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1STmammal2wearPants1STmammal2wearPants Worcester, MA Posts: 2,939
edited June 2007 in Other Music
you're out of you're fucking mind and need to see a doctor!!!!
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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    My name is FinsburyParkCarrots and I approve of the above message.
  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    1STmammal2wearPants wrote:
    you're out of you're fucking mind and need to see a doctor!!!!
    seriously dude... i agree. i've never heard anybody saying the beatles are overrated. i thought everybody liked the beatles.
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  • The DarknessThe Darkness Posts: 41
    I'd never heard anybody say that The Beatles were overrated until.......I ventured over to a U2 fan site (atu2.com) and was shocked to hear a great number of people arguing that U2 is in fact a greater band than the Beatles.

    Next to the Beatles and Bob Dylan, everybody else in the rock music pantheon is a second class act. That's not an insult, it's simply reality. Without John, Paul, George, Ringo and Bob, rock music would be a very different, and not as good, animal from what we know now.
    I've got to admit, it's getting better.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,936
    1STmammal2wearPants wrote:
    you're out of you're fucking mind and need to see a doctor!!!!


    why even start man? you're just going to bring out the haters. fuck them though. they are out of their minds and do need a doctor. Dr. Robert perhaps

    I'm listening to Helter Skelter take 2 from the Anthology as we speak. God I'd love to hear take 3, the legendary 27 min take. the holy grail. that and the Carnival of Light would make a nice little A/B side for the Beatles to put out wouldn't you think?
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    The Darkness wrote:
    U2 is in fact a greater band than the Beatles.
    hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,936
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha

    you're taking The Darkness' quote out of context putting just "U2 is in fact a greater band than the Beatles." he was talking about what he saw on a U2 site. I'm sorry but I can't stand around and let a man's good name be slandered like that
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  • deadnothingbetterdeadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    you're taking The Darkness' quote out of context putting just "U2 is in fact a greater band than the Beatles." he was talking about what he saw on a U2 site. I'm sorry but I can't stand around and let a man's good name be slandered like that
    i think you're the one taking it out of context. i only quoted that part just to prove my point.
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  • tonadaxtonadax Posts: 594
    The Darkness wrote:
    I'd never heard anybody say that The Beatles were overrated until.......I ventured over to a U2 fan site (atu2.com) and was shocked to hear a great number of people arguing that U2 is in fact a greater band than the Beatles.

    Next to the Beatles and Bob Dylan, everybody else in the rock music pantheon is a second class act. That's not an insult, it's simply reality. Without John, Paul, George, Ringo and Bob, rock music would be a very different, and not as good, animal from what we know now.


    i think chuck berry and many others guys deserve a little bit of that fame the beatles has.... beatles were big influenced by them...
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    tonadax wrote:
    i think chuck berry and many others guys deserve a little bit of that fame the beatles has.... beatles were big influenced by them...
    they dont deserve at little, they deserve all the credit in the world. the only reason why the beatles and elvis get credit for is cause there white
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  • The DarknessThe Darkness Posts: 41
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    they dont deserve at little, they deserve all the credit in the world. the only reason why the beatles and elvis get credit for is cause there white

    No doubt, Chuck Berry and Little Richard deserve a lot of credit, but do they have nearly the catalogue of great songs that The Beatles or Dylan have? Just look at what The Beatles and Dylan did with that influence. No one else stands close.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    The Darkness wrote:
    I'd never heard anybody say that The Beatles were overrated until.......I ventured over to a U2 fan site (atu2.com) and was shocked to hear a great number of people arguing that U2 is in fact a greater band than the Beatles.

    Next to the Beatles and Bob Dylan, everybody else in the rock music pantheon is a second class act. That's not an insult, it's simply reality. Without John, Paul, George, Ringo and Bob, rock music would be a very different, and not as good, animal from what we know now.

    Add Jimi to that list, and then we're talkin'.
  • trappedinmyradiotrappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    The Darkness wrote:
    Without John, Paul, George, Ringo and Bob, rock music would be a very different, and not as good, animal from what we know now.

    See, this is what I can agree with...I will not say that they are overrated...but, I don't like them all that much...I could do without them in my musical collection.
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  • The DarknessThe Darkness Posts: 41
    Yeah, hearing about how great these guys are for year after year is a bit like being told to eat your vegetables because they're so good for you. But they're still good for you!
    I've got to admit, it's getting better.
  • Alex_CoeAlex_Coe Posts: 762
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Add Jimi to that list, and then we're talkin'.


    I think we could get along without Jimi. Yeah he was good-maybe the best guitarist- but he didn't create a new supergenre. As far as I know. If you have some proof to the contrary, show it...
  • trappedinmyradiotrappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    Alex_Coe wrote:
    I think we could get along without Jimi. Yeah he was good-maybe the best guitarist- but he didn't create a new supergenre. As far as I know. If you have some proof to the contrary, show it...

    how the hell did the beatles create a "supergenre"?
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  • glasshouseglasshouse Posts: 1,762
    i must admit i am one of those who gets irritated by constantly hearing/reading about the superiority of the beatles and their music.

    but, there probably is a very strong case for that exact argument.

    anycase offcourse i love the beatles, but they're not my favorite band.
    definately not
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  • BlyssBlyss Posts: 166
    I never really understood why they are rated as highly as they are put it that way. They are one of those bands that i respect, but i just don't really listen to. I think it's the singing at times i don't like singing in unison.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Alex_Coe wrote:
    I think we could get along without Jimi. Yeah he was good-maybe the best guitarist- but he didn't create a new supergenre. As far as I know. If you have some proof to the contrary, show it...

    Jimi invented rock. I'm not talking about rock and roll, or pop. I'm talking about overdriven hard rock. Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton and Keith Richards had all toyed with fuzztone, but nobody consolidated blues playing with guitar and amplification technology like Jimi. Listen to Are You Experienced, his first LP, and look what else was in the charts at the time. The album was only kept off the top spot by Sgt Pepper. There was nobody at all doing what Jimi was doing, at all.

    Jimi almost singlehandedly invented fusion. John McLaughlin, Miles Davis and Larry Young knew this: they all jammed with him.

    Jimi was the main force in popularising psychedelic rock. Not The Beatles, not Syd-era Floyd, not Jefferson Airplane. Jimi. Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane hit the top five on the strength of being a Beatles release. A lot of people hated the release. Purple Haze, on the other hand, was Jimi's second single, and got into the top three because of the sensation it caused at the time in England.

    Jimi was the first person to combine soul with white rock to a significant degree. Clapton couldn't even begin to play little solos such as the one for Remember, perhaps the slightest track on Are You Experienced, back in 1967.

    Without Jimi, there would have been no Sly, no Funkadelic. No War.

    Jimi had a major influence on rap. He played on Doriella du Fontaine, with The Last Poets. Wikipedia them to find out their influence.


    The importance of the Band of Gypsies album can't be understated, again for many of the above reasons.

    Jimi was the first major recording artist to become an established stadium act. The Beatles had played at Shea Stadium, but Jimi was the first real crowd-pulling, regular-gigging superstar of the rock era. (There's lots to back this up. Research Concerts East and Concerts West.)

    Jimi was the first major rock-star producer. He produced albums for the Buddy Miles Express, Cat Mother and Eire Apparent.

    If anything, Jimi's more important than anybody, even The Beatles, because his music extends far more genuinely into classical music, contemporary electronic music and jazz. Where The Beatles with George Martin explored their aeolian cadences and orchestral scores, Jimi created sonic arrangements and exquisite chordal structures far beyond the musical and imaginative realms of contemporary popular music in the age.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/sevenages/programmes/the-birth-of-rock/
  • reeferchiefreeferchief Posts: 3,569
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Jimi invented rock. I'm not talking about rock and roll, or pop. I'm talking about overdriven hard rock. Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton and Keith Richards had all toyed with fuzztone, but nobody consolidated blues playing with guitar and amplification technology like Jimi. Listen to Are You Experienced, his first LP, and look what else was in the charts at the time. The album was only kept off the top spot by Sgt Pepper. There was nobody at all doing what Jimi was doing, at all.

    Jimi almost singlehandedly invented fusion. John McLaughlin, Miles Davis and Larry Young knew this: they all jammed with him.

    Jimi was the main force in popularising psychedelic rock. Not The Beatles, not Syd-era Floyd, not Jefferson Airplane. Jimi. Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane hit the top five on the strength of being a Beatles release. A lot of people hated the release. Purple Haze, on the other hand, was Jimi's second single, and got into the top three because of the sensation it caused at the time in England.

    Jimi was the first person to combine soul with white rock to a significant degree. Clapton couldn't even begin to play little solos such as the one for Remember, perhaps the slightest track on Are You Experienced, back in 1967.

    Without Jimi, there would have been no Sly, no Funkadelic. No War.

    Jimi had a major influence on rap. He played on Doriella du Fontaine, with The Last Poets. Wikipedia them to find out their influence.


    The importance of the Band of Gypsies album can't be understated, again for many of the above reasons.

    Jimi was the first major recording artist to become an established stadium act. The Beatles had played at Shea Stadium, but Jimi was the first real crowd-pulling, regular-gigging superstar of the rock era. (There's lots to back this up. Research Concerts East and Concerts West.)

    Jimi was the first major rock-star producer. He produced albums for the Buddy Miles Express, Cat Mother and Eire Apparent.

    If anything, Jimi's more important than anybody, even The Beatles, because his music extends far more genuinely into classical music, contemporary electronic music and jazz. Where The Beatles with George Martin explored their aeolian cadences and orchestral scores, Jimi created sonic arrangements and exquisite chordal structures far beyond the musical and imaginative realms of contemporary popular music in the age.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/sevenages/programmes/the-birth-of-rock/

    Jimi was awesome.
    I am not a fan of the Beatles, not saying they are overrated just that I dont like them, Jimi I could listen to all day, the man is a fucking genius and severly underrated by many.:)
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    reeferchief wrote:
    Jimi was awesome.
    I am not a fan of the Beatles, not saying they are overrated just that I dont like them, Jimi I could listen to all day, the man is a fucking genius and severly underrated by many.:)


    that explains why you dont like oasis. theyre always ripping off the beatles. or at least trying to. LMAO!!! ;):D:p
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    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Jimi invented rock. I'm not talking about rock and roll, or pop. I'm talking about overdriven hard rock. Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton and Keith Richards had all toyed with fuzztone, but nobody consolidated blues playing with guitar and amplification technology like Jimi. Listen to Are You Experienced, his first LP, and look what else was in the charts at the time. The album was only kept off the top spot by Sgt Pepper. There was nobody at all doing what Jimi was doing, at all.

    Jimi almost singlehandedly invented fusion. John McLaughlin, Miles Davis and Larry Young knew this: they all jammed with him.

    Jimi was the main force in popularising psychedelic rock. Not The Beatles, not Syd-era Floyd, not Jefferson Airplane. Jimi. Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane hit the top five on the strength of being a Beatles release. A lot of people hated the release. Purple Haze, on the other hand, was Jimi's second single, and got into the top three because of the sensation it caused at the time in England.

    Jimi was the first person to combine soul with white rock to a significant degree. Clapton couldn't even begin to play little solos such as the one for Remember, perhaps the slightest track on Are You Experienced, back in 1967.

    Without Jimi, there would have been no Sly, no Funkadelic. No War.

    Jimi had a major influence on rap. He played on Doriella du Fontaine, with The Last Poets. Wikipedia them to find out their influence.


    The importance of the Band of Gypsies album can't be understated, again for many of the above reasons.

    Jimi was the first major recording artist to become an established stadium act. The Beatles had played at Shea Stadium, but Jimi was the first real crowd-pulling, regular-gigging superstar of the rock era. (There's lots to back this up. Research Concerts East and Concerts West.)

    Jimi was the first major rock-star producer. He produced albums for the Buddy Miles Express, Cat Mother and Eire Apparent.

    If anything, Jimi's more important than anybody, even The Beatles, because his music extends far more genuinely into classical music, contemporary electronic music and jazz. Where The Beatles with George Martin explored their aeolian cadences and orchestral scores, Jimi created sonic arrangements and exquisite chordal structures far beyond the musical and imaginative realms of contemporary popular music in the age.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/sevenages/programmes/the-birth-of-rock/

    Id put Jimi before the Beatles. If people criticise MY PERSONAL OPINION, they are the ones that need a doctor. I dont mind the Beatles, but cant be bothered with people telling me who is under rated and over rated.
    People say im paranoid. Well, they dont say it, but i know that's what they are thinking.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    reeferchief wrote:
    Jimi was awesome.
    I am not a fan of the Beatles, not saying they are overrated just that I dont like them, Jimi I could listen to all day, the man is a fucking genius and severly underrated by many.:)


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJS8Z6dZWNQ

    Watch this and follow the links for the further installments.


    Here's a documentary all about the making of a "supergenre". :D
  • reeferchiefreeferchief Posts: 3,569
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJS8Z6dZWNQ

    Watch this and follow the links for the further installments.


    Here's a documentary all about the making of a "supergenre". :D

    Totally kick arse as if I needed anymore proof;), thanks for the link fins.:)
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  • ArctangentArctangent Posts: 614
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    seriously dude... i agree. i've never heard anybody saying the beatles are overrated. i thought everybody liked the beatles.

    no, not everyone like the beatles. i can't stand them. and i don't need to see my fucking doctor, as i really don't want to cured of not liking them thanks. and i do think they were over-rated. pink floyd were a far more creative and better psychadlic band than the beatles ever were.
  • Alex_CoeAlex_Coe Posts: 762
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Jimi invented rock. I'm not talking about rock and roll, or pop. I'm talking about overdriven hard rock. Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton and Keith Richards had all toyed with fuzztone, but nobody consolidated blues playing with guitar and amplification technology like Jimi. Listen to Are You Experienced, his first LP, and look what else was in the charts at the time. The album was only kept off the top spot by Sgt Pepper. There was nobody at all doing what Jimi was doing, at all.

    Jimi almost singlehandedly invented fusion. John McLaughlin, Miles Davis and Larry Young knew this: they all jammed with him.

    Jimi was the main force in popularising psychedelic rock. Not The Beatles, not Syd-era Floyd, not Jefferson Airplane. Jimi. Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane hit the top five on the strength of being a Beatles release. A lot of people hated the release. Purple Haze, on the other hand, was Jimi's second single, and got into the top three because of the sensation it caused at the time in England.

    Jimi was the first person to combine soul with white rock to a significant degree. Clapton couldn't even begin to play little solos such as the one for Remember, perhaps the slightest track on Are You Experienced, back in 1967.

    Without Jimi, there would have been no Sly, no Funkadelic. No War.

    Jimi had a major influence on rap. He played on Doriella du Fontaine, with The Last Poets. Wikipedia them to find out their influence.


    The importance of the Band of Gypsies album can't be understated, again for many of the above reasons.

    Jimi was the first major recording artist to become an established stadium act. The Beatles had played at Shea Stadium, but Jimi was the first real crowd-pulling, regular-gigging superstar of the rock era. (There's lots to back this up. Research Concerts East and Concerts West.)

    Jimi was the first major rock-star producer. He produced albums for the Buddy Miles Express, Cat Mother and Eire Apparent.

    If anything, Jimi's more important than anybody, even The Beatles, because his music extends far more genuinely into classical music, contemporary electronic music and jazz. Where The Beatles with George Martin explored their aeolian cadences and orchestral scores, Jimi created sonic arrangements and exquisite chordal structures far beyond the musical and imaginative realms of contemporary popular music in the age.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/sevenages/programmes/the-birth-of-rock/


    As soon as you mentioned psychadelia, I went : ouch :

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  • voodoopugvoodoopug Posts: 1,011
    Keep in mind, whilst the Beatles opened the door for British bands, The Stones came in behind them and kicked the door down. I don't care for most of the Beatles songs, but will acknowledge they played an important role in pop music. The Beatles and even the Stones (also see: Jimi, Clapton, etc) don't create their sound without the true pioneers of rock music:

    Chuck Berry
    Little Richard
    Muddy Waters
    Robert Johnson
    Elmore James
    Buddy Holly (yes, Buddy Holly, ever heard of a Fender Stratocaster...guess who was the first mainstream act to use one)
    There's Pearl Jam, The Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry, Robert Johnson......and then everybody else.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,936
    voodoopug wrote:
    Keep in mind, whilst the Beatles opened the door for British bands, The Stones came in behind them and kicked the door down. I don't care for most of the Beatles songs, but will acknowledge they played an important role in pop music. The Beatles and even the Stones (also see: Jimi, Clapton, etc) don't create their sound without the true pioneers of rock music:

    Chuck Berry
    Little Richard
    Muddy Waters
    Robert Johnson
    Elmore James
    Buddy Holly (yes, Buddy Holly, ever heard of a Fender Stratocaster...guess who was the first mainstream act to use one)

    Elmore James got nothing on this baby.
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