Soundgarden Is Perfect
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At what they did. At that "type" of music they can't be topped. Perfect sound, perfect songs. And its my favorite "type".
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You are correct, sir! Far and away the most technically proficient of the fab 4 grunge bands.
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superunknown, down on the upside and loduer than love are also just top notch
Amen!
mmmm, no. of the "fab 4" grunge bands, McCready is far and away the best and most technically talented guitarist, followed by Cantrell. Grohl was the best drummer. and PJ, AIC, and Nirvana ALL had bassists who were better than Sheppard. Cornell could hit the high spots and the low spots, so he was a technically sound singer, but none of them could get the vocal harmonies going like Cantrell and Staley.
I love Soundgarden, but it's just flat out wrong to say they were the most "technically proficient", because they weren't even close.
sorry man.. but "technically"..I think it's the other way around..
just my opinion.. and btw.. i love Mr. McCready!!!
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"technical" means the expert use of fundamentals. such as theory, technique, etc. McCready wins that, hands down. now if you were to say "which one is better at being experimental", then yeah, Thayil would win. but there'd be little doubt amongst most people that McCready is definitely the better "technical" player.
Where are you getting this from dude. I mean its completely debateble whether as you say McCreedy is the more technically talented guitarist. The guitar work on tracks like "fell on black days" and "Like suicide" seems pretty damn impressive to me. And not enough credit is given to Thayil for the use of all those wierd tunnings.
Grohl> Cameron? No I don't think so. Just cause you mix the drums loud don't make the drummer any better.
I don't know enough about bass playing but I always saw Shepherd as a band strength rather than a guy just simply doing his job.
In what way does "jesus Christ Pose" or "4 th of july" sound like any PJ song? Maybe you should listen to more than just A-sides.
I would take guitar, bass, drums, and vocals from PJ and Nirvana over anyone from Soundgarden
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Well thats your opinion. But credit where credit is due I feel because SG pushed the envelope harder than any other band from Seattle - their last three albums cross three differant genres and they all kick ass IMO (and the critics). You can't do that unless you are extremely talented technically.
Thayil is a great guitarist, don't get me wrong. but he is definitely from the "more with less" school of playing. the guitar work in both those songs you mentioned, as well as most of Soundgarden's songs, is pretty elementary. if you did a side by side comparison, I'm convinced that either McCready or Cantrell would play Thayil off the stage. to say one is "better" than the other is subjective. but to say that Thayil is more "technically proficient" is just flat wrong. it's NOT really debatable to say who's more technically sound in their playing. Hendrix gets the most votes probably for being the "greatest" guitarist, but there are a ton of guitarists who were more "technical" that Hendrix. and that's what I'm saying....McCready IS more "technically proficient" than Thayil.
Nirvana was about raw energy, and Grohl's drumming brought that out more than anything. I'm sure Cameron is a fine drummer, but there is nothing he's ever done that's stood out to me. Grohl DROVE songs home. Dave A did the same thing when he was in PJ. but I've never heard anything from Cameron to make me say, "damn that's some good drumming".
I'm not a musician so I can only make pretty vague comparisons. I agree that Cameron's drumming is very subtle and not as in your face as Grohl's.That the production on BMF is so shit really takes away from how incredible Cameron's drumming is. Having watched Cornell performing SG songs with a different drummer it is apparent how essential Cameron was to the mix especially on 'JCP' and 'Burden in my hand' which without him have lost a layer of complexity. I don't think that changing drummers would (has) noticably affected the other three bands (maybe Nirvana) because they wern't reliant on odd time signatures. BTW PJ has improved with Matt C.
the only bad thing I read was that Cornell was piss about the financial situation because he was giving too much percentages of the songs' revenue to the other three members even though he who wrote majority of the band's songs.
I think i read that awhile back when A&M record was up for sale.
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That was an Audisolave rumour, as it happens untrue also. Alot of people out to bring Cornell down these days by any means possible :(
I agree awsome band. Although I do think they were at their peak with Badmotorfinger, that is easily their best record. From start to finish it rocks hard without losing melody.
Superunkown, good record, but overated.
Down on the upside is also good, but then again not as good as the previous two.
Were they the most technically proficient grunge band...I don't know, but it's definitely a toss up between PJ, AIC and SG.
I think Mike is/was the best guitarist of the lot
Matt the best drummer
Ed and Chris a tie for vocals...Chris has more range, but Ed seemed to pack more emotion and feeling into his.
Ed's lyrics? I might be biased but Eddie had the most compelling lyrics of all.
Bass? It's a hard one, all the bassists from each group are probably about even, neither stands out.
All this talk about the 4 grunge bands and that isn't exactly the "type" I was talking about. I mean hard, agressive, something type rock that would include AIC and Nirvana and many more like ACDC, Black Sabbath and Pantera, and Metallica and Korn and so many others. I love many of those band (esp AIC), but get the most enjoyment out of Soundgarden. Of my top five: PJ, SG, RH, LZ, Neil, RHCP, AIC. I would only consider SG and AIC to be of the "type" I'm thinking of. PJ is more with LZ, RH, RHCP, Neil, Stones, GnR, ect. because it slightly lighter and less aggressive. Don't know if I could pick an absolute fav between PJ, SG, and RH. So, I wan't comparing SG to PJ - chill out dudes.
AND actually after posting this I realize that my favorite "type" overall may be more of the less agressive PJ style then SG's style, But SG still did their style the BEST.
Ultimate grunge line up: there's a very interesting, useless topic, may be for me:
vocals - Cornell, with Ved on back up and Staley occasionally featured
guitar - Gossard, McCready, Cantrell, Thail (I'll take them all)
Bass - Inez
Drums - how can you decide between Cameron and Groll, plus Kinney is so unique
Cobain could do some guest writing. I guess the only position I'm sure about is the bass. Ament is still top notch though.
wait, Cameron - for sure.
Don't think it's untrue. In fact, didn't he actually confirm it on the Howard Stern show?
I know it could have been because of 'creative differences' but...when you listen to Carry On, all of the songs have exactly the same structures, there's no experimentation and even some of the guitar solos sound like Tom Morello. I'm sure "No Such Thing" could have been an Audioslave B-Side.
I prefer Thayil over McCready. I don't know who is the best, 'technical' wise but who gives a shit. Nobody seems to have come close to sounding like Soundgarden, whereas other bands have made a career out of sounding like Pearl Jam. Not Pearl Jams fault but still.
You sir, are clearly not a musician. I didn't suggest anything that the boys in PJ and AIC wouldn't agree to. I don't care which bands you prefer, but SG easily wrote the most complicated material (not that any of them really wrote that complex of material). SG's use of crazy ass time signatures and bizarre tunings is where they stand above the other bands. McCready uses elementry dynamics when playing although he kicks ass within that limited range.
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I understand the Pearl Jam dynamic is different but man I loved the way everyone fit toegther in Soundgarden and especially what Matt did on the drums. What a great band...especially live. They all added their own piece, it was almost neuvo psycadelic(sp) The last 3 albums are phenominal but Loud Love has good stuff too. and Ultramega OK has potential, you can see the improvement album to album.
That was my first big show.
Soundgarden was great; Badmotorfinger is one of the best albums of all time and easily their best. Are they grunge, no. However, either is PJ or AIC.
Grohl is actually maybe the worst drummer of the big Seattle bands. Matt is the best by far.
Cornell has the most range, but his lyrics are very weak and his voice can be annoying. Also, he is pretty annoying in concert.
Shephard is a great bassist and maybe the best from the bands.
Most of Soundgarden pre-Badmotorfinger is terrible. After that, Superunknown and DOTUS are great, but not the best albums ever.
McCready is better and technically better than the bearded beast.
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