as fact.

He's like a big baby man, if he doesnt get something his way he just goes off on one.

One thing i noticed the part where they had to do the radio promo's but were reluctant to do it cause they thought their stuff was radio worthy without them having to do shit.
Next thing was his 'its not about the money' selling off his paintings, one for $5m i think, and then celebrating like fuck afterwards.
Most 'celebrities' with the money he already has would have auctioned them off for a charity or something.

That documentry didnt put him in a good light in my eyes anyway, seems like he's got the ego of 100 men in him.

gtbrown77

Some Kind Of Monster.

mookie blaylock 10

great documentary! pretty brave of the guys to let a camera crew follow them around through all of that. too much distraction from the record perhaps...i came away with a better understanding of the guys, and a huge amount of respect for kirk hammett.

i can understand what you're saying about lars...but i think the parts with his father helped to give us some insight into his personality and why he feels the need to control and live up to certain standards placed on him. as an artist, i can understand the thing about the paintings. i really don't think it's about the money, it's about the fact that someone values your work that much that they are willing to sacrifice "x" amount for it. it's like a stamp of approval that people get what you are doing. at least that's my take on it.

a friend of mine used to date jason newkid, so i didn't appreciate a couple of digs they made at him, but i think both parties are much happier now. rob trujillo has seemingly brought a new spark to the band...at least judging by the live performances i saw on the last tour. looking forward to the new album!...especially a metallica album without bob rock!

chris01

mookie blaylock 10 wrote:

great documentary! pretty brave of the guys to let a camera crew follow them around through all of that. too much distraction from the record perhaps...i came away with a better understanding of the guys, and a huge amount of respect for kirk hammett.

i can understand what you're saying about lars...but i think the parts with his father helped to give us some insight into his personality and why he feels the need to control and live up to certain standards placed on him. as an artist, i can understand the thing about the paintings. i really don't think it's about the money, it's about the fact that someone values your work that much that they are willing to sacrifice "x" amount for it. it's like a stamp of approval that people get what you are doing. at least that's my take on it.

a friend of mine used to date jason newkid, so i didn't appreciate a couple of digs they made at him, but i think both parties are much happier now. rob trujillo has seemingly brought a new spark to the band...at least judging by the live performances i saw on the last tour. looking forward to the new album!...especially a metallica album without bob rock!

Dont really agree with you about the Lars thing, although i agree his dad didnt look like the easiest of guys to get along with, lol.

I thought the same thing about Kirk though. Ive always liked him, he seems like a really well grounded guy, and a phenominal (sp?) guitarist to boot.

DCGARDEN

I enjoyed that documentary. People forget that bands are just a bunch of guys like us with real problems, that kinda put it in perspective a little -


I was surprised Hammett took such a backseat to the other 2 in the decision making.

mookie blaylock 10

chris01 wrote:

Dont really agree with you about the Lars thing, although i agree his dad didnt look like the easiest of guys to get along with, lol.

I thought the same thing about Kirk though. Ive always liked him, he seems like a really well grounded guy, and a phenominal (sp?) guitarist to boot.

one of the best lines in the documentray was when james was talking about feeling left out of the creative process because of the rehab hours...and kirk says something like ...now you know how i've felt for the past 20 years...i laughed my ass off. there was no comeback because they knew it was true, and kirk doesn't often "speak out" like that.

...we can disagree on lars, it's all good my friend!

chris01

Hah, yeah i thought that part was pretty funny too.

It was a really good documentry and shows that even bands who have been together for as long as they have can have problems but resolve them in the end instead of just saying ah fuck it and breaking up.

stonesgstring

Must have been weird for them to have camera's follow them during their everyday lives. It's nice to see that they all have the same problems as the rest of us.
It's also easy to see what bands do split up, you can see how much pressure is on people when you spend so much time with each other.

dane

Some kind of monster is a most-see in music documentaries. I just wish it said more about the reasons for Jason quiting. I heard he was sorta mocked out. Sounds strange that 3 grown men would do such a thing, but then again with the 2 mega ego's in the band...........

stonesgstring

dane wrote:

Some kind of monster is a most-see in music documentaries. I just wish it said more about the reasons for Jason quiting. I heard he was sorta mocked out. Sounds strange that 3 grown men would do such a thing, but then again with the 2 mega ego's in the band...........

Yeah being in a band with either James or Lars must be tough, but having both of them must be difficult to deal with. Like Kirk playing the middle guy probably works for him. Maybe Jason felt psuhed out in that sense

dane

stonesgstring wrote:

Yeah being in a band with either James or Lars must be tough, but having both of them must be difficult to deal with. Like Kirk playing the middle guy probably works for him. Maybe Jason felt psuhed out in that sense

I have always thought that Lars was down-to-earth guy who was easy to get along with. But in the doc. he sometimes acts like an annoing spoiled brat. If I were to work with him I would click!

prytocorduroy

Lars is a whiny all-about-the-money bitch. Hate him and his stupid new drum from St. Anger's album. Minus him I liked the documentary.

dane

danny72688 wrote:

Lars is a whiny all-about-the-money bitch. Hate him and his stupid new drum from St. Anger's album. Minus him I liked the documentary.

Well, he's also danish, so you have to forgive him

prytocorduroy

dane wrote:

Well, he's also danish, so you have to forgive him

I don't know. All I hear from him is always, bitch bitch bitch, and "the drums need to be louder".

mookie blaylock 10

dane wrote:

Some kind of monster is a most-see in music documentaries. I just wish it said more about the reasons for Jason quiting. I heard he was sorta mocked out. Sounds strange that 3 grown men would do such a thing, but then again with the 2 mega ego's in the band...........

hey dane, i said in an earlier post that a grilfriend of mine used to date the newkid...and from what she told me it's pretty much what was said in the documentary. he really enjoyed being with metallica for a long time, but he has a very creative side that he wasn't "allowed" to let go in the band. she said he used to talk about it with her and that it always kind of bothered him that he didn't have more say in the creative process - but he just put up with it for as long as he could because he enjoyed being in the band with the guys so much. when he said that he wanted to pursue the echobrain project a little more to get some of his creativity out...james pretty much said decide between metallica and that. i think jason touched on it in the documentary - that you don't give a friend and bandmate that kind of ultimatum after so many years of being together. he didn't like feeling trapped like that...so i guess in a way he was forced out. i think the other guys, especially james and lars, saw it as jason being disloyal.

it's really too bad that james couldn't have dealt with a lot of the demons you see him dealing with in the documentary before jason's departure because jason could very well still be in the band. from the digs they took at him in the documentary, though, i don't see much in the way of respect for jason still. from what she's told me and what i've heard he's a really good guy.

Pearl Street Brewery

Just watched this documentary, and really enjoyed it. I encourage you to see it. I saw all the extras as well...One of the better documentaries I have seen.
Oh, man does Lars have a huge ego, or what?

theboxerorthebag

Lars is a nightmare!

My two favorite parts are when Dave Mustaine and Lars are talking to the creep therapist and when Lars goes to see Jason Newsted's new band and Lars is all grumpy.

rrivers

mookie blaylock 10 wrote:

hey dane, i said in an earlier post that a grilfriend of mine used to date the newkid...and from what she told me it's pretty much what was said in the documentary. he really enjoyed being with metallica for a long time, but he has a very creative side that he wasn't "allowed" to let go in the band. she said he used to talk about it with her and that it always kind of bothered him that he didn't have more say in the creative process - but he just put up with it for as long as he could because he enjoyed being in the band with the guys so much. when he said that he wanted to pursue the echobrain project a little more to get some of his creativity out...james pretty much said decide between metallica and that. i think jason touched on it in the documentary - that you don't give a friend and bandmate that kind of ultimatum after so many years of being together. he didn't like feeling trapped like that...so i guess in a way he was forced out. i think the other guys, especially james and lars, saw it as jason being disloyal.

it's really too bad that james couldn't have dealt with a lot of the demons you see him dealing with in the documentary before jason's departure because jason could very well still be in the band. from the digs they took at him in the documentary, though, i don't see much in the way of respect for jason still. from what she's told me and what i've heard he's a really good guy.

That was exactly my take, that all Jason wanted to do was be in another band just to get his creativity out. He had every right to do that. He was willing to suck up not having as much of a say in the creative process to be in Metallica but was so stiffled that he had to get it out somewhere. I think later in the doc they say that the band they became through therapy was actually where Jason would have liked the band to be, and that it was a shame that he wasn't able to be in the band then. From everything I have heard about Jason it has been positive and it is nice to hear stuff like what you mentioned from your friend dating him.

Lars was annoying in the movie and there were definitely times when he made me cring throughout the movie, but I thought James came off like a complete dick. One of many examples was when he didn't want anyone to even listen to songs when he wasn't around. I give them props for showing it, warts and all. It is a fascinating documentary.

mookie blaylock 10

rrivers wrote:

That was exactly my take, that all Jason wanted to do was be in another band just to get his creativity out. He had every right to do that. He was willing to suck up not having as much of a say in the creative process to be in Metallica but was so stiffled that he had to get it out somewhere. I think later in the doc they say that the band they became through therapy was actually where Jason would have liked the band to be, and that it was a shame that he wasn't able to be in the band then. From everything I have heard about Jason it has been positive and it is nice to hear stuff like what you mentioned from your friend dating him.

Lars was annoying in the movie and there were definitely times when he made me cring throughout the movie, but I thought James came off like a complete dick. One of many examples was when he didn't want anyone to even listen to songs when he wasn't around. I give them props for showing it, warts and all. It is a fascinating documentary.

yeah, i've seen it a few more times on IFC...definitely agree that i give them props on showing everything...good and bad.

good summation on the jason situation too. i was happy they presented it accurately...still had to get a couple of digs in at him though, eh? oh well, both parties seem happy with what they're doing now. jason was definitely happier with voivod and being able to involve himself creatively, and metallica seem to have learned their lesson by involving rob in the band more than they allowed jason to be.

tybird

rrivers wrote:

Lars was annoying in the movie and there were definitely times when he made me cring throughout the movie, but I thought James came off like a complete dick. One of many examples was when he didn't want anyone to even listen to songs when he wasn't around. I give them props for showing it, warts and all. It is a fascinating documentary.

I finally watched this one all the way through the other night.........Yes, I thought that Hetfield came off as the bigger dickhead. Lars may have been whiney at times, but he could not top Hetfield in the ass hole efforts.

Good movie.............very interesting.

Was it just me or did Bob Rock torpedo the movement to bring Jason back???

SweetHarmonics

It seemed to me like Kirk Hammett was the only cool guy involved in the whole conglomeration. Hetfield and Lars were both playing the role of typically egomaniacal rockers on the downside of a career. Bob Rock has been terrible since day one with the band and that leecher therapist was in a whole other reality.

Give Jason Newsted the due credit for knowing when to jump ship. A lesson on how sobriety is rarely conducive to making great music.