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  • JH6056
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    2-feign-reluctance said:
    Is Luther widely considered the best performances from them during that period? Or are there shows considered to be even better? 
    I have no idea if these 2 shows get high grades from those who know ALL the shows, but I was at Amherst & U Conn on the '96 Dave & Tim tour and they were PHENOMENAL shows. Some of the Davespeak alone was.... unforgettable. But I have no idea how the recordings (because I only had fan recordings after that, not soundboards) are or how those shows are ranked compared to Luther so maybe there are others that are even better.
    As much as I love 96,  03 benefits from more of a song catalog just based on the year. 96 is pretty much two albums worth. There are some great sound boards.  app state university, one in VA and wake forest in particular from 03.  Tim is on fire as well 

    I think the D&T shows I’ve been to since all fail to live up to 03. I never attended the 96 shows in person though 

    96 is very highly regarded I think. Pretty sure I’ve got audience recordings of both those shows somewhere 


    I'll have to take some time this winter/spring & dig into some '03 D&T shows, because I don't think I've ever listened to any of them all the way through. Do the recordings only have the songs, or is all the Davespeak on them too?  That's a big part of it for me, I'd want the stories in between because that was the full package of stellar-ness for me.  And yes, stellar-ness is a word. ;)

    But of all the D&T moments that were memorable, perhaps the single most memorable one, which was maybe UConn on that '96 run, was when both of them did "interpretive dance" to Soul Coughing's song Janine, it was both HYSTERICAL, sweet, and kinda touching. But imagine Dave & Tim putting down their guitars and pretty much acting out stories through dance... will never forget that. It was funny & sweet as hell.
    Lots of dave speak for sure. Now I may be getting the soundboard/official recordings as I think there are a couple available from the warehouse and the audience recordings mixed up but they are there somewhere.  I was at 3 shows that tour and he gave some awesome stories 

    Benaroya solo 02 has an entire LP side of Dave speak but he was just rambling that night but that also stands out for an official release not being edited 

    i just checked Boone NC 03 is a soundboard and that’s got at least 4 stories.  Blue man group story, when he worked for a knife thrower, the Porsche hitting the cow story and a skiing story 


    So the rambling Davespeak isn't quite epic stories, but some amusing rambling?  Cool that an entire album is that.

    Hey, since it's just you, me and mrussel1 in this convo (no one else reads this thread, right? :) ), can I ask a question that I suspect is one of those "The topic that shall not be mentioned" things in DMB land... I feel like just as I stopped going to DMB shows, maybe mostly '02-'04, In Ear Monitor recordings were a big thing being traded. Because I became friends with the band, for some of the later shows I saw I was able to either stand side-stage or in the sound booth and wear headphones so I could hear all the IEM chatter, so I KNOW some of it was EPIC and hysterical. But I also know fans then figured out how to tune into the frequency and record some, and that tapes & cds or IEM chatter started making the rounds, intiially I think without anyone from the band or management taking issue with them.  Pretty sure though, given that it's how the band communicates about both funny things and serious, a stop was put to recording them and trading them? But that was after I wasn't around much so I don't know what happened.

    I'm only back reading about DMB in discussion groups since the pandemic, and don't see it mentioned anywhere anymore, so what's the deal with those? Are they still traded on the DL? Are there any legendary 120 min cassettes of JUST IEM chatter, or Davespeak & IEM chatter?  That would be awesome to hear again if it's out there!

    But don't tell anyone I asked, if it's not supposed to be discussed!
    I’ve actually never heard of that. I used to trade a lot of shows back in the blanks and postage days then when it was just zip files and I never came across an IEM recording or anyone talking about it.  So that’s news to me.  
    Ok like I said, I didn't mention it! But I absolutely remember it, maybe it was smaller than I think in terms of who knew how to do it and who was recording it.  The band definitely knew but I feel like at one of the last shows I saw I asked and realized it was a NO-NO topic, so I never found out what happened. But it was definitely a fan thing that was a thing. Sssssssshhh!

    OR.. maybe it was never recorded, maybe fans just figured out how to tune into it and were listening? 

    It's also a slim chance I made that whole thing up in my memory and it never happened that way. Such things happen. But I'm so tech-clueless that the odds of me "inventing" something like this are near impossible, I don't know enough to dream up these mistakes.

    Let me know if you find anything out!
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  • Cropduster-80
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    You’re right, LT23.  I had forgotten that made it out.  And BTCS was a great tour.  Saw it in Tampa.  Although the 2000 tour is easily my favorite, when the Lillywhite songs showed up.  
    When's the last year you saw DMB, and what about '00 tour makes it your favorite of all?  Not arguing, I loved it too, just curious :)
      I am both lucky and sad to have been at Roi’s last show.  


    I feel the same way about the gorge shows that year when they came back, must have been like a week after he died. I’ll always remember those glow sticks and the band just stopping and watching it for like 10 minutes it seemed like 
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  • mrussel1
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    I’ve seen, had Pearl Jam ear monitor stuff, but not DMB.  There is so much sbd stuff for both bands, it doesn’t make sense to mess with inferior recordings anymore.  I was a heavy trader and bootlegger back in the day but I can’t recall the last time I touched a Schoepes tape.

    and you can pm me if you want any live DMB.  I have everything.  
  • JH6056
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    You’re right, LT23.  I had forgotten that made it out.  And BTCS was a great tour.  Saw it in Tampa.  Although the 2000 tour is easily my favorite, when the Lillywhite songs showed up.  
    When's the last year you saw DMB, and what about '00 tour makes it your favorite of all?  Not arguing, I loved it too, just curious :)
    I’ve seen at least twice on every US tour since 98 I believe.  I always do VA Beach, Bristow and then every other year or so he’ll do two winter shows in cville.  I will also do Tampa and East coast of FL often, but not every year.  Usually it depends on if I like the vibe that summer.  For example, I thought the sets were pretty stale around 15, 16 and 17. Too much Away from the World for too long.  But I think they were rejuvenated with Come Tomorrow and Buddy joining.  I think that record comes off great live.  So I’m sure I’m up past 50 shows.at this point.  

    2000 to about 2003 was peak DMB for me.  Lillywhite/Busted Stuff is my favorite work and that was in heavy rotation in that era.  Plus I thought Butch’s piano was great.  So having him, ‘Roi still alive, plus the songs were peaking makes that era my favorite.  I am both lucky and sad to have been at Roi’s last show.  

    Oh and I guess I do have a minor connection.  I knew Butch Taylor back then.  He did the jingle work for Capital One and we worked on some marketing stuff.  Really nice guy.  
    Wow 2 every year for 21 or so years! Amazing, very consistent!

    That's nuts that you were at Roi's last show, I think I was at the show right after his last show (if it was Atlanta) because the band had just come from visiting him in the hospital the day before, and everyone was super hopeful that all would be fine, he was making a good recovery.  

    I don't have DMB live official albums, but rented a car during pandemic with Sirius XM so toggled a lot between like 6 stations (of course PJ Radio) but also DMB.  Heard a live show that was SO emotional, long story short I looked at the city & year on the display and pulled over to look it up on my phone thinking "This HAS to be the 1st show they played after Roi died" and it was.  It was SO SO SO emotional, naturally.

    Butch is a really nice guy. I don't think I've seen him since '02 maybe? When did he stop touring with them? Super talented.
  • mrussel1
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    Butch stopped in 08.  Rumor was that he enjoyed the groupies and it was the band or his wife.

    Yes I’ve been consistent but I live in the center of three places he always hits, so it’s easy.  Charlottesville is definitely my favorite place to see him.  He plays JPJ Arena which is too small for him so it’s great.  It’s special. Plus, everyone will tell you that Pearl Jam Charlottesville 2013 was special too.  There is just a vibe about UVA that makes it a great place to see a show.  
  • Cropduster-80
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    mrussel1 said:
    Butch stopped in 08.  Rumor was that he enjoyed the groupies and it was the band or his wife.

    Yes I’ve been consistent but I live in the center of three places he always hits, so it’s easy.  Charlottesville is definitely my favorite place to see him.  He plays JPJ Arena which is too small for him so it’s great.  It’s special. Plus, everyone will tell you that Pearl Jam Charlottesville 2013 was special too.  There is just a vibe about UVA that makes it a great place to see a show.  
    Butch leaving is still the last story on nancies.org. It’s Still up 
  • JH6056
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    mrussel1 said:
    Butch stopped in 08.  Rumor was that he enjoyed the groupies and it was the band or his wife.

    Yes I’ve been consistent but I live in the center of three places he always hits, so it’s easy.  Charlottesville is definitely my favorite place to see him.  He plays JPJ Arena which is too small for him so it’s great.  It’s special. Plus, everyone will tell you that Pearl Jam Charlottesville 2013 was special too.  There is just a vibe about UVA that makes it a great place to see a show.  
    I've never seen DMB in Charlottesville, but I was at that 2013 PJ show at JPJ Arena and it was INDEED EPIC! I've seen a lot of PJ shows going back to '93 and that was a favorite. 

    I heard about "trench coat guy", wasn't that at DMB playing the 1st show ever at the renovated or new JPJ Arena? Sounds like security was a hot mess that that whole thing happened, but glad they go back a lot and I'm sure they never got security wrong again there!
  • Cropduster-80
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    JH6056 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Butch stopped in 08.  Rumor was that he enjoyed the groupies and it was the band or his wife.

    Yes I’ve been consistent but I live in the center of three places he always hits, so it’s easy.  Charlottesville is definitely my favorite place to see him.  He plays JPJ Arena which is too small for him so it’s great.  It’s special. Plus, everyone will tell you that Pearl Jam Charlottesville 2013 was special too.  There is just a vibe about UVA that makes it a great place to see a show.  
    I've never seen DMB in Charlottesville, but I was at that 2013 PJ show at JPJ Arena and it was INDEED EPIC! I've seen a lot of PJ shows going back to '93 and that was a favorite. 

    I heard about "trench coat guy", wasn't that at DMB playing the 1st show ever at the renovated or new JPJ Arena? Sounds like security was a hot mess that that whole thing happened, but glad they go back a lot and I'm sure they never got security wrong again there!
    Trench coat guy 😂. I forgot about that 
  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    Cropduster-80 said:
    JH6056 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Butch stopped in 08.  Rumor was that he enjoyed the groupies and it was the band or his wife.

    Yes I’ve been consistent but I live in the center of three places he always hits, so it’s easy.  Charlottesville is definitely my favorite place to see him.  He plays JPJ Arena which is too small for him so it’s great.  It’s special. Plus, everyone will tell you that Pearl Jam Charlottesville 2013 was special too.  There is just a vibe about UVA that makes it a great place to see a show.  
    I've never seen DMB in Charlottesville, but I was at that 2013 PJ show at JPJ Arena and it was INDEED EPIC! I've seen a lot of PJ shows going back to '93 and that was a favorite. 

    I heard about "trench coat guy", wasn't that at DMB playing the 1st show ever at the renovated or new JPJ Arena? Sounds like security was a hot mess that that whole thing happened, but glad they go back a lot and I'm sure they never got security wrong again there!
    Trench coat guy 😂. I forgot about that 
    Hearing that story was how I found out that The Last Stop is like a white whale for a lot of people. I had no idea they play it so infrequently, and apparently it was on the setlist to close that show but Trench Coat Guy messed it up for everyone, so it was like people were more mad abotu that than the potential safety hazard he posed to the band!
  • Cropduster-80
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    edited February 2022
    JH6056 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    JH6056 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Butch stopped in 08.  Rumor was that he enjoyed the groupies and it was the band or his wife.

    Yes I’ve been consistent but I live in the center of three places he always hits, so it’s easy.  Charlottesville is definitely my favorite place to see him.  He plays JPJ Arena which is too small for him so it’s great.  It’s special. Plus, everyone will tell you that Pearl Jam Charlottesville 2013 was special too.  There is just a vibe about UVA that makes it a great place to see a show.  
    I've never seen DMB in Charlottesville, but I was at that 2013 PJ show at JPJ Arena and it was INDEED EPIC! I've seen a lot of PJ shows going back to '93 and that was a favorite. 

    I heard about "trench coat guy", wasn't that at DMB playing the 1st show ever at the renovated or new JPJ Arena? Sounds like security was a hot mess that that whole thing happened, but glad they go back a lot and I'm sure they never got security wrong again there!
    Trench coat guy 😂. I forgot about that 
    Hearing that story was how I found out that The Last Stop is like a white whale for a lot of people. I had no idea they play it so infrequently, and apparently it was on the setlist to close that show but Trench Coat Guy messed it up for everyone, so it was like people were more mad abotu that than the potential safety hazard he posed to the band!
    People were pissed. Yelling at him and throwing stuff.  There are a lot of rumours as to who the guy is. It was discussed a lot 
  • JH6056
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    Cropduster-80 said:
    JH6056 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    JH6056 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Butch stopped in 08.  Rumor was that he enjoyed the groupies and it was the band or his wife.

    Yes I’ve been consistent but I live in the center of three places he always hits, so it’s easy.  Charlottesville is definitely my favorite place to see him.  He plays JPJ Arena which is too small for him so it’s great.  It’s special. Plus, everyone will tell you that Pearl Jam Charlottesville 2013 was special too.  There is just a vibe about UVA that makes it a great place to see a show.  
    I've never seen DMB in Charlottesville, but I was at that 2013 PJ show at JPJ Arena and it was INDEED EPIC! I've seen a lot of PJ shows going back to '93 and that was a favorite. 

    I heard about "trench coat guy", wasn't that at DMB playing the 1st show ever at the renovated or new JPJ Arena? Sounds like security was a hot mess that that whole thing happened, but glad they go back a lot and I'm sure they never got security wrong again there!
    Trench coat guy 😂. I forgot about that 
    Hearing that story was how I found out that The Last Stop is like a white whale for a lot of people. I had no idea they play it so infrequently, and apparently it was on the setlist to close that show but Trench Coat Guy messed it up for everyone, so it was like people were more mad abotu that than the potential safety hazard he posed to the band!
    People were pissed. Yelling at him and throwing stuff.  There are a lot of rumours as to who the guy is. It was discussed a lot 
    Anything credible about who he was? He just sounded like a very mentally unstable guy who maybe was a bit too obsessed with the band - was there anything more to the story or a different story about him that was credible?
  • mrussel1
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    Yeah it was the last show... I don't recall it being the reopening of the arena but certainly may have been.  And yeah definitely a whale but they brought it back in 19 and I got it twice in three shows,  but they abbreviated it.  

    Last tour they brought back Sweet Up and Down and that was a whale for me. Loved it. 

    But yes,  PJ at JPJ was one of the best PJ shows in the past decade plus for me. Perfect weather,  perfect arena,  perfect set. And we were rail in front of Stone.  If you recall, Ed gave a young man next to me his first drink of alcohol.  I talked to the father later on and he said they went backstage and Ed hung for a few and then they got a truckload of merch.
  • JH6056
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    edited February 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    Yeah it was the last show... I don't recall it being the reopening of the arena but certainly may have been.  And yeah definitely a whale but they brought it back in 19 and I got it twice in three shows,  but they abbreviated it.  

    Last tour they brought back Sweet Up and Down and that was a whale for me. Loved it. 

    But yes,  PJ at JPJ was one of the best PJ shows in the past decade plus for me. Perfect weather,  perfect arena,  perfect set. And we were rail in front of Stone.  If you recall, Ed gave a young man next to me his first drink of alcohol.  I talked to the father later on and he said they went backstage and Ed hung for a few and then they got a truckload of merch.
    Yes I remember that young man & his dad, but from a ways back because I was on the 1st level of seats on the side. That's a very sweet story, glad Ed was able to hang out with them for a bit. I BET they got a truckload of merch too, perfect!

    If you were in front of Stone you probably didn't catch my favorite part of the show, but there was a guy I saw from my seats in a wheelchair trying to get into the pit but he didn't have a wristband. He was trying to explain to venue staff he couldn't see a THING from his seat further back on the floor because everyone was standing on their chairs, but they wouldn't let him in. I spotted someone who worked for PJ walking by and flagged him down, pointed out the guy in the wheelchair, and the guy said "I was just trying to find someone to give these to... and there he is!" and he had 2 pit wristbands in his hand, and he went to the guy, got him & his friend into the pit, and then PJ fans did what I figure they almost NEVER DO and parted like the Red Sea and gave him a path allt he way up to the rail, after the show had started!

    I saw him when it was all over and he was in tears, he had such a great time and that was like the best icing on top of the cake of a freaking amazing PJ show.

    Uh oh, did we break forum rules, talking about PJ in a non-PJ forum? ;)
  • Cropduster-80
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    JH6056 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    JH6056 said:
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    JH6056 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Butch stopped in 08.  Rumor was that he enjoyed the groupies and it was the band or his wife.

    Yes I’ve been consistent but I live in the center of three places he always hits, so it’s easy.  Charlottesville is definitely my favorite place to see him.  He plays JPJ Arena which is too small for him so it’s great.  It’s special. Plus, everyone will tell you that Pearl Jam Charlottesville 2013 was special too.  There is just a vibe about UVA that makes it a great place to see a show.  
    I've never seen DMB in Charlottesville, but I was at that 2013 PJ show at JPJ Arena and it was INDEED EPIC! I've seen a lot of PJ shows going back to '93 and that was a favorite. 

    I heard about "trench coat guy", wasn't that at DMB playing the 1st show ever at the renovated or new JPJ Arena? Sounds like security was a hot mess that that whole thing happened, but glad they go back a lot and I'm sure they never got security wrong again there!
    Trench coat guy 😂. I forgot about that 
    Hearing that story was how I found out that The Last Stop is like a white whale for a lot of people. I had no idea they play it so infrequently, and apparently it was on the setlist to close that show but Trench Coat Guy messed it up for everyone, so it was like people were more mad abotu that than the potential safety hazard he posed to the band!
    People were pissed. Yelling at him and throwing stuff.  There are a lot of rumours as to who the guy is. It was discussed a lot 
    Anything credible about who he was? He just sounded like a very mentally unstable guy who maybe was a bit too obsessed with the band - was there anything more to the story or a different story about him that was credible?
    There were a lot of threads at ants.

    speculation mostly as to how he got backstage in the first place in a trench coat if no one knew him 
  • mrussel1
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    I ended up editing that show so while I didn't see it at the time,  I saw it after when editing.  So many great memories.  It was also 2 days after Lou Reed died and a guy was roaming the pit in Lou shirt and giant sign.  There was all kinds of shit going on at the show. 

    It reminds me of 2016 when the guy in the wheelchair from PJs 1998 show in Lauderdale was brought back on stage.  This was the famous guy who crowd surfed in his wheelchair at the Lauderdale baseball stadium.  
  • JH6056
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    mrussel1 said:
    I ended up editing that show so while I didn't see it at the time,  I saw it after when editing.  So many great memories.  It was also 2 days after Lou Reed died and a guy was roaming the pit in Lou shirt and giant sign.  There was all kinds of shit going on at the show. 

    It reminds me of 2016 when the guy in the wheelchair from PJs 1998 show in Lauderdale was brought back on stage.  This was the famous guy who crowd surfed in his wheelchair at the Lauderdale baseball stadium.  
    Memriiiiiiies! I didn't know about the Lauderdale guy, so cool! And at a STADIUM show? Amazing he lived to tell, or that anyone did, that can't be easy to crowd surf in a wheelchair!

    When you say you "edited the show", do you mean your own video? Or you edited an official version? I should look for more video fo that show, it was so memorable (if we're still talking about PJ Charlottesville I mean!).
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    JH6056 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I ended up editing that show so while I didn't see it at the time,  I saw it after when editing.  So many great memories.  It was also 2 days after Lou Reed died and a guy was roaming the pit in Lou shirt and giant sign.  There was all kinds of shit going on at the show. 

    It reminds me of 2016 when the guy in the wheelchair from PJs 1998 show in Lauderdale was brought back on stage.  This was the famous guy who crowd surfed in his wheelchair at the Lauderdale baseball stadium.  
    Memriiiiiiies! I didn't know about the Lauderdale guy, so cool! And at a STADIUM show? Amazing he lived to tell, or that anyone did, that can't be easy to crowd surf in a wheelchair!

    When you say you "edited the show", do you mean your own video? Or you edited an official version? I should look for more video fo that show, it was so memorable (if we're still talking about PJ Charlottesville I mean!).
    I edit full concerts as a hobby.  Been on hiatus for a little bit of time.  here's the channel, check it out.  Probably half of them get taken down, but there are still like 25 up, including two DMB shows.  

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn-WEUogXBFbwfm3nmGN3rw
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,884
    Even easier, link directly to Last Stop..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIP8PJzssdQ&t=2658s
  • JH6056
    JH6056 Posts: 2,437
    mrussel1 said:
    Even easier, link directly to Last Stop..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIP8PJzssdQ&t=2658s
    Thanks!!
  • qontheboard
    qontheboard Posts: 787
    So I have been in and out of the Warehouse numerous times over the years. Currently I've been active since Jan 2019. Should I bother going for GA Pit tickets? I am going to the Toronto show. One night only and the pit is always packed with hard-cores. I am guessing that 3 consecutive years in won't get me pit tickets. Any advice?
        

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