Guitar Tabs illegal?

VINNY GOOMBAVINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,818
edited August 2006 in Musicians and Gearheads
Taken from guitartabs.cc


July 17, 2006

To all "Guitar Tab Universe" visitors:

The company which owns this website has been indirectly threatened (via our ISP) with legal action by the National Music Publishers' Association (NMPA) as well as the Music Publishers' Association (MPA) on the basis that sharing tablature constitutes copyright infringement. At what point does describing how one plays a song on guitar become an issue of copyright infringment? This website, among other things, helps users teach eachother how they play guitar parts for many different songs. This is the way music teachers have behaved since the first music was ever created. The difference here is that the information is shared by way of a new technology: the Internet.

When you are jamming with a friend and you show him/her the chords for a song you heard on the radio, is that copyright infringement? What about if you helped him/her remember the chord progression or riff by writing it down on, say, a napkin... infringement? If he/she calls you later that night on the phone or e-mails you and you respond via one of those methods, are you infringing? I don't know... but I would really like to know. If anyone has information on this, please email support@guitartabs.cc.

Apparently, the NMPA/MPA believes that the Internet may be on the foul side of the legality line they would like to draw here. For me, I see no difference. It's teachers educating students and covered as a 'fair use' of the tablature. The teachers here don't even get paid nor do the students have to pay this website to access the lessons.

An attack on this website is really an attack on every one of you who have told someone (in person, or via the written word, telephone, or e-mail) how you play a song on guitar. And who, especially among small websites, has the deep pockets to fight the NMPA/MPA? They use scare tactics while there is, in fact, no legal precedent on this matter (to the best of our knowledge). If you are interested in expressing your opinion to the NMPA/MPA, contact them via their respective websites. Please do not resort to vulgar language or insults.

Millions of people use the Internet to learn guitar, in one form or another. It appears the NMPA/MPA and their members do not want to support us and help us further our education. To you visitors from outside the USA or UK, can you find your favorite artists' "official sheet music" at your local music store? Even in the United States and United Kingdom, we often can not. The NMPA/MPA have a choice to make: either they support us as aspiring guitarists, or they choose to alienate their customer base. To date, not one sheet music publisher has contacted this website to either inquire as to our activities or to express interest in any type of dialogue or collaboration whatsoever. All we deserve is a cold, indirect, impersonal threat without any explanation? They should embrace new technologies or else become relics of the old economy.

Since I'm now 'worried' about working around tabs at all, I'm in a tough situation! Luckily, I'm fairly confident that if I alone listen to a song and then figure out how to play it by ear, I will then be able to enjoy using that knowledge to practice and improve my guitar playing skills. Is that what is necessary for everyone to do? Work these things out alone? What a sad situation.

Sincerely,
Rob Balch

Manager of "Guitar Tab Universe"


Don't know if this has been posted before, but this is pretty fucked up. Olga has a similar message up. No more tablature? I'm pissed off. Thoughts?
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Comments

  • goldenegggoldenegg Posts: 371
    That's absolutely ridiculous. I could understand if people were simply copying from published material, but they're not. There's no way this would ever hold up in court.
  • moemoe6434moemoe6434 Posts: 467
    this is nothing new..... many sites have already been shut down.
    "If she don't love me no more, i know her sister will" Jimi Hendrix
  • moemoe6434moemoe6434 Posts: 467
    goldenegg wrote:
    That's absolutely ridiculous. I could understand if people were simply copying from published material, but they're not. There's no way this would ever hold up in court.

    the published material has been authorized by the authors... guitar tabs on the net have not that is the difference.

    it is all a money game.
    "If she don't love me no more, i know her sister will" Jimi Hendrix
  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    If this is illegal then anyone who posts song lyrics on this board is guilty as well.
  • the unseenthe unseen Posts: 372
    i'm thinking before they played U for the first time at the 2000 st louis show,ed said they had to find some tab to remember how to play it.....


    has lars been linked to this crackdown on tabs?
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    the unseen wrote:
    i'm thinking before they played U for the first time at the 2000 st louis show,ed said they had to find some tab to remember how to play it.....


    has lars been linked to this crackdown on tabs?



    thats a myth about U surely....

    its the 3rd easiest PJ song to learn and play... only Encore 1 & 2 are easier :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • the unseenthe unseen Posts: 372
    i have the boot,he did say something to that effect,but i think he was being silly.


    as was i when i posted about it here.
  • DeLukinDeLukin Posts: 2,757
    I'm copyrighting C major this afternoon. If anyone plays it, I swear I'll sue.
    I smile, but who am I kidding...
  • PissBottleManPissBottleMan Posts: 4,154
    I came across a similar message on another site last night. I don't print many songs out, but I may start saving them to my hard drive just in case.

    PBM
    "We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"

    Wishlist Foundation: http://wishlistfoundation.org
  • senninsennin Posts: 2,146
    Do you think I have to patten all chord changes individually, or can I do them all in one?

    btw....I'll be starting a blackmarket tab ring.....if anyone wants to join. ;)

    A hand printed tab for Corduroy = $150.
  • the unseenthe unseen Posts: 372
    DeLukin wrote:
    I'm copyrighting C major this afternoon. If anyone plays it, I swear I'll sue.

    right on.

    i think i will copyright 4/4 time.



    watch the lawyers swarm to this thread........
  • Ok, yeah I'm a lawyer (among other things which I usually like better), so here I come flocking. That's pathetic ... the music publishers just are worried that they'll sell a few less copies of sheet music, which is ridiculous. IMO what would be copyright infringement is if a website were republishing the sheet music verbatim. I've bought plenty of sheet music over the years but I no longer do - most of it is hardly worth the paper its printed on. It's either "dumbed down" or full of inaccuracies usually - I think the best way to learn to play a song is just listen to it, put on your headphones and play. Maybe consumers should countersue the sheet music publishers for putting out a bunch of inaccurate crap - lol. That would be hilarious...

    Yeah, it can be scary to be threatened by a lawyer, or get a cease and desist letter, but a lot of the time the folks making these threats are just being big bullies and don't have a legal leg to stand on other than hoping they can just get their way through bullying.

    Dan
    "Butter hands" flew from her side? I wish I had butter hands. Mmmm, butter.
  • i remember a hoax a while back that Metallica claimed the rights to F major...people actually thought it was serious news...only because it's metallica would a headline like that be taken seriously :)
  • prytocorduroyprytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    Don't those sites have a disclaimer anyway saying that it's the author's interpretation? Retards. I'd countersue.
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