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MKTerpMKTerp Posts: 66
edited April 2007 in Other Music
So I saw them at the Beacon Theater last night. I'm a casual fan - I really just know the hits and whatever is on The Road Goes on Forever collection. I only knew 1 song that they played last night - Dreams. Well they played Manic Depression and Dazed and Confused, which was awesome. I love guitar solos as much as anyone, but the show was basically one long jam session, which got boring after awhile - I just wanted to finally hear Whipping Post or Midnight Rider or something. Amazing musicians, but just an overall disappointing experience for me, since it was my 1 time seeing the Allman Bros.

I'm looking at some of the recent setlists, and it looks like they played more hits. So maybe it was more of a "rarities" night. Can any hardcore Allman fans weigh in on this?
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  • laudenumlaudenum Posts: 405
    they were were waaaaay better back when duanne allman was playing ,
    plus i dont even think betts is with the band now?
    anyway,if you could have seen them when it was"live at the fillmore"
    it was quite an ..experience.
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  • ahitchhikerinmyrvmahitchhikerinmyrvm Posts: 119
    I'm a casual fan like you, but I have seen them a bunch of times at the Beacon over the years (although not since Dickie Betts left the band) - i've been to shows where I have only known one or two songs also, but I have also been to Beacon shows where they do play their hits. I guess that over the course of the month that they play there, they mix it up by show a lot, so you never know what you will get. You'd hope to at least get Whipping Post or something....

    I've also seen the Dickie Betts Band a few times - very good, great guitar and he plays a bunch of his Allman hits.
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  • laudenumlaudenum Posts: 405
    if dicky betts isnt even playing with,they arent even the allman bros.
    listen to live at the fillmore,and what they play now.....quite a difference
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  • Pearl Jam and toastPearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    I saw them last September and was disapointed as well. My ticket was free and it was still a great show (and they played Mellissa) but Moe. upstaged the fuck out of them. They just don't have any energy.
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    laudenum wrote:
    if dicky betts isnt even playing with,they arent even the allman bros.
    listen to live at the fillmore,and what they play now.....quite a difference

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  • Shawn Smith CollectiveShawn Smith Collective Posts: 986
    MKTerp wrote:
    the show was basically one long jam session

    That's what their shows have always been. There's never long setlists, because often the songs are stretched into 10-20 minute improvs. And they've never been worried about catering to the casual fan with their hits...not that there's anything wrong with being a casual fan...but the concerts aren't designed for them.
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  • MKTerpMKTerp Posts: 66
    pjny wrote:
    That's what their shows have always been. There's never long setlists, because often the songs are stretched into 10-20 minute improvs. And they've never been worried about catering to the casual fan with their hits...not that there's anything wrong with being a casual fan...but the concerts aren't designed for them.


    Yeah I respect that. It's like the casual fans that get pissed when PJ doesn't play Betterman or Alive. But PJ always plays some songs that everyone will recognize. It was just a frustrating experience since it was the only time I got to see Allman Bros...
  • hendrix78hendrix78 Posts: 507
    laudenum wrote:
    if dicky betts isnt even playing with,they arent even the allman bros.
    listen to live at the fillmore,and what they play now.....quite a difference

    I strongly disagree with this. I love Betts as much as any Allman Bros. fan, but the guitar lineup now is frankly the best it's been since the original Duane/Dickey combo. Live at the Fillmore is a classic, one of the greatest records of all time, but the band is still making great music. Of course there is a difference in the sound, it would be sad if they just brought in new people to replicate the sound of the original players. I applaud them for letting their sound evolve. Don't get me wrong, though, they still sound like the Allman Brothers, just a slightly different Allman Bros.

    I think the people complaining that the current lineup isn't the same and that they aren't the Allman Bros. without Dickey Betts are just living in the past. Anyone who says Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks don't hold up to Betts and whoever else they had on second guitar at the time (post-Duane) just hasn't listened to the current lineup in my opinion. Trucks and Haynes are two of the best players out there. I've seen this lineup several times and they've always been mind blowing.

    To try to be somewhat on topic, whenever I've seen them (5 or 6 times) they've always played a fair amount of hits, but I've never seen them at the Beacon. I would guess that because they do a series of shows at the Beacon, they try to mix it up and not just play the hits every night.
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  • endlessparadeendlessparade Posts: 99
    MKTerp wrote:
    So I saw them at the Beacon Theater last night. I'm a casual fan - I really just know the hits and whatever is on The Road Goes on Forever collection. I only knew 1 song that they played last night - Dreams. Well they played Manic Depression and Dazed and Confused, which was awesome. I love guitar solos as much as anyone, but the show was basically one long jam session, which got boring after awhile - I just wanted to finally hear Whipping Post or Midnight Rider or something. Amazing musicians, but just an overall disappointing experience for me, since it was my 1 time seeing the Allman Bros.

    I'm looking at some of the recent setlists, and it looks like they played more hits. So maybe it was more of a "rarities" night. Can any hardcore Allman fans weigh in on this?

    wow they covered hendrix and the mighty zepplin! thats a mighty cool show u saw!

    u saw one of the last few shows at the becon theatre before the remodelling takes place. the beacon theatre is one of my fave places to see any band. the atmosphere is rich, and thick, and it will never be the same. the allmans have been doing the march beacon run for as long as i can remember and they have played some downright magical shows there in the month of march

    i suppose u gotta like drums to furthur enjoy the show...they have a hell of a drum beat in there, amongst alla those loud geetars ;)

    u should take some time and discover the talents of warren haynes and derek trucks, cause they are 2 of the best guitar players in the world right now

    anyways its like a 2week run of shows and you saw 1 show...they try to mix it up, just like pearl jam do!
  • Manstis1604Manstis1604 Posts: 99
    MKTerp wrote:
    So I saw them at the Beacon Theater last night. I'm a casual fan - I really just know the hits and whatever is on The Road Goes on Forever collection. I only knew 1 song that they played last night - Dreams. Well they played Manic Depression and Dazed and Confused, which was awesome. I love guitar solos as much as anyone, but the show was basically one long jam session, which got boring after awhile - I just wanted to finally hear Whipping Post or Midnight Rider or something. Amazing musicians, but just an overall disappointing experience for me, since it was my 1 time seeing the Allman Bros.

    I'm looking at some of the recent setlists, and it looks like they played more hits. So maybe it was more of a "rarities" night. Can any hardcore Allman fans weigh in on this?
    They've been pretty crap ever since Duane Allman died. Anything with him is awesome, and the stuff without him is hit or miss. And now they're not even worth seeing.
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    laudenum wrote:
    they were were waaaaay better back when duanne allman was playing ,
    plus i dont even think betts is with the band now?
    anyway,if you could have seen them when it was"live at the fillmore"
    it was quite an ..experience.

    i agree. they kicked out betts but still play his songs as far as i know..
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  • endlessparadeendlessparade Posts: 99
    Manstis1604 wrote:
    They've been pretty crap ever since Duane Allman died. Anything with him is awesome, and the stuff without him is hit or miss. And now they're not even worth seeing.


    did you even listen to/buy hittin the note?

    do you even know who derek trucks is?

    how about warren haynes?

    hmmmft !!!
  • hendrix78hendrix78 Posts: 507
    endlessparade wrote:
    did you even listen to/buy hittin the note?

    do you even know who derek trucks is?

    how about warren haynes?

    hmmmft !!!


    Exactly. The haters obviously have no idea what the band is like now.

    I don't think they play Betts's songs any more. At least they haven't when I've seen them.
  • endlessparadeendlessparade Posts: 99
    hendrix78 wrote:
    Exactly. The haters obviously have no idea what the band is like now.

    I don't think they play Betts's songs any more. At least they haven't when I've seen them.

    ya it's always funny to me to see comments like "ya they ain't no good with dickey or duane anymore" lmao...it's pretty obvious, at least to me that the band is currently firing on all cylinders...that is not to say dickey and duane aren't amazing, but, between warren and derek they really have a lot going for them, these dayz

    i'm almost positive the current line up does liz reed and um jessica, but for sure they ain't doing ramblin man! lol
  • laudenumlaudenum Posts: 405
    endlessparade wrote:
    ya it's always funny to me to see comments like "ya they ain't no good with dickey or duane anymore" lmao...it's pretty obvious, at least to me that the band is currently firing on all cylinders...that is not to say dickey and duane aren't amazing, but, between warren and derek they really have a lot going for them, these dayz

    i'm almost positive the current line up does liz reed and um jessica, but for sure they ain't doing ramblin man! lol
    did u see the original line up?
    what is your basis for comparisson?
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  • endlessparadeendlessparade Posts: 99
    laudenum wrote:
    did u see the original line up?
    what is your basis for comparisson?

    um no i didnt see duane play live and i really don't have to see anyone live(original or new line up) to be able to form an opinion

    it's all in the tapes, man

    i've seen dickey play in the band many times though, if that counts for anything...as much as i love dickey's tone, warren has got him beat by a mile...and well um derek is well um...fucking amazing!!!
  • hendrix78hendrix78 Posts: 507
    laudenum wrote:
    did u see the original line up?
    what is your basis for comparisson?


    I never saw the original lineup, but I've heard plenty of shows. I don't think anyone here is arguing that Duane was anything less than amazing. He is one of the best guitarists of all time, and it's true the band will never be the same without him.

    That doesn't mean that the current lineup doesn't kick a lot of ass, though. I don't see how anyone can claim that Derek and Warren aren't worth listeneing to. They are awesome. Both lineups are great and I don't see why fans can't enjoy both without disparaiging one or the other.
  • Manstis1604Manstis1604 Posts: 99
    endlessparade wrote:
    did you even listen to/buy hittin the note?

    do you even know who derek trucks is?

    how about warren haynes?

    hmmmft !!!
    I don't care how good Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes are, I don't want to see another wankfest between those two.
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