Les Paul advice needed

House53

Pacomc79 wrote:

The nord electro is tight as balls. I'm not a great organ player, I just screw around really, but those sound really good. Screw the pinaner, go all organ!! Then just include Higher Ground and Gimme Some Lovin in the set

http://www.music123.com/Nord-Electro-2-61-Key-i121620.music

This might be the winner... I will have to see if there is one available locally to try out.

Pacomc79

Je_Suis_Alive wrote:

Get a fender rhodes!!!!!!

+1 they sound awesome with a bit of OD too.

Dirty_Frank

HEY! You cunts highjacked my thread!

jk.

JofZ

Dirty_Frank wrote:

HEY! You cunts highjacked my thread!

jk.

LOL
Jump on one of those standards Mark has, they will be gone in less then 48 hours.
Otherwise, contact Jason S at the Music123 custom shop and get a quote on a plaintop R8, you'll be happy.

brain of c

get a silvertone

Dirty_Frank

JofZ wrote:

LOL
Jump on one of those standards Mark has, they will be gone in less then 48 hours.
Otherwise, contact Jason S at the Music123 custom shop and get a quote on a plaintop R8, you'll be happy.

Although I know I can get them for cheaper that way, there is no way I'll buy a guitar of that value without even playing it. :(

And besides, the duty at the border would probably kill me.

enharmonic

Dirty Frank,

Is it my confusion, or are the only LP's that feature nitro the Historics? I thought that Gibson switched over to poly on the regular production line? I know for certain that the Epi isn't nitro. Nitro is very expensive because of the environmental controls placed on builders who spray it.

As far as buying a Les Paul goes, I won't even try to talk you out of it. Les Pauls (good ones) rock, and if that's your thing, then by all means, dive on in . I wouldn't rule out a Heritage though. They are technically real Gibsons, being as though they are built in the original Gibson facorty by original Gibson employees on the original machines used to make the Les Pauls up until the early 80s (when Gibson moved to TN)

You might also try to chase down a Gary Moore LP. It had a lemon-drop finish and no binding...kept the cost down and it rocked. I personally would not pay any more that $1600 for a used Les Paul made in the last 10 years regardless of its pedigree. People ge so carried away with LP prices, and there's always a market for them. Some people just have to have a Gibson

House53

sorry to hijack the thread... I would get a '54 Oxblood like this:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112984

very cool.

JofZ

Dirty_Frank wrote:

Although I know I can get them for cheaper that way, there is no way I'll buy a guitar of that value without even playing it. :(

And besides, the duty at the border would probably kill me.

You would be the first to not trust Mark
His tone reports are accurate and he is a player.
If you need to import it, why not pay the duties? You have an advantage with the exchange, so you should offset some of the fees. Otherwise, there are a couple really good Canadian LP dealers if you want me to put you in touch with them, the problem is they will have 1 or 2 axes to look at.

What are you looking for tone wise?

Pacomc79

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7366379520&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1#ebayphotohosting


speaking of Les Pauls, oh man I LOVE OXBLOOD!!!

House53

Pacomc79 wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7366379520&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1#ebayphotohosting


speaking of Les Pauls, oh man I LOVE OXBLOOD!!!

Hey man... watch it! That is the same LP I just posted.

Like we've noticed before... We both have good taste in guitars. lol

Pacomc79

House53 wrote:

Hey man... watch it! That is the same LP I just posted.

Like we've noticed before... We both have good taste in guitars. lol

ha, that's crazy, I didn't even notice. great minds.....

how could one part with that thing? It's 9lbs. Looks like heaven. Brazilian board. Most definately tone for days...

House53

alright... for my harp rig

I am thinking a Green Bullet into either a pro jr. or blues jr.

for the keys I am torn between the Clavia Nord or a less expensive yamaha...

Pacomc79

House53 wrote:

alright... for my harp rig

I am thinking a Green Bullet into either a pro jr. or blues jr.

for the keys I am torn between the Clavia Nord or a less expensive yamaha...

we should start a new thread for that.

enharmonic

It's just a little more than your current price range, but it's a lot of guitar for the money. Black Les Paul custom about half way down the page

http://www.12fret.com/used/index.html#SOLIDBODY

OR

Go crazy, and buy a guitar from half way around the world that will kick a lot of ass for the money...much ass...more ass than an expensive Les Paul, that's for sure.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Maton-MS2000-Mastersound-Electric-Guitar-Exc-Cond_W0QQitemZ7365297743QQcategoryZ2384QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

who's_pearljam?

Heritage is a good suggestion.

Something like this?:
http://cgi.ebay.com/HERITAGE-H-150-CLASSIC-GUITAR-Les-Paul-model_W0QQitemZ7365249077QQcategoryZ2384QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

A regular old Heritage is way better than a regular old Gibson. Gibson has to pull together their experts to make a Heritage quality guitar!

enharmonic

who's_pearljam? wrote:

Heritage is a good suggestion.

Something like this?:
http://cgi.ebay.com/HERITAGE-H-150-CLASSIC-GUITAR-Les-Paul-model_W0QQitemZ7365249077QQcategoryZ2384QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

A regular old Heritage is way better than a regular old Gibson. Gibson has to pull together their experts to make a Heritage quality guitar!

I wouldn't go that far, but the Heritage is easily as well made if not more so, and costs half as much.

Same with the American Hamer stuff...great guitars for the money

JofZ

who's_pearljam? wrote:

Heritage is a good suggestion.

Something like this?:
http://cgi.ebay.com/HERITAGE-H-150-CLASSIC-GUITAR-Les-Paul-model_W0QQitemZ7365249077QQcategoryZ2384QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

A regular old Heritage is way better than a regular old Gibson. Gibson has to pull together their experts to make a Heritage quality guitar!

That is just ridiculous!

There are only two people who make a Gibson better then Gibson, Max and Keebler. Do any of you have 30K for a historic? I didn't think so. Heriage guitars are nice, but there is a laundry list of inaccurate characteristics about the guitar compared to the real thing. Each one has an impact on tone.

If they were better in anyway, shape or form they would be selling for 5 or 6K just like the Gibson counterparts.

I always read about poor Gibson quality on message boards, and this just isn't the case 90% of the time. Just like every company that sells mass produced guitars, some are good and some aren't. Gibson made less then 1000 R9's this year, how many are "bad" guitars? Not too many from the sales figures I see, in fact they are just about all gone.

Take a look at 2003 BR R9 prices. These axes sold for 3-4K depending on the deal you got and they are now selling for almost 7K. Not too shabby for a modern axe. Will your heritage ever break the 1k mark?

In my opinion, people shit on Gibson because they charge so much from the get go. But, consumers don't realize MSRP doesn't mean that is the price you pay. My last axe had a list of $11,600, I paid less then 5400. It was apraised for 7500. I had 2 offers in that range yesterday.

Even old crappy 70's deluxes are up in the 2k range now.

If this were about Fender and thier custom shop it would be an whole different conversation, but Gibson knows exactly what they are doing.

enharmonic

JofZ wrote:

That is just ridiculous!

There are only two people who make a Gibson better then Gibson, Max and Keebler.

If you're talking exact copy of a Gibson, I would agree. There are however other builders making guitars that are Gibson-inspired which lay Gibsons to waste.

JofZ wrote:

Heriage guitars are nice, but there is a laundry list of inaccurate characteristics about the guitar compared to the real thing. Each one has an impact on tone.

The body is thinner, and the pickups aren't right. That's about it. The headstock angle is the correct 17 degrees, and you can get aftermarket pickups that smoke anything Gibson is using. that's why the cats over at the LP forum switch out their PUP's for Timbuckers or other varieties.

JofZ wrote:

If they were better in anyway, shape or form they would be selling for 5 or 6K just like the Gibson counterparts.

This observation is just foolish. At least 30% of that asking price is for the Gibson name. Anser this...why should you pay that much money for a guitar that is built to the correct Les Paul spec's? Why can't Gibson build Les Paul's with their fancy machines that hold the neck, headstock, and body dimensions of the originals? They can, but they can charge 5 or 6k and people are silly enough to spend that kind of money for the bragging rights. We could really split the atom and discuss the differences between old growth mahogany and the new stuff that they can't cure fast enough...but that's really splitting hairs.

JofZ wrote:

I always read about poor Gibson quality on message boards, and this just isn't the case 90% of the time....Gibson made less then 1000 R9's this year, how many are "bad" guitars? Not too many from the sales figures I see, in fact they are just about all gone.

You sound like you know what you're talking about, so I am going to assume that you have run the racks at a Gibson Historic dealer and compared a bunch of R8's and R9's right down the line. At 6k a pop, they better be damned perfect. 75% is the number that I find to be more realistic. If you can live with some orange peel, occasional sloppy fretwork or binding, and tops that are called 5A, but are actually 4A or 3A, I'll give you that 90%.

Sales does not = quality. People will buy it for the name on the headstock...mostly dr's and lawyers trying to relive their youth playing guitars that are better than the ones they played in the 70s. That's what really makes me sick...those 70's LP's ging for thousands of dollars. Quality and workmanship sucked big balls at Gibson in the 70s...and it shows on every guitar I have played from that era (admittedly only about a dozen and a half)

JofZ wrote:

Take a look at 2003 BR R9 prices. These axes sold for 3-4K depending on the deal you got and they are now selling for almost 7K. Not too shabby for a modern axe. Will your heritage ever break the 1k mark?

Again...misleading. What you pay for a guitar does not translate to a quality guitar. It translates to a lot of people who are willing to spend retarded amounts of money on an instrument which may or may not be good, but just so happens to have a Gibson headstock and a be a Les Paul. IMO, no Gibson made in the last 10 years is worth more than 3-4k new, and 2-3k used. The appreciation is not too shabby for an investment, but for an instrument that isn't even dry yet, it's retarded. Sure, the specs are right, but what are you really paying for?

People shit on Gibson because Gibson deserves to be shit on. They tried to stick it to a bunch of other builders because those builders are doing it better than Gibson can (quality wise), and cutting into their bottom line. They force their dealers to adhere to strick advertising rules, and make them pay lots of money to sell guitars that are built correctly. Their customer service is historically (pun intended) horrible as well. For 6k, if I have a question or problem with my instrument, you better be ready to do a few backflips for me. I spend half of that on hand-made instruments and get service that puts Gibson to complete shame.

They have the right to charge what the market will allow for their instruments. Heck, if they can get 10k for a new LP, more power to them. that doesn't mean a damned thing when it comes to quality, or bang for the buck...especially with guys like PRS, McInturff, Grosh, Gustavsson, Heatley, and McNaught out there building guitars that are right in line with the best that Gibson could ever hope to offer, and in many instances, running circles around them.

I love a good LP just as much as the next guy, but it is what it is. Gibson's business practices blow, and their product doesn't live up to the prices people pay. remember, most people aren't playing Historic's...they're playing off the rack Standards, which have even worse numbers on the quality meter. If I run the racks of 10 LP standards, 4 of them might cut the mustard on any given day. Gibson is counting on buyers who don't know what the fuck they're doing, or what to look for when they shell out 2300 for a Standard.

enharmonic

Now that I'm done with my pointless critique of Gibson Les Paul's, I'd like to point out an instrument that Gibson makes which I love...one that can kick supreme amounts of ass in many genre's.

The beloved 335

For the money, you're not going to get a better instrument than this...and the VooDoo pickups are glorious.

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113027

Not mine, but had this been for sale last week, I would have jumped on it in a minute.