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musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
edited March 2007 in Other Music
Is the often thought of in pop culture, association between heavy metal or rock music and satanism and the devil accurate?

Anyone hear think that some of the bands that took on that mantle of "promoting" satanism like Led Zeppelin, Ozzy, Black Sabbath, the whole Black Metal scene in Norway, Marilyn Manson, Rob Zombie

Are they really into the occult and devil worship do you think, or do you think its all an act?

Certainly that band Mayhem could be accused of actually believing in all of it, but the others I am not so sure.

Whats your thoughts?
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  • suns rivalsuns rival Posts: 15,926
    dont forget Slayer
    scratching my butt...
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    me rascando pompis...
    krap mijn reet...
    boku no ketsuoana o kizu...
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  • gossardstradlingossardstradlin Posts: 324
    I think that most of it is bullshit. Some of the refereces about Satan were songs about Crowley; Ozzy and Iron Maiden that became way blown out of proportion. Now its funny because its like its whole little genra, Death Metal. Not all death metal is connected either to it.Some of those guides in bands are the nicest people in earth. Am I track on this thread??
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  • gossardstradlingossardstradlin Posts: 324
    suns rival wrote:
    dont forget Slayer

    Wasn't Slayer also into mainly "fuck the establishment" more than to overt satanism (Although yes most of their songs deal with stanism :))?
    "She knows there is no success like failure
    And that failure's no success at all."

    "Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."

    "Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
    A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
  • stateoflove79stateoflove79 Posts: 2,845
    gossardstradlin wrote:
    Wasn'y Slayer also into mainly "fuck the establishment" more than to overt satanism (Although yes most of their songs deal with stanism :))

    Satan
    Laughs
    As
    You
    Eternally
    Rot


    Hmmm...coincidence? ;)
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  • gossardstradlingossardstradlin Posts: 324
    stateoflove79 wrote:
    Satan
    Laughs
    As
    You
    Eternally
    Rot


    Hmmm...coincidence? ;)

    lol...so that would be the more overt example... ;)
    "She knows there is no success like failure
    And that failure's no success at all."

    "Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."

    "Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
    A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
  • stateoflove79stateoflove79 Posts: 2,845
    gossardstradlin wrote:
    lol...so that would be the more overt example... ;)

    People thought AC/DC stood for "Against Christ/Devil's Children"...but that's just silly.
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  • BlackeyedangelBlackeyedangel Posts: 262
    It's mostly for image.

    Speaking of the black metal scene in Norway, not all of it was Satanic. Some members of the black metal inner circle could certainly be considered Satanists. Euronymous was probably responsible for much of it.

    However much of the black metal scene consisted of anti-christians who were not necessarily Satanists. Varg Vikernes is probably the best example. Dude ran around Norway burning churches but he was no Satanist. He saw Satanism as no more than a reactionary form of christianity.

    A lot of the Black Metal scene was influenced by Norse Paganism.
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    led zep are actually saintinst, saw a thing on led zep on vh1 and remember them saying how page used to perform satanst things. and manson goes to the chruch of satan, that should answer your question bout him. ozzy and sabbath, never really heard anything bout them
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  • BlackeyedangelBlackeyedangel Posts: 262
    Manson is about as Satanic as Cradle of Filth.
  • gossardstradlingossardstradlin Posts: 324
    stateoflove79 wrote:
    People thought AC/DC stood for "Against Christ/Devil's Children"...but that's just silly.

    That's great. I was and still am a huge fan since elementary school. And that was the rumor going around that AC/DC stood for all of these denomic interpretations. The only two songs they had were "Hell's Bell's" and "Hell Aint a Bad Place to" or yeah and "Highway to hell". Some classics there.
    "She knows there is no success like failure
    And that failure's no success at all."

    "Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."

    "Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
    A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    Blackeyedangel wrote:
    Manson is about as Satanic as Cradle of Filth.
    lmfao, good one
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    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    i just have a mental picture i guess of what that music is. Like when I listen to Wu Tang or something you can picture that music is really really dark, that thats the kind of music, people would beat people up to or drug dealers would listen to it in the projects

    For black metal especially, i get this picture in my mind that the musicians really are into the devil and all that. Most of it could be the environment, the fact they live in a cold dark, chilly place like norway makes sense that they wouldnt be singing top 40 hits or american idol tunes. They play dark music because they live in a dark place. But i sort of picture like kids listening to the music i listed, but especiallu black metal, I can picture kids sitting around and doing drugs and performing satanic rituals along with the music.

    Thats why I posted this thread. I guess now looking at it, led zep, or black sabbath or ozzy or marilyn manson, its up in the air if they are really satanists. They project an image of being a satanist and not being one as well. With the norway metal scene, you have bands who are clearly satanist and clearly say that. there is no mistaking it. thats what makes it interesting to me. Mayhem dont pretend to be satanists, they in fact are, and live that lifestyle.

    I will be the first to say I am against associating rock with satanism, as all the people on this board who are supportive of the release of the west memphis three, can point out. Satanism and rock being linked is damaging in that respect. But I dont think the WM3 were satanists, and I dont think just because they listened to metallica and read stephen king, that they were satanists.

    My point is, we have a progression, from bands that toyed with satanism in the 60's and 70's, to bands now that seem to embrace the idea as a positive thing.
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    what do you all think of in your mind, when listening to death metal from norway? Its not the sun or flowers or nature I would bet. Its scary music and dark music. I remember watching a doc on tv about the death metal scene and they talked about how in several bands, bands murdered fans or members or something like that.

    If nothing else, black metal is one of the more odd genres in music history.
  • BlackeyedangelBlackeyedangel Posts: 262
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    For black metal especially, i get this picture in my mind that the musicians really are into the devil and all that. Most of it could be the environment, the fact they live in a cold dark, chilly place like norway makes sense that they wouldnt be singing top 40 hits or american idol tunes. They play dark music because they live in a dark place. But i sort of picture like kids listening to the music i listed, but especiallu black metal, I can picture kids sitting around and doing drugs and performing satanic rituals along with the music.

    Thats why I posted this thread. I guess now looking at it, led zep, or black sabbath or ozzy or marilyn manson, its up in the air if they are really satanists. They project an image of being a satanist and not being one as well. With the norway metal scene, you have bands who are clearly satanist and clearly say that. there is no mistaking it. thats what makes it interesting to me. Mayhem dont pretend to be satanists, they in fact are, and live that lifestyle.

    I'm not going to say that there is no Satanist presence in Black Metal because there certainly is. But there is just as much of a Norse Paganism influence. Many of the artists from Norway turned to their ancestral religion and took anti-christian stances but were not necessarily Satanists. Mayhem is a completely different band now than it was at the height of Black Metal in the early nineties. Much of the classic Mayhem included themes dealing with Paganism and Norse Mythology.
  • BlackeyedangelBlackeyedangel Posts: 262
    I mostly listen to Burzum, I don't really consider the music evil. Much of the music is actually pretty philosophical. I would suggest checking out some of the lyrics, at least for the songs that are in English. You may be surprised.
  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    stateoflove79 wrote:
    People thought AC/DC stood for "Against Christ/Devil's Children"...but that's just silly.

    This is pretty tragic, since around the time that AC/DC started i had my first radio cassette player, which ran on outlet power or batteries, so it had AC/DC written on the front, stands for



    alternating current/direct current

    Right wing nutters really do have lurid imaginations.
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  • harmless_little_f***harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    led zep are actually saintinst, saw a thing on led zep on vh1 and remember them saying how page used to perform satanst things. and manson goes to the chruch of satan

    This isn't actually true. The church of satan gave Manson honorary membership, and made him an honorary 'priest' because of the affects of his album 'Antichrist Superstar'. However, he still hasn't ever set foot in a satanist 'church', and finds the whole thing quite laughable. He has nothing to do with it.
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  • ezekiels_oblivionezekiels_oblivion Posts: 200
    there is no satanism in music. ''satanic'' lyrics, songs worshiping the devil & bands plastered with black tint are just commercial trick for confused teenageres, emos and poor naive sods that dig that kind of (black) crap lol
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  • BetterManningNYGBetterManningNYG Posts: 777
    ozzy is no satanist. i'm pretty sure he's actually a deeply religious christian. the references to satan in his lyrics are intended as a warning, not a glorification. but his image causes people to misunderstand him in this regard.

    lots of people misunderstood ozzy/black sabbath back in their time. the right-wingers thought they were evil, and the left-wingers didn't realize that they shared a common anti-war message. nobody took the time to listen to their words... they just focused on their image.

    as for marilyn manson, i'm not sure what his church of satan membership actually entails... but the man puts on one hell of a live show. :)
  • darthvedder88darthvedder88 Posts: 1,023
    I had a friend tell me once that KISS stood for "Knights in Satan's Service" and therefore he didn't listen to them. LMAO!!!
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  • BlackeyedangelBlackeyedangel Posts: 262
    ezekiels_oblivion wrote:
    there is no satanism in music. ''satanic'' lyrics, songs worshiping the devil & bands plastered with black tint are just commercial trick for confused teenageres, emos and poor naive sods that dig that kind of (black) crap lol
    ummm... "emos" don't really have much to do with satanism at all. Have you ever actually listened to a Fall Out Boy album or any other emo band? There may be references to death but there really isn't much devil worshiping
  • PearlJamaholicPearlJamaholic Posts: 2,018
    darthvedder88 wrote:
    I had a friend tell me once that KISS stood for "Knights in Satan's Service" and therefore he didn't listen to them. LMAO!!!
    any reason is a good reason not to listen to kiss.

    the whole satanic rock stuff is funny i think. i remember malcolm i think thats his name from ac/dc saying something like "our music isnt satanic, unless you play it backwards". that always cracks me up. the tipper gores of the world will find what they are looking for no matter what. but seeing how there is no satan the music cant really be satanic.
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  • korbykorby Posts: 298
    he is metal and uses alot of devil imigary. but he wants things and people to be better.
    he may not be a "christian" but he aint no devil.
    its ok
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