Rap stars flaunt $$, rock stars don't

Deaderman

Rap stars flaunt their bling...and rockstars just sell the rights to their songs to commercials....you just don't see them signing the contracts..

Echoes

Hahah I love watching people who know dick all about rap talk shit about it.

Deaderman

Echoes wrote:

Hahah I love watching people who kniow dick all about rap talk shit about it.

*clears throat* A-Men.

lukins fridge

Thumbing My Way wrote:

I'm sorry but i think that rap is the absolute lowest form of music, and that these mindless, untalented (artists??...ya right) people flaunt that because they have no real perception on what music is all about. They do it for the fame and money and crap, and i mean sure if that comes along with it, and an honest rock band can make a living than great. But to get into it for that reason is wrong.

but they're not the only ones that do that...it's just they have that attitude and demeanor that threatens you. mariah carey, brittney spears, jessica simpson, the "punk" bands i see on mtv...they all do it for the same things you mention: money, fame. it's a popularity contest based around $. don't hate rappers for that stuff, they just flaunt it a littel more...but all the no talent crap you hear on FM radio and MTV functions on the same premise.

and not all rap is crap. there are real musicians out there that do care about the music and care about WHO listens to their music (the roots, jurassic 5, de la soul, a tribe called quest...to name a few).

D Lo Brown

Thumbing My Way wrote:

Rock & Roll takes talent (real rock & roll)

These rapper's are not talented!!! i don't understand how people can't see this.

Every fuckin song is about the same thing, and it is all shit!!!!!!!!There is probably 3, maybe 4 different categories a rapper can sing a song about:

Having Sex.....good one...does there have to be a "club" mentioned in every song???

Drugs
Their cars, money and houses (jewelry too...can't forget that)
Or maybe i dunno trying to act tough in their lyrics while they're sitting up in their huge house and shit...

I'm sorry but i think that rap is the absolute lowest form of music, and that these mindless, untalented (artists??...ya right) people flaunt that because they have no real perception on what music is all about. They do it for the fame and money and crap, and i mean sure if that comes along with it, and an honest rock band can make a living than great. But to get into it for that reason is wrong.

you're pretty much off base with every single thing you say here.

Jellyrolls

I agree that most artists today can't rap as well as the older ones, but to call them talentless is ignorant.

pieceofdust

Thumbing My Way wrote:

Rock & Roll takes talent (real rock & roll)

These rapper's are not talented!!! i don't understand how people can't see this.

Every fuckin song is about the same thing, and it is all shit!!!!!!!!There is probably 3, maybe 4 different categories a rapper can sing a song about:

Having Sex.....good one...does there have to be a "club" mentioned in every song???

Drugs
Their cars, money and houses (jewelry too...can't forget that)
Or maybe i dunno trying to act tough in their lyrics while they're sitting up in their huge house and shit...

I'm sorry but i think that rap is the absolute lowest form of music, and that these mindless, untalented (artists??...ya right) people flaunt that because they have no real perception on what music is all about. They do it for the fame and money and crap, and i mean sure if that comes along with it, and an honest rock band can make a living than great. But to get into it for that reason is wrong.

Based off of this post I gather you are only a casual observer of rap. I gather this because you seem to address only mainstream rap. There is plenty of rap out there that is not on MTV or BET and is actually highly educated and articulate. You saying these things is like someone taking a look at mainstream rock (nickleback etc etc) and saying it sucks.

Thumbing My Way

D Lo Brown wrote:

you're pretty much off base with every single thing you say here.

Off base??

Ok. well thanks for your two cents...seeing as you explained your post so well....

Thumbing My Way

pieceofdust wrote:

Based off of this post I gather you are only a casual observer of rap. I gather this because you seem to address only mainstream rap. There is plenty of rap out there that is not on MTV or BET and is actually highly educated and articulate. You saying these things is like someone taking a look at mainstream rock (nickleback etc etc) and saying it sucks.

O.K. pieceofdust that's fair enough

Tell me some of the stuff your talking about then, rappers that aren't mainstream:

I like ATribe Called Quest???

Echoes

The ignorance in your post speaks for itself, TMY. Refuting blanket generalizations about a genre the poster clearly knows nothing about is not a hard thing to do (Apologies on the grammar), so hard in fact, that it isn't necessary to point out the fallacies in your argument, and the grotesque lack of perpective in your opinion.

There are many things wrong with it, and most of them start with your use of the universal quantifier.

Thumbing My Way

Echoes wrote:

The ignorance in your post speaks for itself, TMY. Refuting blanket generalizations about a genre the poster clearly knows nothing about is not a hard thing to do (Apologies on the grammar), so hard in fact, that it isn't necessary to point out the fallacies in your argument, and the grotesque lack of perpective in your opinion.

There are many things wrong with it, and most of them start with your use of the universal quantifier.

Who is this directed at???

The original poster??

Brisk.

yeh, i reckon that rock is talented, and i guess some rap is, though rock i reckon more, as you got voaclists,guitar and drums and whatever else you want and write the lyrics, but rapper is just lyricsi guess and catchy tune

anyway, mainstream rap isn't skill as i think they are just chosen on their looks, tbh if someone gave me mainstream rap lyrcsi, i'll rap them same as 50 cent, he was just chosen of looks

but iam just saying this for mainstream, i dont know anything really about underground rap

lamperti77

Has anyone not learned anything from MC Hammer? Sure he has somewhat turned his life around, but I'm sure if he didn't spend it like a moron he and his family would be better off.

Some of these rap artists spend money like it is going out of style. Their thought process seems to be spend it as long as it comes in. Others, for example, like 50 cent and Russell Simmons, Jay-Z, Diddy, etc. have built lucrative businesses doing other things. Baffles me to think that some of these 20 year old rappers can afford to drop over 300m on a Rolls and still have enough money put away that will carry them forward when their "careers" are gone. Seems like some of them have a false sense of security and think the money will always be rolling in.

This is also assuming they are actually purchasing these cars and homes when most likely they have more debt than cash.

D Lo Brown

Thumbing My Way wrote:

Off base??

Ok. well thanks for your two cents...seeing as you explained your post so well....

Trust me, it really wouldn't be that difficult to refute such well thought out statements such as:

"Every fuckin song is about the same thing, and it is all shit!"

"These rapper's are not talented!"

"There is probably 3, maybe 4 different categories a rapper can sing a song "about"

But what would be the point? You clearly see the world through broad generalizations and stereotypes - and I'm not so sure anything I say will change that.

D Lo Brown

lamperti77 wrote:

Has anyone not learned anything from MC Hammer? Sure he has somewhat turned his life around, but I'm sure if he didn't spend it like a moron he and his family would be better off.

Some of these rap artists spend money like it is going out of style. Their thought process seems to be spend it as long as it comes in. Others, for example, like 50 cent and Russell Simmons, Jay-Z, Diddy, etc. have built lucrative businesses doing other things. Baffles me to think that some of these 20 year old rappers can afford to drop over 300m on a Rolls and still have enough money put away that will carry them forward when their "careers" are gone. Seems like some of them have a false sense of security and think the money will always be rolling in.

This is also assuming they are actually purchasing these cars and homes when most likely they have more debt than cash.

Plenty of rock artists have squandered their money. So have athletes, bankers, garbage men, and school teachers.

Pearl Jam and toast

rock star's do... not good ones... but they do..

think..

hair metal..

*shudders*

is this the hair metal era of rap?

it's certianly annoying enough to be..

psycosmic

I BrisK I wrote:

anyway, mainstream rap isn't skill as i think they are just chosen on their looks, tbh if someone gave me mainstream rap lyrcsi, i'll rap them same as 50 cent, he was just chosen of looks

i'm not a fan of fiddy, not at all... but i'd actually like to see you rap better than him


seriously though, as someone pointed out earlier on, saying rap sucks based on the mainstream hip-hop on mtv is like saying rock music is crap when you only know good charlotte... i'd actually agree with this statement then... mainstream rock that's only marketed at teenage girls does suck big time...

but being a rapper and producing a good hip-hop track requires lots of skill, just like making good rock music...
there are lots of awfull rap lyrics about guns, cars and bitches but there are also many mindless "i'm so angry" rock lyrics or boring conventional love songs...
if you're looking for more than that in rock music you just have to dig a little bit deeper... it's the same with good rap... it's there, you'll just have to look a little bit harder...

El Riot Actor

Saying that all rappers are about $$$$ and bling bling is like saying all rock bands are like Creed or even worst.... There are plenty of rap and hip hop bands that sing about the devils and currpotion of the system and talk about things worth paying attention to.

lamperti77

D Lo Brown wrote:

Plenty of rock artists have squandered their money. So have athletes, bankers, garbage men, and school teachers.

as for athletes, orientations are held for rookies to help with planning, business managers, etc...

too many kids look up to their lifestyle (athletes and musicians). almost makes me sick to watch how these people just piss away their money. it's a shame they won't realize what they had until it's gone.

Three Crooked Hearts

StuffnJunk wrote:

so i was watching a show on 50 cent and he was saying "i'll stick around as long as they'll pay to see me"............and i thought about eddie vedder, a bit of a difference in opinion...........rap stars cover themselves in jewelry, have their own power drink, have their own video game, MAKE VIDEOS FOR MTV, flaunt their houses and cars, etc etc etc......and it adds to their credibility............yet rock stars (aside from 80's cheese metal) go to great lengths to hide it, they are almost ashamed by success, and avoid overexposure

is it a white/black thing?

white liberal guilt?

people from the ghetto who get rich want the world to know about it?

middle class whites who get rich miss.....,uh, middle class stuff?

ive never had much of a problem of these 50 cents characters flaunting their material possesions. the way i look at it is that lots of these individuals grew up in the ghettos, surrounded by poverty and violence, and without that much. if you make it out of the cycle, why not flaunt it and make as much as you can? 50 cent knows he'll never be an legitimate artist accept by the music community, but right now can make loads of money he never imagined growing up. they're making their money off white middle class surburban kids and laughing it up. how's that for irony?

middle class is bewildered by these "thugs" and "gangsters" while their kids write their checks. and the best part? the kids who have clue or preception what any of them are singing about.