Help with Signatures

ekwipt

They have a signed Van Orton up for auction as well and the last name looks quite different on that one. 

on2legs

ekwipt said:

What do you all think of this one the Cubs are auctioning off? Looks a little sus to me but I’m no expert. 
https://cubs.auctions.mlb.com/limited-edition-pearl-jam-silk-screened-vancouver-bc/isynmv1/aucd/5717188

I actually think it looks pretty good.  But I wouldn’t spend big money on anything that wasn’t authenticated by one of the major companies and doesn’t have a return policy if it turns out to be a fake.  Charity auctions are one of the biggest outlets for fraudulent merch. 

ekwipt

Yes those were red flags to me as well. Ed’s Cubs connection is the only reason I gave this one a moment’s consideration. No info about where they got it though. 

EH14457

I wouldn’t read anything into those highlighted terms. MLB authentication is when players (or other MLB-affiliated personalities) are witnessed signing something. So I don’t think a Pearl Jam poster technically even *could* be MLB authenticated. And online auctions hardly ever allow returns/exchanges, especially for one-of-a-kind items. 

The Vancouver sigs all look good to me (for whatever that’s worth), and placement is pretty nice. It’s a sweet looking poster. 

Re: the guitar in the original post, I agree with others that the sigs are sus. I don’t think they’re real but like others have mentioned can’t prove definitively that they’re not. 

darwinstheory

@glowgirl Did your friend opt to try the quick PSA authentication? I think it was really cheap to do. I was thinking of doing the same for my signed guitar. 

GlowGirl

darwinstheory said:

@glowgirl Did your friend opt to try the quick PSA authentication? I think it was really cheap to do. I was thinking of doing the same for my signed guitar. 

I told her about it. She is out of town right now but maybe when she gets back. 

on2legs

EH14457 said:

I wouldn’t read anything into those highlighted terms. MLB authentication is when players (or other MLB-affiliated personalities) are witnessed signing something. So I don’t think a Pearl Jam poster technically even *could* be MLB authenticated. And online auctions hardly ever allow returns/exchanges, especially for one-of-a-kind items. 

The Vancouver sigs all look good to me (for whatever that’s worth), and placement is pretty nice. It’s a sweet looking poster. 

Re: the guitar in the original post, I agree with others that the sigs are sus. I don’t think they’re real but like others have mentioned can’t prove definitively that they’re not. 

I highlighted those sections because the auction is pretty clearly telling buyers they have not authenticated the poster and they won’t accept a return even if it’s fake. Buyer beware.  Charity auctions are notorious for being duped by fake items.  Even though those signatures look good, I’d only deal with a seller who was willing to guarantee authenticity or obtain it from a reputable source like the Ten Club/Vitalogy. Most high end auctions - Heritage, Goldin, etc - will not sell an item without provenance or authentication.  And they have a process for refunds if you demonstrate an item is a forgery.  But the refund process is less important with them because they don’t take items of questionable authenticity in the first place.  

ekwipt

on2legs said:

EH14457 said:

I wouldn’t read anything into those highlighted terms. MLB authentication is when players (or other MLB-affiliated personalities) are witnessed signing something. So I don’t think a Pearl Jam poster technically even *could* be MLB authenticated. And online auctions hardly ever allow returns/exchanges, especially for one-of-a-kind items. 

The Vancouver sigs all look good to me (for whatever that’s worth), and placement is pretty nice. It’s a sweet looking poster. 

Re: the guitar in the original post, I agree with others that the sigs are sus. I don’t think they’re real but like others have mentioned can’t prove definitively that they’re not. 

I highlighted those sections because the auction is pretty clearly telling buyers they have not authenticated the poster and they won’t accept a return even if it’s fake. Buyer beware.  Charity auctions are notorious for being duped by fake items.  Even though those signatures look good, I’d only deal with a seller who was willing to guarantee authenticity or obtain it from a reputable source like the Ten Club/Vitalogy. Most high end auctions - Heritage, Goldin, etc - will not sell an item without provenance or authentication.  And they have a process for refunds if you demonstrate an item is a forgery.  But the refund process is less important with them because they don’t take items of questionable authenticity in the first place.  

I also found it interesting that no source for the 2 signed posters is mentioned but they make a point of pointing out PJ is the source for the signed guitar they have. 

on2legs

ekwipt said:

on2legs said:

EH14457 said:

I wouldn’t read anything into those highlighted terms. MLB authentication is when players (or other MLB-affiliated personalities) are witnessed signing something. So I don’t think a Pearl Jam poster technically even *could* be MLB authenticated. And online auctions hardly ever allow returns/exchanges, especially for one-of-a-kind items. 

The Vancouver sigs all look good to me (for whatever that’s worth), and placement is pretty nice. It’s a sweet looking poster. 

Re: the guitar in the original post, I agree with others that the sigs are sus. I don’t think they’re real but like others have mentioned can’t prove definitively that they’re not. 

I highlighted those sections because the auction is pretty clearly telling buyers they have not authenticated the poster and they won’t accept a return even if it’s fake. Buyer beware.  Charity auctions are notorious for being duped by fake items.  Even though those signatures look good, I’d only deal with a seller who was willing to guarantee authenticity or obtain it from a reputable source like the Ten Club/Vitalogy. Most high end auctions - Heritage, Goldin, etc - will not sell an item without provenance or authentication.  And they have a process for refunds if you demonstrate an item is a forgery.  But the refund process is less important with them because they don’t take items of questionable authenticity in the first place.  

I also found it interesting that no source for the 2 signed posters is mentioned but they make a point of pointing out PJ is the source for the signed guitar they have. 

To be clear… given Ed’s relationship with the cubs and my nonprofessional opinion that the signatures look really good, I do think this poster is legit.  

My point is just that you’re playing with fire buying any autographs online that haven’t been authenticated or that don’t allow for a refund if subsequent authentication determines it’s a fake.  Buyer beware. 

iOnlyownMymind

I thought I heard that the authentication process is pretty much bogus as well?   Not sure I'd trust anything that didn't have photos involved or a direct known connection to 10c/the band. 

on2legs

iOnlyownMymind said:

I thought I heard that the authentication process is pretty much bogus as well?   Not sure I'd trust anything that didn't have photos involved or a direct known connection to 10c/the band. 

PSA/DNA, JSA and Beckett are some of the best.  Stick with them. 

mcgruff10

Jeff s signature 1999.