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The Legacy Of Jim Morrison

fadafada Posts: 1,032
edited October 2008 in Other Music
He can all acknowledge that that man was a great singer but what is his lasting legacy?

Did he piss away his life in a drunken stupor from 68 to 71?
Did he die in a nightclub in Paris and did think that he was taking cocaine not heroin before he died?
Was he really a junkie or mearly an alcoholic who was caught up in his girlfriends trouble?
He destroyed the live doors output alot in this time and from a rock God in 67 he transferred into into a flabby drunk.
Did the fact that Robbie Kreuger wrote "light my fire" eat up at him when he was looking for the glory from such a song.

His wife ( girlfriend really) Pamela was a junkie who sponged off him to finance her clothes boutique.
~Jim was a bi sexual who was involved in alot of rough sex.

Would his work be classed as great poetry or just drugged out writings of a man trying to find himself.
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  • surfanddestroysurfanddestroy Posts: 2,786
    He was a fantastic poet.

    All of the stuff you mention is regarding his personal life and should hold no bearing to his lasting legacy.

    He was a true talent.
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  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    fada wrote:
    Did he die in a nightclub in Paris and did think that he was taking cocaine not heroin before he died?
    No, he died in the bath.
    "I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
  • fadafada Posts: 1,032
    A wasted talent.

    Was he placed in a bathtub or go there himself?
    There was definitely drugs involved so I take it thats why he was buried so quickly
  • surfanddestroysurfanddestroy Posts: 2,786
    fada wrote:
    A wasted talent.

    Was he placed in a bathtub or go there himself?
    There was definitely drugs involved so I take it thats why he was buried so quickly

    An autopsy was never carried out as there was no evidence of foul play.
    Astoria 20/04/06, Leeds 25/08/06, Prague 22/09/06, Wembley 18/06/07,
    Dusseldorf 21/06/07, Manchester 17/08/09, London 18/08/09, LA 06/10/09, LA 07/10/09.

    Ain't gonna be any middle anymore.
  • fadafada Posts: 1,032
    Something bad happens in paris in 71 that was covered up in my humble opinion.
  • surfanddestroysurfanddestroy Posts: 2,786
    fada wrote:
    Something bad happens in paris in 71 that was covered up in my humble opinion.

    We will never know.
    Astoria 20/04/06, Leeds 25/08/06, Prague 22/09/06, Wembley 18/06/07,
    Dusseldorf 21/06/07, Manchester 17/08/09, London 18/08/09, LA 06/10/09, LA 07/10/09.

    Ain't gonna be any middle anymore.
  • fadafada Posts: 1,032
    I don't have the doors live album but I think its a mix of different concerts. What was their general live output like and is the live album worth getting?
  • surfanddestroysurfanddestroy Posts: 2,786
    fada wrote:
    I don't have the doors live album but I think its a mix of different concerts. What was their general live output like and is the live album worth getting?

    Most definitely, I have a couple of live recordings and they are really, really good.
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    Dusseldorf 21/06/07, Manchester 17/08/09, London 18/08/09, LA 06/10/09, LA 07/10/09.

    Ain't gonna be any middle anymore.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    why do i drink?
    so that i can write poetry.

    sometimes when its all spun out
    and all that is ugly recedes
    into a deep sleep
    there is an awakening
    and all that remains is true.
    as the body is ravaged
    the spirit grows stronger.

    forgive me father for i know
    what i do.
    i want to hear the last poem
    of the last poet
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    fada wrote:
    Would his work be classed as great poetry or just drugged out writings of a man trying to find himself.
    I think most of it was great, and some of it was drugged-out nonsense writing. That's all I really care about when it comes to him. He wrote some songs that I really love because they've enhanced my life in some kinda way.
  • lalalalaaaaaaaalalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    fada wrote:
    A wasted talent.

    pffffft...no way :p I don't think his talents were ever fully kineticized, but he definitely didn't waste them. He put out lots of great stuff in the short time he had.
  • fadafada Posts: 1,032
    What about his output from soft paradise on? His live shows from this period were hits and miss, brillant one day and terrible the next.

    Wasted talent was referring to the fact that the doors could have been bigger than Zeppelin if morrison looked after himself.
  • surfanddestroysurfanddestroy Posts: 2,786
    fada wrote:
    What about his output from soft paradise on? His live shows from this period were hits and miss, brillant one day and terrible the next.

    Wasted talent was referring to the fact that the doors could have been bigger than Zeppelin if morrison looked after himself.

    But then he would not have been Morrison.
    Astoria 20/04/06, Leeds 25/08/06, Prague 22/09/06, Wembley 18/06/07,
    Dusseldorf 21/06/07, Manchester 17/08/09, London 18/08/09, LA 06/10/09, LA 07/10/09.

    Ain't gonna be any middle anymore.
  • Jack_C_GregoryJack_C_Gregory Posts: 540
    I think the legacy of Jim Morrison is having his image printed on tie-dye flags hanging in the rooms of annoying 15 year old boys that have just discovered the Doors - resulting in said annoying boys trying to bring up Jim Morrison in every conversation.

    I always feel bad for Robby, John and Ray because of the lack of props they get.
  • fadafada Posts: 1,032
    True in the last part , they were great musicians. John was the one who couldn't tollerate behaviour the least in the doors but a great drummer non the less
  • Dismantle The SunDismantle The Sun Posts: 139
    It's sad to see what drugs do to someone. In the end it had taken control. There were stories Jim exposed himself before an audience and was arrested for indecency.
    The guy had talent, and his poetry is legendary. He intended to find himself through drugs and his poetry, but he never did.
    Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun - W.H. Auden
  • elmerelmer Posts: 1,683
    fada wrote:
    ~Jim was a bi sexual who was involved in alot of rough sex.
    :D I've never heard that.

    The film didn't help his legacy.

    Was a rumour that he snorted Pamela's H thinking it was Cocaine before taking his last bath.

    The Doors album In Concert is essential, if only for the scream that begins Backdoor Man.
  • fadafada Posts: 1,032
    elmer wrote:
    :D I've never heard that.

    The film didn't help his legacy.

    Was a rumour that he snorted Pamela's H thinking it was Cocaine before taking his last bath.

    The Doors album In Concert is essential, if only for the scream that begins Backdoor Man.


    He had an encounter with an man in his ULCA years and wasn't overtly bothered whom went down on mind. Supposedly favoured the back entrance when performing a sex act too
  • fadafada Posts: 1,032
    Anyone hear ever visit his grave or attend a concert he performed at( Second one a long shot I know)?
  • surfanddestroysurfanddestroy Posts: 2,786
    fada wrote:
    Anyone hear ever visit his grave or attend a concert he performed at( Second one a long shot I know)?

    Never visited his grave but I am booked in to stay at his hotel room at the Alta Cienega in LA.
    Astoria 20/04/06, Leeds 25/08/06, Prague 22/09/06, Wembley 18/06/07,
    Dusseldorf 21/06/07, Manchester 17/08/09, London 18/08/09, LA 06/10/09, LA 07/10/09.

    Ain't gonna be any middle anymore.
  • HailHailLukinHailHailLukin Posts: 107
    fada wrote:
    I don't have the doors live album but I think its a mix of different concerts. What was their general live output like and is the live album worth getting?
    they just released a couple of live albums- the Pittsburgh one is really good
    "Yeah, but what happened to the Dufranes?"
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Jimbo all his life was trying to go mano e mano with his admiral father, in every respect from getting his first amendment rights skewed to the degree that he thought it essential to murder the English language at every opportunity, to making a big deal about being a spolt little hedonist with a substance abuse problem. The legacy of James Douglas Morrison is George Walker Bush.
  • Sian-of-the-deadSian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    I've never been a Doors / Jim Morrison fan... don't really know why... :confused:
    Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...

    ... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Jimbo all his life was trying to go mano e mano with his admiral father, in every respect from getting his first amendment rights skewed to the degree that he thought it essential to murder the English language at every opportunity, to making a big deal about being a spolt little hedonist with a substance abuse problem. The legacy of James Douglas Morrison is George Walker Bush.

    really? think georgie girl writes poetry too? :D
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    catefrances wrote:
    really? think georgie girl writes poetry too? :D


    No. I think that, like Jimbob, he has a talent for spouting incomprehensible shite. And like The End, his crap drones on for about eight fucking years.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    No. I think that, like Jimbob, he has a talent for spouting incomprehensible shite. And like The End, his crap drones on for about eight fucking years.

    father i want to kill you... mother i want to...

    you know what shits me about this oedipal crapola? okay ill tell you... he didnt know. oedipus was unaware when he did it that he killed his father and married his mother. i dont give a fuck about all that subconscious bullshit... sweet jesus i hate freud. i do however like peace frog.:D
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • surfanddestroysurfanddestroy Posts: 2,786
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    No. I think that, like Jimbob, he has a talent for spouting incomprehensible shite. And like The End, his crap drones on for about eight fucking years.

    Once I had a little game
    I liked to crawl back in my brain
    I think you know the game I mean
    I mean the game called "Go Insane"
    Now you should try this little game
    Just close your eyes forget your name
    Forget the world, forget the people
    And we'll erect a different steeple.
    This little game is fun to do.
    Just close your eyes, no way to lose
    And I'm right here, I'm going too
    Release control, we're breaking through

    I wouldn't call that incomprehensible shite, but each to their own.
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    Dusseldorf 21/06/07, Manchester 17/08/09, London 18/08/09, LA 06/10/09, LA 07/10/09.

    Ain't gonna be any middle anymore.
  • fadafada Posts: 1,032
    catefrances wrote:
    father i want to kill you... mother i want to...

    you know what shits me about this oedipal crapola? okay ill tell you... he didnt know. oedipus was unaware when he did it that he killed his father and married his mother. i dont give a fuck about all that subconscious bullshit... sweet jesus i hate freud. i do however like peace frog.:D



    Wasn't the above part edited so that the "fuck fuck" part of the end wasn't heard?
    Was it put back in on "Apocalypse Now" at the killing of Brando scene?
  • JordyWordyJordyWordy Posts: 2,261
    catefrances wrote:
    i do however like peace frog.:D

    what a tune!!

    I think he was like most alcoholics, he suffered from a disease that ruined him in the end.

    that being said, i love his stuff. which is why i dont like the fact that that he's so synonymous with young death.
    the whole Hendrix/ Cobain/ Joplin / Buckley x2 group of "what could have been". They all had an impact in their short lives, and when someone achieves that early on its hard not to wonder what they could have done.
    Then again, when their legacy is a body of work released in the artists prime years, it contributes to the idea they could do no wrong - for example, would Hendrix have become bland or "McCartney-esque" as Clapton became in later years??

    even tho some of his stuff was drunkenly inspired, he was fairly prolific with his lyrics & the solo poetry release... the whole band were quite prolific really for what a short career they had...was it only 6 years or so?
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