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Dylan Post Bike Crash

fadafada Posts: 1,032
edited January 2008 in Other Music
Was listening to "Self Portrait" recently and just wanted to know how it was proceeded at the time. It seems to me to be a bit coherent and mis matched
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  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Dylan had his motorcycle crash in July 1966. He recorded the basement sessions in June - September 1967. He recorded John Wesley Harding in October-November 1967. Nashville Skyline was recorded in February 1969. Self Portrait, abomination that it is, was recorded across April 1969-March 1970. Dylan nuts - including Dylan himself - try to argue that the album is intentionally shit. If so, it would be better than this.
  • fadafada Posts: 1,032
    Nashville skyline was going the country route, had he embraced it fully by the time of "Self Portait". I still think that it has its moments but not sure why he included concert material when what IF I was a Dylan fan at the time would have wanted to hear was "Maggie's farm" live
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    dylan and PJ are the ONLY two artists I can think of in music history who have been the biggest things in the world and INTENTIONALLY put out stuff that would diminish their fan base.
  • intodeepintodeep Posts: 7,240
    radiohead33 wrote:
    dylan and PJ are the ONLY two artists I can think of in music history who have been the biggest things in the world and INTENTIONALLY put out stuff that would diminish their fan base.

    Neil Young was not the biggest thing in the world in the early 80's but after a successful rust never sleeps tour he was still pretty popular when he started experimenting and giving the finger to the record company.

    so perhaps not trying to diminish the fan base but definatly doing things he had to know would hurt his "succesfulness"
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  • JoahJoah Posts: 18
    Nirvana made In Utero less poppier to make their fan base shrink.
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  • Jeremy1012Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Joah wrote:
    Nirvana made In Utero less poppier to make their fan base shrink.
    Nah, Kurt wanted to appear less hypocritical (all that PJ ripping and poison comparisons seemed a bit dumb when he described Nevermind as sounding like a Motley Crue record) so he went rawer to earn back his somewhat dubious "punk" credentials by getting Steve Albini. THEN Kurt decided Albini's production was too raw and not commercial enough and would alienate fans so they remixed it. Kurt didn't want to lose fans. He loved being famous, he said that's all he wanted his whole life. he just didn't know what to do with it. Dylan is another story. I dont think fame was important to him at all. He just wanted to do whatever he wanted and he'd be damned if public perception was going to be a factor in it.
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  • fadafada Posts: 1,032
    I don't think that he wanted to diswaver fans (dylan) but he didn't tour for a few years at the time and with the big folk scene (CSN&Y, Mitchell etc) I think that he was getting into God or country music at the time
  • pearlzepfanpearlzepfan Posts: 456
    radiohead33 wrote:
    dylan and PJ are the ONLY two artists I can think of in music history who have been the biggest things in the world and INTENTIONALLY put out stuff that would diminish their fan base.


    Isn't that what Radiohead did with Kid A?
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  • Cropduster84Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    pearlzepfan wrote:
    Isn't that what Radiohead did with Kid A?


    I question many statements that suggest bands record albums to LOSE fans.....reminds me of that Bill Hicks piece.....

    Kid A was born out of a difficult productive period for Radiohead, sort of like No Code for PJ......
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  • bird jambird jam Posts: 107
    According to what he told Crowe for the Biograph liner notes:

    "Self Portrait was a bunch of tracks that we'd done all the time I'd gone to Nashville. We did that stuff to get a [studio] sound. To open up we'd do two or three songs, just to get things right and then we'd go on and do what we were going to do. And then there was a lot of other stuff that was just on the shelf. But I was being bootlegged at the time and a lot of stuff that was worse was appearing on bootleg records. So I just figured I'd put all this stuff together and put it out, my own bootleg record, so to speak. You know, if it actually had been a bootleg record, people probably would have sneaked around to buy it and played it for each other secretly. Also, I wasn't going to be anybody's puppet and I figured this record would put an end to that...I was just so fed up with all that who people thought I was nonsense."
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