Nirvana's effect

NickyNooch

You mean "Rump Shaker" wasn't the song of the 90s?

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Cheguevara6 wrote:

disagree radically on the last point.

Grunge was one time when the good music and pop music collided and were one

the british invasion with the beatles and the stones was another

the whole hippie rock scene in the 60's with jimi, and the doors and janis and the jefferson airplane, dylan and simon and garfunkel

the whole singer songwriter movement in the 70's Dylan continued, uncle neil, joni mitchell, james taylor, jackson browne

the whole working class music of the 80's-uncle bruce and john mellencamp

the punk scene in 77-clash, damned, ramones, sex pistols

the indie rock scene of the 2000's-artic monkeys, arcade fire, broken social scene, bloc party, bright eyes, interpol, damien rice etc...


riot grrl scene of the 90's-bikini kill, bratmobile, heavens to betsy, sleater kinney


So I completely disagree with you.

There are times when the mainstream rock scene sucks, and when the mainstream rock scene well....rocks.

Back in 1991-kids were by the millions all hyped up on Nirvana PJ, Soundgarden and Alice. They were popular bands. That was the mainstream rock scene

Now what mainstream rock acts are popular? Linkin Park, Nickelback, Three Days Grace, Hinder etc... big difference in my view

Was rock different in 1980 vs 1991? As I said, is Poison, Ratt, Styx, Jon Bon Jovi, different from Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden and Alice? In style? sonically? Lyrically? as people and rock stars?

I'm not saying good music is never popular, I'm just saying we should specify what we're talking about here. In your original post, you didn't specify "popular rock music", you just said "rock music". I'm just saying we should identify what we're talking about with more specifics here, that's all.

And above all that...who cares if mainstream music is artistically alive and growing? Typically, by the time something pure and good gets popular, it's on its way down anyway. There's always something good that's alive and well, and you just have to find it. Nowadays that's so easy with myspace and the internet in general...I literally have a backlog of bands I want to check out now.

InHiding19

I will agree that most of mainstream rock is crap these day with bands like Creed and nickleback, but there are some awesome indie bands out there. Just to name a few Wilco, Kings of Leon, Black Angels, Interpol, moe., Sam Roberts, My Morning Jacket, Mute Math, the Kaiser Chiefs, and a shit ton more!!!

locked

he's not my messiah...

that's for sure..!

wavescamecrashing

i listened to a friends band today, its freakin sweet.

Totally blew me away...

Nirvana did that too, as did a lot of bands.

they would have been as famous without Kurt's death, though the fame would have dwindled as time went on. Like the pj boys...

I think if Kurt were alive now he would be a reclusive singer songwriter, very grassroots sort of stuff, bit like John Frusciante is doing. Lots of interesting collaborations. I know he was meant to record with Micheal Stipe b4 he died, but just think of how many more there would have been...

musicismylife78

kurts death has little to do with it. He was continually refered to as a genius and the spokesman of generation x long before he committed suicide.

I hate how people always act like those people who die young are overrated.

Jimi, Jim, Janis, Stevie, Keith moon, james dean, tupac etc... all died young, but its hard to deny their talent and ability and power

Again, I think this is all a Nirvana vs pearl Jam thing. For years this board has had an underlying hatred of Nirvana. The only reasoning I can come up with is that Kurt and Nirvana are continually refered to as one of the most important bands ever. yet very few critics or top 10 lists would list Pearl Jam or Ed as one of the most important bands ever or one of the most important frontmen ever.

FreshTendrils

Personally, and this isn't because Pearl Jam is "omg teh greatest band evar," I think Pearl Jam is the better overall band to come from Seattle. Nirvana was basically Kurt's vehicle, whereas Pearl Jam seems to be more than just Ed's baby.

Now what mainstream rock acts are popular? Linkin Park, Nickelback, Three Days Grace, Hinder etc... big difference in my view

Which, for the most part, are all influenced sonicaly by the big 4 from Seattle. There are some bright spots in mainstream rock, though: Queens of the Stone Age, The White Stripes, Modest Mouse, Arcade Fire, Franz Ferdinand, Arctic Monkeys, etc.

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FreshTendrils wrote:

Personally, and this isn't because Pearl Jam is "omg teh greatest band evar," I think Pearl Jam is the better overall band to come from Seattle. Nirvana was basically Kurt's vehicle, whereas Pearl Jam seems to be more than just Ed's baby.

I agree, Nirvana could've been Kurt Cobain and any 2 other people...it wouldn't have mattered. Not to say the others weren't good, because they were...but the whole creative direction for Nirvana depended on Cobain. Pearl Jam is much more democratic.

glasshouse

Whether Nirvana changed anything at all, or whether they were the most significant band of the 90’s (with which I whole heartedly disagree) – are totally irrelevant to me.

Their music have never meant anything to me and I have always perceived them as a trailer trash outcast band embraced by the same millions of people embracing pop culture today. Pop culture = motherfucking joke. Nirvana have never been anything more than pop – don’t kid yourself in thinking they were a revolutionary rock group.

I repeat, their music means nothing to me. Zero.

glasshouse

Cheguevara6 wrote:

yet very few critics or top 10 lists would list Pearl Jam or Ed as one of the most important bands ever or one of the most important frontmen ever.

typical Nirvana cocksucker we have here. typical. boo

glasshouse

Cheguevara6 wrote:

. yet very few critics or top 10 lists would list Pearl Jam or Ed as one of the most important bands ever or one of the most important frontmen ever.

what is your take on Pearl Jam's status mate? Cause hiding your Nirvana > Pearl Jam propaganda behind what "critics and top 10 lists" would say is cowardice.

Evacuation Rules

You never see this much hatred for Pearl Jam on Nirvana boards. In fact, Nirvana's fanbase are far more accepting and intelligent as a whole. Pearl Jam sure do have a lot of stuck up and spoiled little snots for fans.

glasshouse

JWBusher wrote:

You never see this much hatred for Pearl Jam on Nirvana boards. In fact, Nirvana's fanbase are far more accepting and intelligent as a whole. Pearl Jam sure do have a lot of stuck up and spoiled little snots for fans.

i rest my case

i like matt.c

I like Nirvana. Not my Fav band but IMO they're good. That's all I have to say.

whodunnitb4

Cheguevara6 wrote:

kurts death has little to do with it. He was continually refered to as a genius and the spokesman of generation x long before he committed suicide.

Again, I think this is all a Nirvana vs pearl Jam thing. For years this board has had an underlying hatred of Nirvana. The only reasoning I can come up with is that Kurt and Nirvana are continually refered to as one of the most important bands ever. yet very few critics or top 10 lists would list Pearl Jam or Ed as one of the most important bands ever or one of the most important frontmen ever.

Thank you.