Sharing Tickets with strangers - mutual assurance

meme

I figured this could be something many of us could benefit from.

I think it's great that we buy pairs from tenclub. Either you share it with someone you know, or you can share with a fellow fan who is not in 10c or was shut out of the sale.

I was pretty horrified reading a thread chastising intertemporal trades "my msg 1 for your msg 2" because there is no assurance the person giving msg 2 will keep up with their end of the deal. That sounds ridiculous to me.

However, I have been screwed with these kind of deals before. I ended up selling my Wembley extra to a scalper for half the price one hour before the door opened because the guy who had committed to taking the ticket, after letting his answering machine pickup for four times (I was paying 99cents a minute since I am from the States and this was England), finally said: "oh, sorry, the friend this ticket was for could not make it". By then, the other four people whose numbers I had were not reachable anymore.

Anyway, what to do to assure that these transactions are successful?

How to make sure the buyer will pay up and won't leave the seller high and dry?
How to make sure the seller will not promise the ticket to multiple people? That he or she will show up? That he or she won't scalp the ticket or give it to their best friend once they realized they won the lottery and will be sitting in first row?

jimed14

We'd need some sort of 10c Stubhub ... it's obvious the board is not "formal" enough to keep people binded to their word.

If I were of an entrepreneurial nature, I'd see what kind of market alll bands' fans clubs had for this, imagine you being a company that ran a stubhub like business for fan club only tickets? Might be a good gig.

If someone starts this up, I want a cut.

LOVEBOATCAPT0226

This is something that has been on my mind also. I would like to think for the most part people here are honest.

slightofjeff

jimed14 wrote:

We'd need some sort of 10c Stubhub ... it's obvious the board is not "formal" enough to keep people binded to their word.

If I were of an entrepreneurial nature, I'd see what kind of market alll bands' fans clubs had for this, imagine you being a company that ran a stubhub like business for fan club only tickets? Might be a good gig.

If someone starts this up, I want a cut.

What makes it difficult with PJ is that the person who ordered the tickets has to show up at the venue the day of the show to pick them up. There's no way to get them early.

So you're still relying on people to be where they say they're going to be at the agreed upon time.

LONGRD

LOVEBOATCAPT0226 wrote:

This is something that has been on my mind also. I would like to think for the most part people here are honest.

you would think so, especially PJ fans but I was screwed over someone from this board during the R.A. tour.

My suggestion is make a ca$h assurance agreement between the two parties.
Should definitely be a face-to-face transaction.

meme

LongRd. wrote:

you would think so, especially PJ fans but I was screwed over someone from this board during the R.A. tour.

My suggestion is make a ca$h assurance agreement between the two parties.
Should definitely be a face-to-face transaction.

How would it work though? The buyer is obviously in a disadvantaged bargain position... what if they send some good faith money and then maybe even pay the ticket in advance but then the deal falls through? It's not even just the monetary question, it's the fact that you still don't have a ticket. And possibly not a ticket at all, since you would have left the general sale go by.

jimed14

slightofjeff wrote:

What makes it difficult with PJ is that the person who ordered the tickets has to show up at the venue the day of the show to pick them up. There's no way to get them early.

So you're still relying on people to be where they say they're going to be at the agreed upon time.

that's my point, it would have to be sponsored by 10c which, would enable quick transfers like this.

But then, you get the issue of people with low numbers getting tickets for friends in other cities and tranferring tickets.

My guess, 10c gets their money and not allowing transfers eliminates a good amount of the funny stuff form their side of it. So, it's probably the best solution ... for them, and the majority of the fan club.

smithnic

These sort of deals are all about trust. Certainly you can get ripped off and certainly no one wants to, but that's sort of what you risk in doing this. I am currently hoping to work one out to get to both MSG shows.
The only thing I can think of is going though something like PayPal, but I'm not sure there's a way to guard against someone not coming through. Everyone uses that for sporting events and I've gotten both of the games I wanted for Yankee stadium (to see my beloved Detroit Tigers).

It's really a shame when trust is so difficult to believe in. I say that as someone who has those difficulties too...

redrock

meme wrote:

However, I have been screwed with these kind of deals before. I ended up selling my Wembley extra to a scalper for half the price one hour before the door opened because the guy who had committed to taking the ticket, after letting his answering machine pickup for four times (I was paying 99cents a minute since I am from the States and this was England), finally said: "oh, sorry, the friend this ticket was for could not make it". By then, the other four people whose numbers I had were not reachable anymore.

This is weird meme. I'm sure I met you at Wembley. I remember speaking to someone with this same story. So... either incredible coincidence or... I've met you! Wow... small world.

I say.. people have been screwed but a lot more have gained so much from these exchanges/deals. Not only in tickets but some in new, lasting friendships!

LONGRD

meme wrote:

How would it work though? The buyer is obviously in a disadvantaged bargain position... what if they send some good faith money and then maybe even pay the ticket in advance but then the deal falls through? It's not even just the monetary question, it's the fact that you still don't have a ticket. And possibly not a ticket at all, since you would have left the general sale go by.

Don't pay in advance, never do that! But you're right with the buyer being in a disadvantage position.

A show trading bargain would be a bit easier. Person with MSG1 tix sells his/her tix to person with MSG2(who wanted night 1 instead of night 2). Next day, MSG1 person(who wants to see night 2) uses the same $ to pay for MSG2 person's tix. MSG1 sees night 2, MSG2 sees night 1. BUT it all depends on both parties trust, i guess.

meme

redrock wrote:

This is weird meme. I'm sure I met you at Wembley. I remember speaking to someone with this same story. So... either incredible coincidence or... I've met you! Wow... small world.

I say.. people have been screwed but a lot more have gained so much from these exchanges/deals. Not only in tickets but some in new, lasting friendships!

Wow, really? Was this in line? I don't think it was you though. I am sure I would have been dazzled

Anyway, I know what you are saying. The thing is... we get into this transaction already for a somewhat irrational reason: 10c tickets instead of regular tickets, so the risk is really big. Can you imagine being shut out completely? Again, that's really my main concern. Muuuuch more than the money

smithnic

meme wrote:

Wow, really? Was this in line? I don't think it was you though. I am sure I would have been dazzled

Anyway, I know what you are saying. The thing is... we get into this transaction already for a somewhat irrational reason: 10c tickets instead of regular tickets, so the risk is really big. Can you imagine being shut out completely? Again, that's really my main concern. Muuuuch more than the money

The best thing would be to get their information before hand. Other than that it's all about trust and individuals coming though.
I've only been on the giving end and I've come through, so I'm hoping for some receiving for MSG shows. ')

smithnic

meme wrote:

Wow, really? Was this in line? I don't think it was you though. I am sure I would have been dazzled

Anyway, I know what you are saying. The thing is... we get into this transaction already for a somewhat irrational reason: 10c tickets instead of regular tickets, so the risk is really big. Can you imagine being shut out completely? Again, that's really my main concern. Muuuuch more than the money

The best thing would be to get their information before hand. Other than that it's all about trust and individuals coming though.
I've only been on the giving end and I've come through, so I'm hoping for some receiving for MSG shows.

cat72

I have split tix 4 times all on the last tour 2 times they were mine and 2 the others tix. I was fortunate every time. Too bad there are asses out there who would screw someone over. :(

meme

cat72 wrote:

I have split tix 4 times all on the last tour 2 times they were mine and 2 the others tix. I was fortunate every time. Too bad there are asses out there who would screw someone over. :(

Well, that's very good to hear. And I love your signature, so appropriate in a thread like this

Also, since the guy who screw me over was from London, this could be one more proof that Brits, beside stealing all "our" seat in New York are just plain evil.























Love ya redrock

redrock

meme wrote:

Love ya redrock

It's OK... I'm not a Brit!!!! (Though I do live in this part of the world!):D But then again... there's loads of Irish coming over... blame them

It wasn't in the line.. it was by the ticket booth (or somewhere around there).

meme

redrock wrote:

It's OK... I'm not a Brit!!!! (Though I do live in this part of the world!):D But then again... there's loads of Irish coming over... blame them

It wasn't in the line.. it was by the ticket booth (or somewhere around there).

Then you missed out! We'll have to remedy in June!

indifferentman

Trust is key. I've done an exchange in the past, and I bought 2 extras in 06. None were problems.

MrStyles420

buying before hand isn't totally risky. with paypal the buyer has insurance if the seller doesn't deliver and the seller gets paid right away and doesnt have to be worried about being screwed. it's win-win

Heineken Helen

meme wrote:

However, I have been screwed with these kind of deals before. I ended up selling my Wembley extra to a scalper for half the price one hour before the door opened because the guy who had committed to taking the ticket, after letting his answering machine pickup for four times (I was paying 99cents a minute since I am from the States and this was England), finally said: "oh, sorry, the friend this ticket was for could not make it". By then, the other four people whose numbers I had were not reachable anymore.

Anyway, what to do to assure that these transactions are successful?

How to make sure the buyer will pay up and won't leave the seller high and dry?
How to make sure the seller will not promise the ticket to multiple people? That he or she will show up? That he or she won't scalp the ticket or give it to their best friend once they realized they won the lottery and will be sitting in first row?

well, if you're selling, and you're worried about this kinda thing. Name a time, and tell them if you haven't heard from them an hour and a half before the doors open, you're selling it. But make this clear from when you two decide to meet.

If you're buying... there's absolutely no way of guaranteeing that the seller won't change their mind at the last minute :(

cookies

I never sold a ticket I can't get them, however I have gotten 2 so far from the pit. The first was in 2003 for Boston and the second one was the CT show this year. Both times everything went great. But this time around with the solo things are different. Last week I had 2 offers and now I have none. But the offer for the NYC1 show was making me wonder They PM me saying I can have it. Then PM me saying it was taken then after I post a thread about it they PM me again saying fine you can have it. Then the this shitty attitude
(You would need to bring state issued id since it would be necessary to meet at a bank to have a notarized receipt made. This would provide proof of the exchange and protect against unfounded charges of failure to complete a deal. There will be no mailing of a check, or dealing with Paypal. I won't be standing on line at the post office to send the ticket, and thus there will be no possibility of a claim that it was not received.)

I am like to hell with this. I don't beg for anything and I damn sure am not jumping through hoops. I love the hell out of ED his talent amazes me but come on. So this is my first time dealing with this. And in reading your post I can understand this PM a little better. You don't know who you are dealing with. Its hard. If I had gotten tickets I would have posted on the board as well offering the second one. I always go solo. Met at the venue and moved on. I guess times have changed

whichwaysign

I got fucked over by some dipshit from Worcester, MA for the Hartford show. I went to the meet-up at Sweet Jane's trolling for an extra, and some dude says he had one. He really wanted to find a girl to take, which I'm not, so I told him if he struck out, I'd take the extra off his hands. (this is the same guy that started some thread about asking about prospective girls out to a show, and got flamed so bad about it that the Pearl Jam dating service thread was born. I heard the whole story about how he swears off the message board, but yet he magically found out about the meet-up)
Getting to the point, Chris from Worcester navigates the sea of people at the Hartford 10c tix window and then magically disappears, leaving me holding the bag.

Thankfully, a kind soul from Chicago named Angelo, was selling a 10c tix (13th row) for face and I got in that way. I certainly didn't mind paying double face to see that show from that vantage point. Plus, he was the first person, I've met a PJ show that smuggled better pot in than I did.
I wouldn't have mentioned this, but since the thread was started..... thought I'd add to it.

And to Chris Scioscia (that's not how you spell it, but he had some lame joke about the Angels manager that it's how I remember it. It's how you pronounce it.) Karma is a bitch and it will get you.

Riverrunner

I went to the Tampa and WPB shows, but my husband couldn't go. A nice young man from Springfield, Illinois (AllEncompassingTrip) bought my extra ticket to WPB. We had a good time at the concert.

I promised the Tampa ticket to a friend of Jesika537. I was reluctant, but Jesika537 and her boyfriend (whose user name I can't remember right now) vouched for her. The girl never showed up. When I got home after my mini PJ vacation I found an email that she had sent the day before the show saying that her trip was cancelled and she didn't want the ticket. She never called or used the email address I had told her to use. I had given her all travel information so she could contact me if something happened. Instead she used the email address I told her not to use, and then would not answer the phone or return my calls when I tried calling her the day of the show. So I had a good experience and a bad experience.

faithful2you

I'm actually glad to see this thread. My wife and I have 2 extra tickets to a solo show that were going to be used for 2 of our kids. For several reasons it's not going to work out to take them and now we need to get these seats into the right hands. Waiting to hear back from friends, if they can go, but if not I am going to let them go to someone on here and I have been thinking about how to handle it.

I don't want to come off as a prick but I also don't want to drive 5 hours and be stuck with two extra tickets that could have been enjoyed by someone that wanted to be there.

Would it be unreasonable to ask for half the ticket price up front to assure they show up rather than backing out at the last minute because they have nothing invested?

meistereder

1. It's based on trust, and there is only so much you can do to build that up. Research, get contact info, etc.
2. I basically never do a deal that would break me if it went sour. I am usually the seller of an extra, so in that case, worst case is I have an extra ticket to sell to some lucky SOB at the will call line if the buyer flakes. Hasn't happened yet. When I was a buyer of a TM ticket off a guy on this site during the solo tour, I sent the money with paypal and he emailed the tickets to me. Could he have screwed me? Yeah, but I saw his posts, knew his name, and could have outed him here if I had to. It would have sucked though, but I was pretty confident that would never have happened.

Get_Right

I have had nothing but postive experiences buying and selling through this board. Some truly great people here. (****knocks on wood****)

And I always have a back up in case the first in line flakes out.

I try to avoid last minute deals or I will just eat the costs-I dont need a hassle before seeing a PJ show

SpinMeRoundRollMeOvr

I did it 6 times on this last tour and had no problems. I was the buyer every time. I'm a 10c member but my number is so bad that selling an extra of mine is tough to do. I would reccomend getting the person's contact info and keeping in touch before the show... I.e. A short email or pm every other week. It also helps with the formation of a friendship with the ticketmate.

Also, if you ever get screwed, you can likely find a ticket if you hang out by the 10c window long enough and ask around.

mnpjgrrl

SOLAT319 wrote:

I've gone to many shows by "sharing my pair" with a stranger over the years. In exchange, I was the stranger "sharing somebody else's pair" as well for many more. I just don't understand how people could bring themselves to screw a fellow jammer. Met many cool friends this way. I do have to admit though that I look at the number of posts when answering a "ticket wanted" or "ticket for sale" post. I also ask the person if they could point me out to someone I know on the pit who will vouch for them. Then again, I've done some shows with people who decided to get a username and password for the pit that day because they had extras that they wanted to get rid of.

I have been a long-time PJ fan and had an extra 10c for MSG 2, wanted MSG 1 and thought, "Hey... isn't there some kind of Pearl Jam message board or something? Maybe I can find someone there." I signed up, made my 1st post and was welcomed by someone warning everyone that I was just a big ol' scam and shouldn't deal with me. I was like, "WTF? Boy, do I feel welcome, here." After I thought about it, I saw the risk in someone trusting me, but just because someone is a new poster, doesn't mean they're a scam.

Oh, btw... there's a possibility I might have extra 10c tix for EV shows coming up... and I think I'll have 11 or so posts after this one... soooooooo... if I still do have the extras, whoever decides to trust this infrequent poster (but now a faithful lurker) will be very happy they did.

I do understand your points... just wanted to reiterate that some people do just sign up because they have extras they want to trade or sell. Give us a chance, plz...

peachykeen

i've been lucky, people who said they give me their ticket did. back in 2000 i missed the 10c sale and someone sent me their extra tickets via snail mail and i got an extra ticket from somebody for msg2 this year and boy was i glad they kept their promise!

mauichick

Get_Right wrote:

I have had nothing but positive experiences buying and selling through this board. Some truly great people here. (****knocks on wood****)

Ditto...I've also had great, positive experiences sharing the jam last tour and this tour (crossing fingers as well since I'm buying spare 10C tix off a kind 10clubber who I haven't met in person yet) and it definitely comes down to trust on both sides.
If someone seems cool then thats good enough for me..If someone's going to make you jump through hoops then its just not worth it
I kind of had this situation for the garden shows, got shutout w/ 10 C and went round and round with someone on their extra...but i think it was more a matter of them not really wanting to sell and giving their friend time to work it out to attend. Worked out fine though, my friend took care of me

POSITIVE ENERGY.....

Heineken Helen

I've taken spares from many people and I've given spares too. First couple of shows, I was kinda freaking out wondering if the person would show and blah blah blah... of course they did. I've learned not to panic... cos there are usually plenty of people around who are looking for spares if your recipient doesn't turn up. If it's me with the extra, I've a pretty big circle of PJ friends so usually there's one of them in need.

First ticket I bought from someone else was the Astoria. A guy here, he allowed me to log in and change the address the tickets would be mailed to. He also trusted me that I would mail THE CASH to him :eek: . I'd never even spoken to him before on here... but I guess that's one plus side of having so many posts So I got the two tickets and had to hand over the second one for him and get the cash. So yeh, he put a lot of faith in me... and it all worked out. If you HAVE a spare ticket, try and arrange to meet earlier in the day or even arrange to hang out for the day. Plenty of communication before the show is definitely a help.