Al Jourgansen and Paul Barker from Ministry along with Jello Biafra. “Forkboy” was on the Natural Born Killers Soundtrack and is also on “The Last Temptation of Reid”; an awesome album.
They did 2 albums and I loved them both. The Power of Lard and The Last Temptation of Reid! I never did listen to Pure Chewing Satisfaction...
Al Jourgansen and Paul Barker from Ministry along with Jello Biafra. “Forkboy” was on the Natural Born Killers Soundtrack and is also on “The Last Temptation of Reid”; an awesome album.
They did 2 albums and I loved them both. The Power of Lard and The Last Temptation of Reid! I never did listen to Pure Chewing Satisfaction...
Al Jourgansen and Paul Barker from Ministry along with Jello Biafra. “Forkboy” was on the Natural Born Killers Soundtrack and is also on “The Last Temptation of Reid”; an awesome album.
They did 2 albums and I loved them both. The Power of Lard and The Last Temptation of Reid! I never did listen to Pure Chewing Satisfaction...
This is one is pretty entertaining too:
Might as well post his stuff w Chumba Wumba, nomeansno and Mojo Nixon too!
I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,304
I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
I don't know how you define "very good" but I would never describe Dead Moon as a polished band. Their grit, soul, and spirited performance is what makes them a great band. It's no surprise that Vedder described seeing them as one of the highlights of a life time of seeing live music. I totally get that. But, sure, it's not for everyone.
What I mean regarding Fugazi is that they never showed any interst in becoming popular or going corporate rock. Of course, that goes with out saying, right guys?
"You really need to ask that?"
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
I don't know how you define "very good" but I would never describe Dead Moon as a polished band. Their grit, soul, and spirited performance is what makes them a great band. It's no surprise that Vedder described seeing them as one of the highlights of a life time of seeing live music. I totally get that. But, sure, it's not for everyone.
What I mean regarding Fugazi is that they never showed any interst in becoming popular or going corporate rock. Of course, that goes with out saying, right guys?
"You really need to ask that?"
I still don’t see the argument. PJ isn’t Fugazi. Jeff and Stone wanted to be successful musicians. PJ made a great album that instantly made them stars, they weren’t going for a corporate rock sound and certainly weren’t trying to be popular with that album. If they were they would have wrote “Cherry Pie”.
Basically, the mainstream came to them not the other way around.
Since then they have done it their own way, not caring about people telling them what they “should” do.
I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
I don't know how you define "very good" but I would never describe Dead Moon as a polished band. Their grit, soul, and spirited performance is what makes them a great band. It's no surprise that Vedder described seeing them as one of the highlights of a life time of seeing live music. I totally get that. But, sure, it's not for everyone.
What I mean regarding Fugazi is that they never showed any interst in becoming popular or going corporate rock. Of course, that goes with out saying, right guys?
"You really need to ask that?"
Do you have the Coriky album that came out last year? Has Ian MacKaye, Amy Farina, and Joe Lally. I really like it.
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Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,304
I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
I don't know how you define "very good" but I would never describe Dead Moon as a polished band. Their grit, soul, and spirited performance is what makes them a great band. It's no surprise that Vedder described seeing them as one of the highlights of a life time of seeing live music. I totally get that. But, sure, it's not for everyone.
What I mean regarding Fugazi is that they never showed any interst in becoming popular or going corporate rock. Of course, that goes with out saying, right guys?
"You really need to ask that?"
I still don’t see the argument. PJ isn’t Fugazi. Jeff and Stone wanted to be successful musicians. PJ made a great album that instantly made them stars, they weren’t going for a corporate rock sound and certainly weren’t trying to be popular with that album. If they were they would have wrote “Cherry Pie”.
Basically, the mainstream came to them not the other way around.
Since then they have done it their own way, not caring about people telling them what they “should” do.
Playing stadiums is not going for a corporate rock image?
Well, OK then, I think we are just going to have to accept our differences on this one.
And look, my point is not to simply put down Pearl Jam. I mean, after all, they put on one of the great shows I've ever seen including first rate performances by big names like Jimi Hendrix, The Who, U2, The Clash, plus scads of lesser known greats whose shows were also remarkable, and, going back to my earlier point, at least as lesser known as Fugazi and Dead Moon... who I still would argue are worth checking out...
...which I think is what this thread is about.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Brian I understand what you are saying. Basically Fugazi never got a tour bus or on first class planes. They toured in a bus and still have that DIY mentality where PJ matured and went a different route.
I do think that when musicians get "comfortable" they lose their creative edge.
I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
I don't know how you define "very good" but I would never describe Dead Moon as a polished band. Their grit, soul, and spirited performance is what makes them a great band. It's no surprise that Vedder described seeing them as one of the highlights of a life time of seeing live music. I totally get that. But, sure, it's not for everyone.
What I mean regarding Fugazi is that they never showed any interst in becoming popular or going corporate rock. Of course, that goes with out saying, right guys?
"You really need to ask that?"
Do you have the Coriky album that came out last year? Has Ian MacKaye, Amy Farina, and Joe Lally. I really like it.
I love the Coriky album!
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I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
I don't know how you define "very good" but I would never describe Dead Moon as a polished band. Their grit, soul, and spirited performance is what makes them a great band. It's no surprise that Vedder described seeing them as one of the highlights of a life time of seeing live music. I totally get that. But, sure, it's not for everyone.
What I mean regarding Fugazi is that they never showed any interst in becoming popular or going corporate rock. Of course, that goes with out saying, right guys?
"You really need to ask that?"
I still don’t see the argument. PJ isn’t Fugazi. Jeff and Stone wanted to be successful musicians. PJ made a great album that instantly made them stars, they weren’t going for a corporate rock sound and certainly weren’t trying to be popular with that album. If they were they would have wrote “Cherry Pie”.
Basically, the mainstream came to them not the other way around.
Since then they have done it their own way, not caring about people telling them what they “should” do.
Playing stadiums is not going for a corporate rock image?
Well, OK then, I think we are just going to have to accept our differences on this one.
And look, my point is not to simply put down Pearl Jam. I mean, after all, they put on one of the great shows I've ever seen including first rate performances by big names like Jimi Hendrix, The Who, U2, The Clash, plus scads of lesser known greats whose shows were also remarkable, and, going back to my earlier point, at least as lesser known as Fugazi and Dead Moon... who I still would argue are worth checking out...
...which I think is what this thread is about.
Neither of us will change each other’s mind. 😂 All good man
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,304
Brian I understand what you are saying. Basically Fugazi never got a tour bus or on first class planes. They toured in a bus and still have that DIY mentality where PJ matured and went a different route.
I do think that when musicians get "comfortable" they lose their creative edge.
I agree. But I also have had this long standing hope that Pearl Jam will step out of their comfort zone one of these days and hit it out of the park again like, for example, what Neil Young did with Freedom and then even more so with Ragged Glory .
I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
I don't know how you define "very good" but I would never describe Dead Moon as a polished band. Their grit, soul, and spirited performance is what makes them a great band. It's no surprise that Vedder described seeing them as one of the highlights of a life time of seeing live music. I totally get that. But, sure, it's not for everyone.
What I mean regarding Fugazi is that they never showed any interst in becoming popular or going corporate rock. Of course, that goes with out saying, right guys?
"You really need to ask that?"
I still don’t see the argument. PJ isn’t Fugazi. Jeff and Stone wanted to be successful musicians. PJ made a great album that instantly made them stars, they weren’t going for a corporate rock sound and certainly weren’t trying to be popular with that album. If they were they would have wrote “Cherry Pie”.
Basically, the mainstream came to them not the other way around.
Since then they have done it their own way, not caring about people telling them what they “should” do.
Playing stadiums is not going for a corporate rock image?
Well, OK then, I think we are just going to have to accept our differences on this one.
And look, my point is not to simply put down Pearl Jam. I mean, after all, they put on one of the great shows I've ever seen including first rate performances by big names like Jimi Hendrix, The Who, U2, The Clash, plus scads of lesser known greats whose shows were also remarkable, and, going back to my earlier point, at least as lesser known as Fugazi and Dead Moon... who I still would argue are worth checking out...
...which I think is what this thread is about.
Neither of us will change each other’s mind. 😂 All good man
LOL, Not a problem. It would be tremendously boring around here if we all had the same viewpoint on things.
Cheers, 1T!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Brian I understand what you are saying. Basically Fugazi never got a tour bus or on first class planes. They toured in a bus and still have that DIY mentality where PJ matured and went a different route.
I do think that when musicians get "comfortable" they lose their creative edge.
I agree. But I also have had this long standing hope that Pearl Jam will step out of their comfort zone one of these days and hit it out of the park again like, for example, what Neil Young did with Freedom and then even more so with Ragged Glory .
I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
I don't know how you define "very good" but I would never describe Dead Moon as a polished band. Their grit, soul, and spirited performance is what makes them a great band. It's no surprise that Vedder described seeing them as one of the highlights of a life time of seeing live music. I totally get that. But, sure, it's not for everyone.
What I mean regarding Fugazi is that they never showed any interst in becoming popular or going corporate rock. Of course, that goes with out saying, right guys?
"You really need to ask that?"
I still don’t see the argument. PJ isn’t Fugazi. Jeff and Stone wanted to be successful musicians. PJ made a great album that instantly made them stars, they weren’t going for a corporate rock sound and certainly weren’t trying to be popular with that album. If they were they would have wrote “Cherry Pie”.
Basically, the mainstream came to them not the other way around.
Since then they have done it their own way, not caring about people telling them what they “should” do.
Playing stadiums is not going for a corporate rock image?
Well, OK then, I think we are just going to have to accept our differences on this one.
And look, my point is not to simply put down Pearl Jam. I mean, after all, they put on one of the great shows I've ever seen including first rate performances by big names like Jimi Hendrix, The Who, U2, The Clash, plus scads of lesser known greats whose shows were also remarkable, and, going back to my earlier point, at least as lesser known as Fugazi and Dead Moon... who I still would argue are worth checking out...
...which I think is what this thread is about.
Neither of us will change each other’s mind. 😂 All good man
LOL, Not a problem. It would be tremendously boring around here if we all had the same viewpoint on things.
Cheers, 1T!
Honestly, I enjoy friendly keyboard jousts with you an tng on here because it never gets personal and you fellas always keep your sense of humour. No name calling, etc. You definitely have a point… the comparison to NY certainly helps your case.
Brian I understand what you are saying. Basically Fugazi never got a tour bus or on first class planes. They toured in a bus and still have that DIY mentality where PJ matured and went a different route.
I do think that when musicians get "comfortable" they lose their creative edge.
I agree. But I also have had this long standing hope that Pearl Jam will step out of their comfort zone one of these days and hit it out of the park again like, for example, what Neil Young did with Freedom and then even more so with Ragged Glory .
I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
I don't know how you define "very good" but I would never describe Dead Moon as a polished band. Their grit, soul, and spirited performance is what makes them a great band. It's no surprise that Vedder described seeing them as one of the highlights of a life time of seeing live music. I totally get that. But, sure, it's not for everyone.
What I mean regarding Fugazi is that they never showed any interst in becoming popular or going corporate rock. Of course, that goes with out saying, right guys?
"You really need to ask that?"
I still don’t see the argument. PJ isn’t Fugazi. Jeff and Stone wanted to be successful musicians. PJ made a great album that instantly made them stars, they weren’t going for a corporate rock sound and certainly weren’t trying to be popular with that album. If they were they would have wrote “Cherry Pie”.
Basically, the mainstream came to them not the other way around.
Since then they have done it their own way, not caring about people telling them what they “should” do.
Playing stadiums is not going for a corporate rock image?
Well, OK then, I think we are just going to have to accept our differences on this one.
And look, my point is not to simply put down Pearl Jam. I mean, after all, they put on one of the great shows I've ever seen including first rate performances by big names like Jimi Hendrix, The Who, U2, The Clash, plus scads of lesser known greats whose shows were also remarkable, and, going back to my earlier point, at least as lesser known as Fugazi and Dead Moon... who I still would argue are worth checking out...
...which I think is what this thread is about.
Neither of us will change each other’s mind. 😂 All good man
LOL, Not a problem. It would be tremendously boring around here if we all had the same viewpoint on things.
Cheers, 1T!
Honestly, I enjoy friendly keyboard jousts with you an tng on here because it never gets personal and you fellas always keep your sense of humour. No name calling, etc. You definitely have a point… the comparison to NY certainly helps your case.
Sweet, man, I love hearing that.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
"Try to not spook the horse."
-Neil Young
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,304
I'm guessing/ hoping that Billy Bragg is not considered an obscure musician's name around here. But just in case, I want to mention him in this thread. I was listing to this album this evening and every time I listen to it I'm blown away. So damn good!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Brian I understand what you are saying. Basically Fugazi never got a tour bus or on first class planes. They toured in a bus and still have that DIY mentality where PJ matured and went a different route.
I do think that when musicians get "comfortable" they lose their creative edge.
I agree. But I also have had this long standing hope that Pearl Jam will step out of their comfort zone one of these days and hit it out of the park again like, for example, what Neil Young did with Freedom and then even more so with Ragged Glory .
I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
I don't know how you define "very good" but I would never describe Dead Moon as a polished band. Their grit, soul, and spirited performance is what makes them a great band. It's no surprise that Vedder described seeing them as one of the highlights of a life time of seeing live music. I totally get that. But, sure, it's not for everyone.
What I mean regarding Fugazi is that they never showed any interst in becoming popular or going corporate rock. Of course, that goes with out saying, right guys?
"You really need to ask that?"
I still don’t see the argument. PJ isn’t Fugazi. Jeff and Stone wanted to be successful musicians. PJ made a great album that instantly made them stars, they weren’t going for a corporate rock sound and certainly weren’t trying to be popular with that album. If they were they would have wrote “Cherry Pie”.
Basically, the mainstream came to them not the other way around.
Since then they have done it their own way, not caring about people telling them what they “should” do.
Playing stadiums is not going for a corporate rock image?
Well, OK then, I think we are just going to have to accept our differences on this one.
And look, my point is not to simply put down Pearl Jam. I mean, after all, they put on one of the great shows I've ever seen including first rate performances by big names like Jimi Hendrix, The Who, U2, The Clash, plus scads of lesser known greats whose shows were also remarkable, and, going back to my earlier point, at least as lesser known as Fugazi and Dead Moon... who I still would argue are worth checking out...
...which I think is what this thread is about.
Neither of us will change each other’s mind. 😂 All good man
LOL, Not a problem. It would be tremendously boring around here if we all had the same viewpoint on things.
Cheers, 1T!
Honestly, I enjoy friendly keyboard jousts with you an tng on here because it never gets personal and you fellas always keep your sense of humour. No name calling, etc. You definitely have a point… the comparison to NY certainly helps your case.
Me too, even though you're wrong most of the time... Bah dum bump!
I just realized that the third person in that pic w Ian and Henry is Keith Morris. What a great pic of HC royalty.
Still wrong!
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,304
I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
I don't know how you define "very good" but I would never describe Dead Moon as a polished band. Their grit, soul, and spirited performance is what makes them a great band. It's no surprise that Vedder described seeing them as one of the highlights of a life time of seeing live music. I totally get that. But, sure, it's not for everyone.
What I mean regarding Fugazi is that they never showed any interst in becoming popular or going corporate rock. Of course, that goes with out saying, right guys?
"You really need to ask that?"
Do you have the Coriky album that came out last year? Has Ian MacKaye, Amy Farina, and Joe Lally. I really like it.
No , GB, but I will have to look into that album!
Yes, CK, well said. Three of the greatest right there, and such a cool photo!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Brian I understand what you are saying. Basically Fugazi never got a tour bus or on first class planes. They toured in a bus and still have that DIY mentality where PJ matured and went a different route.
I do think that when musicians get "comfortable" they lose their creative edge.
I agree. But I also have had this long standing hope that Pearl Jam will step out of their comfort zone one of these days and hit it out of the park again like, for example, what Neil Young did with Freedom and then even more so with Ragged Glory .
I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
I don't know how you define "very good" but I would never describe Dead Moon as a polished band. Their grit, soul, and spirited performance is what makes them a great band. It's no surprise that Vedder described seeing them as one of the highlights of a life time of seeing live music. I totally get that. But, sure, it's not for everyone.
What I mean regarding Fugazi is that they never showed any interst in becoming popular or going corporate rock. Of course, that goes with out saying, right guys?
"You really need to ask that?"
I still don’t see the argument. PJ isn’t Fugazi. Jeff and Stone wanted to be successful musicians. PJ made a great album that instantly made them stars, they weren’t going for a corporate rock sound and certainly weren’t trying to be popular with that album. If they were they would have wrote “Cherry Pie”.
Basically, the mainstream came to them not the other way around.
Since then they have done it their own way, not caring about people telling them what they “should” do.
Playing stadiums is not going for a corporate rock image?
Well, OK then, I think we are just going to have to accept our differences on this one.
And look, my point is not to simply put down Pearl Jam. I mean, after all, they put on one of the great shows I've ever seen including first rate performances by big names like Jimi Hendrix, The Who, U2, The Clash, plus scads of lesser known greats whose shows were also remarkable, and, going back to my earlier point, at least as lesser known as Fugazi and Dead Moon... who I still would argue are worth checking out...
...which I think is what this thread is about.
Neither of us will change each other’s mind. 😂 All good man
LOL, Not a problem. It would be tremendously boring around here if we all had the same viewpoint on things.
Cheers, 1T!
Honestly, I enjoy friendly keyboard jousts with you an tng on here because it never gets personal and you fellas always keep your sense of humour. No name calling, etc. You definitely have a point… the comparison to NY certainly helps your case.
Me too, even though you're wrong most of the time... Bah dum bump!
I just realized that the third person in that pic w Ian and Henry is Keith Morris. What a great pic of HC royalty.
Still wrong!
No one having a different opinion on art is wrong. Therefore, I am never wrong… you are wrong for thinking so 😎
Brian I understand what you are saying. Basically Fugazi never got a tour bus or on first class planes. They toured in a bus and still have that DIY mentality where PJ matured and went a different route.
I do think that when musicians get "comfortable" they lose their creative edge.
I agree. But I also have had this long standing hope that Pearl Jam will step out of their comfort zone one of these days and hit it out of the park again like, for example, what Neil Young did with Freedom and then even more so with Ragged Glory .
I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
I don't know how you define "very good" but I would never describe Dead Moon as a polished band. Their grit, soul, and spirited performance is what makes them a great band. It's no surprise that Vedder described seeing them as one of the highlights of a life time of seeing live music. I totally get that. But, sure, it's not for everyone.
What I mean regarding Fugazi is that they never showed any interst in becoming popular or going corporate rock. Of course, that goes with out saying, right guys?
"You really need to ask that?"
I still don’t see the argument. PJ isn’t Fugazi. Jeff and Stone wanted to be successful musicians. PJ made a great album that instantly made them stars, they weren’t going for a corporate rock sound and certainly weren’t trying to be popular with that album. If they were they would have wrote “Cherry Pie”.
Basically, the mainstream came to them not the other way around.
Since then they have done it their own way, not caring about people telling them what they “should” do.
Playing stadiums is not going for a corporate rock image?
Well, OK then, I think we are just going to have to accept our differences on this one.
And look, my point is not to simply put down Pearl Jam. I mean, after all, they put on one of the great shows I've ever seen including first rate performances by big names like Jimi Hendrix, The Who, U2, The Clash, plus scads of lesser known greats whose shows were also remarkable, and, going back to my earlier point, at least as lesser known as Fugazi and Dead Moon... who I still would argue are worth checking out...
...which I think is what this thread is about.
Neither of us will change each other’s mind. 😂 All good man
LOL, Not a problem. It would be tremendously boring around here if we all had the same viewpoint on things.
Cheers, 1T!
Honestly, I enjoy friendly keyboard jousts with you an tng on here because it never gets personal and you fellas always keep your sense of humour. No name calling, etc. You definitely have a point… the comparison to NY certainly helps your case.
Me too, even though you're wrong most of the time... Bah dum bump!
I just realized that the third person in that pic w Ian and Henry is Keith Morris. What a great pic of HC royalty.
Still wrong!
No one having a different opinion on art is wrong. Therefore, I am never wrong… you are wrong for thinking so 😎
Now see that's where you're wrong...
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brianlux
Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,304
I think Chris Cacavas is great. Member of both Green on Red and The Dream Syndicate and has made some terrific solo works.
Brian I understand what you are saying. Basically Fugazi never got a tour bus or on first class planes. They toured in a bus and still have that DIY mentality where PJ matured and went a different route.
I do think that when musicians get "comfortable" they lose their creative edge.
I agree. But I also have had this long standing hope that Pearl Jam will step out of their comfort zone one of these days and hit it out of the park again like, for example, what Neil Young did with Freedom and then even more so with Ragged Glory .
I found the article very frustrating because the very thing Vedder has loved about Dead Moon (and others he mentioned like Fugazi) was the "the ritual, and the sweat, and the love" and the fact that they never lost their edge does not well define where Vedder himself has gone. There is a juncture where artists like Vedder and Pearl Jam reach where the path that one takes continues to maintain a creative edge or lapse into the lap of luxury or fail all together. Dead Moon and Fuagzi never lost their edge. I wish I could say the same for Vedder and Pearl Jam. But who knows, maybe Eddie's upcoming solo album will prove me wrong. One can only hope.
Dead Moon isn't very good imo so I won’t comment if they still have “edge”.
As for Fugazi, are you trying to tell me The Argument has the same edge as say Repeater? I would say it doesn’t. Is it a great album, of course! I love Fugazi… but it’s far from the best and “edgiest” Fugazi. It reminds me of Quicksand’s latest release. Love it, but it’s a post-hardcore record that could be played on our local “alternative” rock station that plays PJ, Nirvana and Our Lady Peace. It’s a mature post-hardcore sound. Very cool.
Recent PJ releases sound like a mature band still rocking out and not mailing it in. Can’t say I love any of the past three albums, but they are all good to very good imo. Music doesn’t always require an edge to be good. Some edgy music is good, some of it is downright awful. And old guy bands who try to sound edgy come across a little disingenuous to me.
I don't know how you define "very good" but I would never describe Dead Moon as a polished band. Their grit, soul, and spirited performance is what makes them a great band. It's no surprise that Vedder described seeing them as one of the highlights of a life time of seeing live music. I totally get that. But, sure, it's not for everyone.
What I mean regarding Fugazi is that they never showed any interst in becoming popular or going corporate rock. Of course, that goes with out saying, right guys?
"You really need to ask that?"
I still don’t see the argument. PJ isn’t Fugazi. Jeff and Stone wanted to be successful musicians. PJ made a great album that instantly made them stars, they weren’t going for a corporate rock sound and certainly weren’t trying to be popular with that album. If they were they would have wrote “Cherry Pie”.
Basically, the mainstream came to them not the other way around.
Since then they have done it their own way, not caring about people telling them what they “should” do.
Playing stadiums is not going for a corporate rock image?
Well, OK then, I think we are just going to have to accept our differences on this one.
And look, my point is not to simply put down Pearl Jam. I mean, after all, they put on one of the great shows I've ever seen including first rate performances by big names like Jimi Hendrix, The Who, U2, The Clash, plus scads of lesser known greats whose shows were also remarkable, and, going back to my earlier point, at least as lesser known as Fugazi and Dead Moon... who I still would argue are worth checking out...
...which I think is what this thread is about.
Neither of us will change each other’s mind. 😂 All good man
LOL, Not a problem. It would be tremendously boring around here if we all had the same viewpoint on things.
Cheers, 1T!
Honestly, I enjoy friendly keyboard jousts with you an tng on here because it never gets personal and you fellas always keep your sense of humour. No name calling, etc. You definitely have a point… the comparison to NY certainly helps your case.
Me too, even though you're wrong most of the time... Bah dum bump!
I just realized that the third person in that pic w Ian and Henry is Keith Morris. What a great pic of HC royalty.
Still wrong!
No one having a different opinion on art is wrong. Therefore, I am never wrong… you are wrong for thinking so 😎
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-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Since then they have done it their own way, not caring about people telling them what they “should” do.
Do you have the Coriky album that came out last year? Has Ian MacKaye, Amy Farina, and Joe Lally. I really like it.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I do think that when musicians get "comfortable" they lose their creative edge.
I love the Coriky album!
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All good man
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
You definitely have a point… the comparison to NY certainly helps your case.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Bah dum bump!
I just realized that the third person in that pic w Ian and Henry is Keith Morris. What a great pic of HC royalty.
Still wrong!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"