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SMC: Sandra Black - Sandra Black

trappedinmyradiotrappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
edited January 2006 in Other Music
First, let me say that I had a hard time selecting a record to put up. I was going to go with Great Lake Swimmers' self-titled record, but thought it too much like the Jose Gonzalez record. I also thought about the Steven Burns' Songs for Dustmites record, but thought it had already been a selection. If anyone is interested in either of those albums then just let me know and I can put those up. Everyone here seems to have a much wider pallet than I do, so I figured I would try out something that was most likely not on your radar.

I have selected a band from the area where I go to school. The band is Sandra Black. It's just, sort of, rock n roll. The singer's voice might turn some people off, but I like it. The first album, the self-titled disk is far more dynamic and better than the second album. I wanted to go ahead and upload both so you can compare the two and witness the progression of the band with losing a few band members. From the first album to the second they lost their lead and rhythm guitarist (the rhythm guy is a friend of mine) and the sound just seems to have gone to the basement. Though I like both albums, the second on is lacking in punch.

I'm bad at characterizing music. To me, this is just rock n roll.

from http://www.leftofthedial.com

Sandra Black is not a woman. It's a band - a five piece rock and roll band from Morgantown, WV that has just released its debut self-titled release. Formed almost 10 years ago by Billy Zwiener, bassist Jason Henry and drummer Bryan Newruck, Sandra Black's early home recordings created a buzz in town. After the departure of Newruck in 97, Zwienr elnisted his younger brother Dan who was only 16 at the time to hold down the drumming duties for the group. The group shared a common musical vision and a mutual admiration for the indie-rock groundbreakers of their time (My Bloody Valentine, Radiohead, Ride, Guided By Voices, Sonic Youth, Yo La Tengo, and the Pixies, to name a few). Guitarists Rob Wrhle and Corey Bicanich joined later, and Zwiener began to play keyboard.

For more, see here http://www.sandrablack.com/reviews.htm

This is a band I really like. You can mention comparisons because I am at a loss, specifically. I hope you enjoy the selections.

-dominic-
I'll dig a tunnel
from my window to yours
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    I hope that people talk about the progression from the first album to the second. Sorry, about the song titles. I am working from early release copies in sleeves and the song titles aren't know to my at this juncture. If i can get that information tomorrow, I'll certainly post proper tracklists here.
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    psycosmicpsycosmic Posts: 504
    thanks, i'm looking forward to this...
    the YSI servers are too busy at the moment but i'll grab it later... i'm still not through with the last pick though...
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    transplanttransplant Posts: 1,088
    Sorry, about the song titles. I am working from early release copies in sleeves and the song titles aren't know to my at this juncture. If i can get that information tomorrow, I'll certainly post proper tracklists here.
    Hey, no problem, I did go on a mission to find them, I finally found one for the s/t but couldn't for the 40oz one. strange they don't have a tracklisting on their website.

    I will give these proper listens for sure.
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    barcoachbarcoach Posts: 413
    On my first listen right now, I liked the overall sound of the band, they seem to be pretty tight and clear with what they want to do with their music, I can see where the Ride and Yo La Tengo comparisons come from... I also can understand why you say the singer's voice might turn some people off, but maybe I'll grow to like it... will comment more later when I digest it a bit more. So far I like the mood of it, maybe it's funny but reminds a bit of my own last pick, Adorable.
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    transplanttransplant Posts: 1,088
    I had a fine afternoon today. 8 inches of snow on the ground, sunny skies, had the joint to myself. I tied flies and listened to Sandra Black, both CD's on repeat.

    I find the first CD (Sandra Black) a mix between early 90's britpop, a small dose of gritty bar band era Stones, and a Corigan like Gish vocal delivery. The production of this CD and the 40oz in particular very are well recorded. a nice clean production. not too glossy, slight edge to them.

    40oz, sounds nothing like their debut. I found myself enjoying it a tad more than the first. A bit more mature I guess (makes sense eh?) Track 7 is incredible. Incredible. Amazing really this is the same band. I wonder if there was a personel change or something? *edit* I guess I should have read your thread again.................

    I don't find anything groundbreaking about either however they are very good listens. The length of their songs is perfect, a slight in your face and on to another. I like their rockers a little more than their slower tunes.

    I can now say I have heard a band from West Virginia?. If this was my local band, I would be there in a heartbeat.

    good stuff. thank you.
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    transplanttransplant Posts: 1,088
    ok, figured out who they reminded me of a little.....Spoon. I feel better. btw, cool artwork on the cover of this one.
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    AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,206
    Anyone been arsed enough to find a tracklisting for these discs yet? I'd like to have names of songs before typing up my comments.

    Edit: nevermind, I found them.



    Sandra Black

    1. Got Mykicks
    2. Pushin It
    3. Track 3
    4. Bloom
    5. Star City
    6. Nyabinghi Dance Hall
    7. Tongue Tied
    8. Good Lord
    9. Snare Drum Sound
    10. 83 Wagon
    11. Change of Atmosphere
    12. Betty Rides Shotgun


    The 40 Ounce Confession

    1. love
    2. the bells
    3. 40 Ounce Confession
    4. downer hill
    5. edison
    6. the fifth
    7. evil
    8. am rock
    9. +1
    10. eighteen
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    where the hell did you find those? i couldn't even track down billy in this small town to ask him for the tracklists!

    i know that they all love spoon.
    AndySlash wrote:
    Anyone been arsed enough to find a tracklisting for these discs yet? I'd like to have names of songs before typing up my comments.

    Edit: nevermind, I found them.



    Sandra Black

    1. Got Mykicks
    2. Pushin It
    3. Track 3
    4. Bloom
    5. Star City
    6. Nyabinghi Dance Hall
    7. Tongue Tied
    8. Good Lord
    9. Snare Drum Sound
    10. 83 Wagon
    11. Change of Atmosphere
    12. Betty Rides Shotgun


    The 40 Ounce Confession

    1. love
    2. the bells
    3. 40 Ounce Confession
    4. downer hill
    5. edison
    6. the fifth
    7. evil
    8. am rock
    9. +1
    10. eighteen
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
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    transplanttransplant Posts: 1,088
    where the hell did you find those?
    no kidding, I tried quite a few good 'ol google searches and only came up with the first disc. Thanks AS for getting those.
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    transplant wrote:
    I can now say I have heard a band from West Virginia?. If this was my local band, I would be there in a heartbeat.

    good stuff. thank you.

    well, every time they play aroud here, i go see them. the last time i saw them...my two friends and i were drinking PBR and Carling Black Label all night. sandra black came on last and just sort of went to it. they mixed it up, but it was still a move your feet and swing your hair show.

    the song lengths are good...i thought they might be extended some in concert, but i think the new guitarist is feeling his way into the situation at this point.

    i have to apologize about the tracklisting. i know that it's annoying. thankfully, we have someone who is quite diligent (thanks a ton AS) and found them.

    just a bit of dumb trivia fodder - track 6 on disk 1 (nyabinghi dance hall) is titled as such after best concert club here in morgantown. before it was called that it was called the underground railroad, and now, today, it's called 123 pleasant street because, well, that's the address of the building. if i ever get in there early enough to take pictures, i will, because it's a really cool little niche. the crowds there, the bands, and the staff are what make living in morgantown tolerable.
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    AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,206
    It took a good half hour or so to find them. I did use google, but had to use song titles and click through links and whatnot. 40 Ounce was found on cdbaby.com using, I think, the track names from their myspace site; the self titled on a website that seems to log cd releases. I'm not going to try and find it again right now though!
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    AndySlash wrote:
    It took a good half hour or so to find them. I did use google, but had to use song titles and click through links and whatnot. 40 Ounce was found on cdbaby.com using, I think, the track names from their myspace site; the self titled on a website that seems to log cd releases. I'm not going to try and find it again right now though!

    i get the gist of it...don't find it again. :) thanks for tracking it down though. i'm such a bad SMC poster.
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    VEDHEAD27VEDHEAD27 Posts: 3,091
    Crap...first lemme say I am way behind on this one and Kev's. Sorry guys.

    trappedinmyradio, I will for sure download this sucka tomorrow and listen and comment soon after. :) Uh oh though...there's already a warning about the vocals???? :eek: And we all know how critical I can be about those! This should be interesting. ;)
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    VEDHEAD27 wrote:
    Crap...first lemme say I am way behind on this one and Kev's. Sorry guys.

    trappedinmyradio, I will for sure download this sucka tomorrow and listen and comment soon after. :) Uh oh though...there's already a warning about the vocals???? :eek: And we all know how critical I can be about those! This should be interesting. ;)

    hey, take your time...do it now...i'm bipolar. i spun the second disk lastnight on my way home from the lake - it's not that long - and, there are some great sounds in there. anyway. okay. oh no.
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    AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,206
    Well, I have to admit, when I first saw that this selection was 1) a local West Virginia band, 2) a band with a singer whose voice might be annoying, and 3) not one but TWO albums of the previously mentioned caveats, I was really skeptical. I figured I'd be listening to lo-fi recordings of the band in a local bar or something and really wasn't looking forward to it.

    Three seconds into 'Got My Kicks' my worries were put to rest.

    This is good stuff. Not all of it is great, but none of it is bad. These guys clearly have potential that makes me wonder if they were in a city where the music scene is more recognized and covered how successful they might be.

    One thing that I really like about these two albums is that no song really sounds the same as another. There are elements in each song that distinguish it from any other song on the record. This is hard for even established bands to do. I've got to give them credit for mixing it up, and for doing so with, I assume, a relatively limited selection of instruments and recording options.

    And I don't think the singer's voice is annoying at all. I think it fits quite well with the music they are making and adds another dimension that distinguishes the band from other artists.

    Nyabinghi Dance Hall is probably my choice for favorite song of the bunch. It's just plain badass. I found myself basically headbobbin' in my car when this song came on. The bridge section in the middle allows for some improv- I'm curious if they stretch it out a bit at their shows or not. Bottom line is I love this song.

    Other songs I dig- Got My Kicks, Track 3, Change of Atmosphere, Betty Rides Shotgun, The Bells, The 40 Ounce Confession, Evil, and Eighteen. I'll be damned if that little four-note organ ditty on Eighteen isn't catchy as hell. In fact, there were a few of these songs I found myself humming or thinking about when I wasn't listening to the album. That, my friends, is a true sign I like what I've heard.

    I agree with the review from leftofthedial that cites their influences- you can definitely hear some of them in these songs. Most notable to me was the Pixies influence on Betty Rides Shotgun- you can hear Nimrod's Son/Where Is My Mind? in that one.

    There are a couple songs that seem to be more filler than anything, but nothing that I would say is terrible or bad. And, really, that's about the worst I can say about these two albums. There are songs on here I'm going to be putting on mix discs for other people. I'll be listening to this a lot, I think. Definitely my favorite SMC selection since I joined. Mad props.

    Speaking of SMC selections, apparently I'm up next. I haven't decided what I want to upload yet, and seeing as there aren't many comments on this one, and some people haven't even listened to it yet, I might wait a few more days before doing that.
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    AndySlash wrote:
    And I don't think the singer's voice is annoying at all. I think it fits quite well with the music they are making and adds another dimension that distinguishes the band from other artists.

    oh, i find his voice far from annoying. i love it. other people that have heard the records or heard them live don't usually agree though. it was just warning. i know that not everyone is like me. shit, i think one of the best records ever is meat puppets II - that is great stuff...but everyone that i know is apt to HATE his voice.

    glad you like it.
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    barcoachbarcoach Posts: 413
    I just found the time to listen the 2nd. album and I've been gladly amazed. This certainly is a change from their previous album, but also an improvement to a more personal sound, which by the way suits the singer's voice perfect. I think the first album, though having some good songs and being well performed, you could still feel the band was in search of their own voices, you could track a bunch of influences there without them completely taking them and making their own thing.
    This 2nd. album is tighter, better produced as well, with good balance in all the elements -there was too many fuzzed and/or distorted guitars a la 90's indie in the first one-, here you have your upbeat tunes, your soothing tunes and everything in between. The first track builds a beautiful crescendo, love the insanity in track 9, and for the whole way in which they develop, track 3 or 4 could be my favorites. I don't know, but I especially liked the drummer here, I mean, he's not like the greates drummer you've ever heard, but to me the groove he puts in his rythms is essential for the other things happening around it.
    Yeah, this is good, I mean I think there are some weak moments on both albums, but nothing that would make me skip a song. It'd be interesting to see how these guys can make it in the future.
    And I just can't help closing my comment saying what my favorite line from the band was: "smoking marihuana 'till it's coming out your ears". Yeah, that's a beautiful image...

    Now, I have something to tell you about the poster raffle, go to next post:
    Stone: Thanks for the pick and the night of complicity, you rock!
    -The crazy guy with the Ramones t-shirt.
    Mexico C. 12/10/05.

    "There is a rose that I want to live for
    although, God knows, I may not have met her"
    -J. Strummer

    "And you'll never know just how dark this screen could be"
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    barcoachbarcoach Posts: 413
    Well, it took some time but after being in touch with all the SMC members, there were 10 persons interested in taking part on this -only 1 person and well, obviously me, refused to do so.
    Now, it's great having 10 persons because that will make everything a lot easier. I plan to do this: next weekend I'll write down the names of each one of you and put them in a bowl, then in an other bowl, I'll put papers each with a number from 1 to 10, I'll be taking out a name and then a number to asign to that person, you'll have to trust me on this and on monday I'll be telling you in this thread, or the new one we could have, which number is everyone.
    Then we wait until next weekend, when Mexican lottery should give the winner of the week, and the last digit of the winning number will determine who is the winner here. For example, if the winning number in the lottery is 45067, then the winner in the SMC will be whover gets number 7. If the last digit is "0", the winner would be the number 10. Understood?
    When I do my post on Monday, I'll give you a link to the Mexican lottery site and the exact date we should pay attention to for the SMC raffle.
    Well, hope this was clear for everyone, if you have any doubt, please ask.
    Best luck to all.
    Cheers.
    Stone: Thanks for the pick and the night of complicity, you rock!
    -The crazy guy with the Ramones t-shirt.
    Mexico C. 12/10/05.

    "There is a rose that I want to live for
    although, God knows, I may not have met her"
    -J. Strummer

    "And you'll never know just how dark this screen could be"
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    barcoach wrote:
    And I just can't help closing my comment saying what my favorite line from the band was: "smoking marihuana 'till it's coming out your ears". Yeah, that's a beautiful image...

    my favorite lyric is "i only weigh 135 pounds...but skinny guys rock best"
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
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