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What things do you like about Siamese Dream and mellon Collie

musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
edited October 2008 in Other Music
Most people seem to agree those are the two top Pumpkins releases. i agree, and suggest they are two of the greatest albums ever released, and two of the best albums released in the 90's.

The albums are striking, and powerful. i know why I love them, why do you and everyone else seem to enjoy these albums so much?

Billy's lyrics? The guitars and instrumentation? The themes?
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  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    Siamese Dream is just about the most perfect album I can think of. The songs flow incredibly well together, the guitar work frequently borders on the sublime, and Jimmy Chamberlin's drumming is awe-inspiring. I also love a lot of the lyrics, Billy captured the feelings of 'youth' perfectly. For me, this album is THE most nostalic record from my youth. The second those snare rolls kick in I get really vivid memories of being 14 all over again - and for that reason it also has a bit of a bittersweet quality to it too.

    Mellon Collie was a brilliant follow up. I love how diverse it is, for a double album it is especially impressive, because most bands don't pull it off. Songs like 1979 and Thirty-Three have been known to bring me to tears. It's crazy how many emotions music can stir up! Oh, and is there a more perfect pop song than Tonight Tonight?
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    Siamese Dream is the only SP release i can listen to front to back. i think it's Butch Vig's vocal production. Billy's voice just sounds beautiful throughout. plus the songs rule. (duh)

    Mellon Collie is too bloated for me. i also think Billy's voice sounds like crap most of the time. i do like the slow jams and a handfull of other songs. would've worked for me better as a single disc.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    everything, but particularly...

    cherub rock, today, hummer, mayonaise, tonight tonight, zero, an ode to no one, muzzle, thirty-three, stumbleine
  • prytocorduroyprytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    Words cannot describe. You must listen.
  • r1versr1vers Posts: 244
    1979 is the first song i ever really liked on my own accord - right around when it first came out. But it took me many years to appreciate the entirety of Mellon Collie (only about 2 years ago). To me, the epic length tracks are crucial to the album (porcelina, ruby, xyu) and I love the hardness of some others (xyu, ode to no one, etc). and as previously mentioned, tonight tonight really is a perfect track. nothing gets me more emotional on the album than the final chorus of tonight tonight. the lyrics are brilliant. and as someone already said about siamese dream 1979 really makes me look back to young days (even pre-teenage years for me).

    siamese dream, on the other hand, i pretty much instantly enjoyed all the way through. besides the singles, once again the epic silverfuck sold me on it. i loved that song in early high school. oddly enough, i always used to skip hummer, but now love it. to me though, the highlight of siamese dream really is mayonaise. you just can't beat how powerful that song is when the guitars kick in after the soft intro. beautiful.
    "Last time I think we played that song here was like, a long time ago, and there was a bonfire in the back and people were like throwing each other into it...very exciting days but a huge fucking relief that that's not how it is tonight..." Ed Irvine Night 1 2003, after Deep
  • aspoonfulweighsatonaspoonfulweighsaton Posts: 2,055
    facepollution wrote:
    Siamese Dream is just about the most perfect album I can think of. The songs flow incredibly well together, the guitar work frequently borders on the sublime, and Jimmy Chamberlin's drumming is awe-inspiring. I also love a lot of the lyrics, Billy captured the feelings of 'youth' perfectly. For me, this album is THE most nostalic record from my youth. The second those snare rolls kick in I get really vivid memories of being 14 all over again - and for that reason it also has a bit of a bittersweet quality to it too.

    Mellon Collie was a brilliant follow up. I love how diverse it is, for a double album it is especially impressive, because most bands don't pull it off. Songs like 1979 and Thirty-Three have been known to bring me to tears. It's crazy how many emotions music can stir up! Oh, and is there a more perfect pop song than Tonight Tonight?

    I wholeheartedly agree with this and would like to add that the highlight for me on these two albums is "Porcelina of the Vast Oceans". To me that song is perfect.
  • Indifference71Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,876
    Everything.
  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,567
    They are just both fucking amazing albums, as well as Gish.
  • justamjustam Posts: 21,412
    I don't like analyzing things I love because it seems to ruin them somehow. :p

    Sorry. :o
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  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    I BrisK I wrote:
    They are just both fucking amazing albums, as well as Gish.

    gish is very underrated.
  • Gremmie95Gremmie95 Posts: 749
    Siamese Dream is still one my fav's, has been since the first time I saw the video for "Today".

    Infinite sadness is solid but I still think it could have been one album.
  • AiCPearlJamWeenAiCPearlJamWeen Posts: 785
    Listening to Siamese Dream only makes me believe more that these are some of the best guitar melodies ever produced into one CD. The guitar work is just beyond amazing. The many guitar layers in Hummer, Soma and Mayonaise give me something new to listen to each time I listen. Not to mention the bass playing is so fucking incredible. Such a PERFECT album it's hard not to fall in love with it. If it's true (I read it this some time back) that Billy wrote the whole thing and played every instrument himself for this CD then I think he really is a musical genius. There is no way around it, sure he can be a complete asshole but man does this CD fucking rock.
  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    AiCPearlJamWeen wrote:
    Listening to Siamese Dream only makes me believe more that these are some of the best guitar melodies ever produced into one CD. The guitar work is just beyond amazing. The many guitar layers in Hummer, Soma and Mayonaise give me something new to listen to each time I listen. Not to mention the bass playing is so fucking incredible. Such a PERFECT album it's hard not to fall in love with it. If it's true (I read it this some time back) that Billy wrote the whole thing and played every instrument himself for this CD then I think he really is a musical genius. There is no way around it, sure he can be a complete asshole but man does this CD fucking rock.

    Everything but the drums, apparently.......
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mOlIraiU6y0

    for that one song alone
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    "Farewell and Goodnight" came up on the iPod today. that song is garbage, sorry.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    Mushmouthmatt wrote:
    "Farewell and Goodnight" came up on the iPod today. that song is garbage, sorry.

    this post is akin to going to the "favourite song from Yield" thread and writing "red dot, came on.. shit isnt it"

    what part of the thread title did you not get? :confused:
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • lowlight10lowlight10 Posts: 619
    I've tried fitting Mellon Collie on one 80 minute disc. it can't be done. it's too good.
    -


    "In your case, I'll check my brain at the door and we'll start even, okay?"

    Have you thanked a taper today?
  • facepollutionfacepollution Posts: 6,834
    lowlight10 wrote:
    I've tried fitting Mellon Collie on one 80 minute disc. it can't be done. it's too good.

    Damn straight. Even the quirkier stuff like We Only Come Out At Night has its place. Like I said before, the variety on it is incredible.
  • itsevobabyitsevobaby Posts: 1,809
    here's a killer alternate version of disarm:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMj6GEfLyoA
    Look Alive,
    See These Bones
  • itsevobabyitsevobaby Posts: 1,809
    GlorifiedAnimal wrote:
    gish is very underrated.
    as is pisces iscariot, the b-sides & rarities from this era produced an indispensable pumpkins album.
    Look Alive,
    See These Bones
  • circles downcircles down Posts: 182
    It's the warm and fuzzy guitar tones. That's what makes the beautiful hooks and melodies so colorful. I think there's a video somewhere of Billy showing some sort of router Vig used to get the guitars to sound that way. I love that sounds. Jar of Flies comes close to it.
  • gleemonexgleemonex Posts: 848
    facepollution wrote:
    Damn straight. Even the quirkier stuff like We Only Come Out At Night has its place. Like I said before, the variety on it is incredible.

    I think this is one of the coolest songs on the album. I love that it comes right after the heaviest song on Mellon Collie (X.Y.U.)
    “Hello, babies. Welcome to Earth. It’s hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It’s round and wet and crowded. At the outside, babies, you’ve got about a hundred years here. There’s only one rule that I know of, babies — ‘God damn it, you’ve got to be kind.’” - Kurt Vonnegut
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    I think if Gish had been released after Nevermind and Ten had opened the door for mainstream grunge, it would've been just as big as Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie. IMO, Window Paine is one of the greatest songs of the 90's.
    reigning champion

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
  • AiCPearlJamWeenAiCPearlJamWeen Posts: 785
    Corgan is an amazing fucking guitarist but a lousy live singer. For example:

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mu3jh91rCiY&feature=related
  • South of SeattleSouth of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    facepollution wrote:
    Siamese Dream is just about the most perfect album I can think of. The songs flow incredibly well together, the guitar work frequently borders on the sublime, and Jimmy Chamberlin's drumming is awe-inspiring. I also love a lot of the lyrics, Billy captured the feelings of 'youth' perfectly. For me, this album is THE most nostalic record from my youth. The second those snare rolls kick in I get really vivid memories of being 14 all over again - and for that reason it also has a bit of a bittersweet quality to it too.

    Mellon Collie was a brilliant follow up. I love how diverse it is, for a double album it is especially impressive, because most bands don't pull it off. Songs like 1979 and Thirty-Three have been known to bring me to tears. It's crazy how many emotions music can stir up! Oh, and is there a more perfect pop song than Tonight Tonight?

    ^^^^^^^^^^

    What he said
    NERDS!
  • doughdough Posts: 9
    Imo Siamese Dream is the greatest rock album of the 90's. Yes, better than Ten and Nevermind.
  • muppetmuppet Posts: 980
    Just the name 'Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness' gives me a warm feeling inside. There's something about that record. It's like the ultimate 'coming of age' CD. Hell I'm only 17 so I wasn't even old enough to appreciate it when it came out.
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