I stand corrected....the boys sound pretty crappy this tour
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I've just listened to Montana and Winnipeg so far. None of this will matter when I see them live, but all three guitar players sound pretty bad tone wise.
Stone sounds like he is using some type of solid state amp. I think he is using a pedal for distortion. He sounds very similar to 2000. Why would a guy who owns or has access to a Trentino, Matchless DC30, Savage Blitz or Glas 30, vintage Marshalls/Fenders/Voxes use a Peavey? It makes no sense. I could understand if it sounded good.
Mike sounds very thin. I think he peaked in 98 and 00. Very thick vintage marshall sound on his solos with the LP. Now it's just thin and whimpy.
Ed's tweed deluxes sound ok on some songs, but I much prefer the schecter/P90 sg through the Hiwatt.
That's all.
Stone sounds like he is using some type of solid state amp. I think he is using a pedal for distortion. He sounds very similar to 2000. Why would a guy who owns or has access to a Trentino, Matchless DC30, Savage Blitz or Glas 30, vintage Marshalls/Fenders/Voxes use a Peavey? It makes no sense. I could understand if it sounded good.
Mike sounds very thin. I think he peaked in 98 and 00. Very thick vintage marshall sound on his solos with the LP. Now it's just thin and whimpy.
Ed's tweed deluxes sound ok on some songs, but I much prefer the schecter/P90 sg through the Hiwatt.
That's all.
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Mike was thin last tour too. Stone should either go back to the Blitz 50 or even a JCM 800.
where did you get the Montana show?
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stones tone...eh hes using the same 2 peavy amps he used during the 2000 tour....hes using a 50s style tele now for even flow which is wierd and using a les paul on save you, i dont get it....
eds tone is horrible, i have to say, i cannot stand it...but his voice rules!!
but again i think mike sounds great!!
no not at all, ed is great when he plays guitar, a lot of energy....not for you, lukin, grievance, in my tree, etc etc wouldnt sound right without him
Stone sounds a ton better than he did in 2003 and 2004...finally has a thick sound that rocks. I agree that he has sounded better in the past, but he's definitely taken a HUGE step forward!
Mike's tone is great...although it was thinner than in the past (BD-2s have this effect when using a strat). I noticed this quite a bit in Winnipeg, yet in Thunder Bay his tone was to die for. Honestly, best i've heard his tone...ever. It was gorgeous, rockin when needed and bluesy when it was time to make us all cry....superb.
Ed.......YES! not sure what you're talkin about HHV?!?!....i think Ed sounds great. The tweeds sound great...thick and dirty when needed (not for you, grievance, corduroy)...and clean and sparkling on songs like MFC; nice change-up Ed!
I've seen the guys play on each of the last 3 tours and they are HANDS DOWN not only sounding the best but also playing the best. Matt is a freaking animal on the skins!!!...such a solid drummer and he's playing with more passion and creativity than ever. And don't get me started on Ed's voice...somehow over time his voice has gotten better (what brand of smokes does that for ya?
let's just remember not to go by what you hear on bootlegs. HailHail said that he didn't notice their tone being bad live, yet does on the boots. This probably has something to do with the fact that while seeing them in person...their tone is STUNNING...and people hearing mp3s that are recorded and mixed differently than past bootlegs don't get the full effect.
Go see them live and see if you have much to complain about!
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well i have to say
yes mikes tone is brilliant, the best ive heard of his
stone's is better than the 2003/2004 tour
ed....oh ed....its not that i didnt notice it at the show, its just that i didnt care and didnt pay attention ( i did notice mikes though!)....and i really liked it at the gorge for the acoustic set, but for some songs his tone sounds great for, and others its horrible....listen to Lukin from Vancouver, ahhh.....i did love his tone in 2004, but 2003 was great too....2 totally different sounds....SG to hiwatt, Tele to hiwatt....
and yes the mixing does have something to do with it.....live they sound like they have more "BALLS"...haha
im thinking about getting a BD-2 just cuz mike is my idol and i love that tone, haha, hes also back on the Plexi
whats the mod?
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a brilliant pedal. i should not have sold mine.
I would be unhappy too, but I upgraded to BJF.
It's an awesome, very versatile pedal, It sounded excellent through my amp and vintage 30, It should sound fantastic in a Traynor and V30. Go used, save a few bucks.
Ed pulled out a couple of tele's in winnipeg I havn't seen before. One All black and the other blonde, black pick guard.
My favorite Mike tone is from 2000 during the Italy show when they played Garden. Best LP tone from him in a while.
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Pity about those girls who opened for them.. they're sound is simply shocking..
HAHA! It's true, people were looking around at each other just like WTF?
I think Eddie's best tone was from 2000, with the Hiwatt dr504, Johnny Ramone's 100 watt greenback Marshall cab, and the Schecter PT's. It was so raunchy, and distinctive from Mike and Stone. Next best was probably his sound from the VFC tour. I absolutely hated the early 2003 stuff and the showbox where Eddie was just running his amp clean. Barf.
Mike has always managed to sound good for some reason, no matter what he's using. He has a bunch of different flavours going on though. I really liked his tone from 98 and 2000, 2000 in particular was really creamy.
Jeff sounded pretty much the same in 98 and 2000, and judging from the vfc bootlegs, and the GTF thing on mtv, he sounds pretty much the same now as 2003, only a little darker now that he's using the Ampeg 610's instead of the SWR's.
The BD-2 should fatten Mikey up a bit which is really what he needed in the current setup. I like the old marshalls with the matchless tone best. I'd love to see Mike, go with a germanium fuzz pedal live sometimes SRV style Diaz Square Face or something similar (ANALOGMAN SUN LION HINT HINT MIKE)
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if you would like send me a PM and ill talk to you on AIM or MSN messenger and ill send you Lukin/Grievance from Vancouver....ed's tone is god awful this tour
like i said my favorite tone of Ed was 2003....2004 too....2000 was good as well but to me ed, mike, and stone all had fat tones so it sounded a bit odd i guess you would say
the open back deluxes being tweeds are much looser than the big 4x12 and they break up much sooner, so it could be that Ed is just a bit muddier this tour and maybe it dosen't fit the mix as well as in the past. I will have to PM you and hear that stuff. Thanks.
no, sadly it's thin and plinky. it's just not there. there's no mud. there's no bass at all.
i'll add that this didn't detract from the show. and in fact, leaves more room for stone and mike's guitars.
How does that happen? Me thinks these guys are not recording or writing or spending much time toegther. Back in 2000 (as in 1994 Vitalogy) the guitar sound was cohesive and tight. Kind of sad if that's not the case all the way around. I guess I mostly listen to Mike and Stone anyhow.
At the end of the day Pearl Jam is Pearl Jam. I wouldn't expect it to detract.
thats exactly it...go back to the hiwatt!!!