2025 Tour Merch Thread

M0nst3rMJ

on2legs said:

ZoSoTim said:

Ah, didn’t know that changed. 

You can search completed listings on this website and it will give you the true price for those “best offer accepted” sales on eBay.  

https://130point.com/sales/

Quite a few of these have sold for $750+ on Ebay. Most are in the $800+ range so far. That $650 was the only auction style offering that I have seen as well. Most have sold through the BIN options. 

Brothe2000

Bought a cheap 10x30 picture frame off Amazon to put this print in.  Would have loved the skateboard but this feels almost more exclusive.  My lighting makes it look more yellow than it is... It would be awesome if all the skateboard artists offered a print option!

M0nst3rMJ

Brothe2000 said:

Bought a cheap 10x30 picture frame off Amazon to put this print in.  Would have loved the skateboard but this feels almost more exclusive.  My lighting makes it look more yellow than it is... It would be awesome if all the skateboard artists offered a print option!

Very nice! Agreed with the print option idea  I'd love to have a Baltimore print amongst a few others. 

KJ228171

DKedzie said:

artforbw said:

ZoSoTim said:

PSUS2H said:

ZoSoTim said:

PSUS2H said:

ZoSoTim said:

If anyone cares, Brad sent an email asking for the extra $50, which I happily sent. 

Have you received shipping notice from BK yet? I'm still waiting. 

No, I didn’t get an acknowledgment of the additional payment either. 

Same!  

Holy fuck. One of these sold for $1500 on eBay. So glad I got one from BK or I’d never be able to afford to get it on the secondary market. 

On facebook, go to the "PJBay" or "Poster Parade Breakfast" groups and you'll see who's flipping the Klausen Pittsburgh APs and selling them for around $800+. Some members who have multiple copies of the AP somehow.

Well, they are private groups on FB, so if you're in the group, you're part of the flipping community of PJ fans, so probably don't care.

These groups will be invisible to the artists.

They may be private but not necessarily exclusive. They have to maintain a pool
of willing buyers and the bigger the pool the better for sellers. The bar to get in to some isn’t high.

DKedzie

KJ228171 said:

DKedzie said:

artforbw said:

ZoSoTim said:

PSUS2H said:

ZoSoTim said:

PSUS2H said:

ZoSoTim said:

If anyone cares, Brad sent an email asking for the extra $50, which I happily sent. 

Have you received shipping notice from BK yet? I'm still waiting. 

No, I didn’t get an acknowledgment of the additional payment either. 

Same!  

Holy fuck. One of these sold for $1500 on eBay. So glad I got one from BK or I’d never be able to afford to get it on the secondary market. 

On facebook, go to the "PJBay" or "Poster Parade Breakfast" groups and you'll see who's flipping the Klausen Pittsburgh APs and selling them for around $800+. Some members who have multiple copies of the AP somehow.

Well, they are private groups on FB, so if you're in the group, you're part of the flipping community of PJ fans, so probably don't care.

These groups will be invisible to the artists.

They may be private but not necessarily exclusive. They have to maintain a pool
of willing buyers and the bigger the pool the better for sellers. The bar to get in to some isn’t high.

I agree. Certainly not exclusive. PJBay has over 18k members. Poster Parade Breakfast has over 3k members. They aren't hard to join.

If the artists aren't in the private groups, though, they won't see their stuff being flipped. And if a fan is anti-flipping, they're probably not in those groups also, for the most part.

ZoSoTim

Do you consider selling any item above retail to be flipping? To me it’s buying with the intent to immediately resell. I have no issue with people selling older items for current value on the open market. I’m in the PJBay group but hate flipping. Then again, I’ve never once sold anything on there but I’ve bought a bunch of things that went for way less than I was able to find on eBay. 

pjl44

ZoSoTim said:

Do you consider selling any item above retail to be flipping? To me it’s buying with the intent to immediately resell. I have no issue with people selling older items for current value on the open market. I’m in the PJBay group but hate flipping. Then again, I’ve never once sold anything on there but I’ve bought a bunch of things that went for way less than I was able to find on eBay. 

I would only sell something below market value and/or at cost to someone I knew personally. If it's someone random from here, Facebook, resale sites, etc. what's stopping them from just reselling it at market rates themselves? I had that happen once and was like ok lesson learned.

To your point, though, the thing that chaps everyone's ass is if something is bought today and immediately or within a few days it's being resold at a healthy markup. That's flipping. 

pjl44

A related scenario is when I occasionally see a great deal posted on Lost Dogs and there's a quick "PM sent" reply from one of several notorious "collectors" and I'm like ugggggghhhh shoulda just taken that to the Bay buddy

D-Day

M0nst3rMJ said:

Brothe2000 said:

Bought a cheap 10x30 picture frame off Amazon to put this print in.  Would have loved the skateboard but this feels almost more exclusive.  My lighting makes it look more yellow than it is... It would be awesome if all the skateboard artists offered a print option!

Very nice! Agreed with the print option idea  I'd love to have a Baltimore print amongst a few others. 

Looks really like a merch evolution item.

Lead direct to a officially shrinked print / mini poster version of the normal-sized event poster. You would need only a rather small tube for 1 bought on location inside on show day.

DKedzie

ZoSoTim said:

Do you consider selling any item above retail to be flipping? To me it’s buying with the intent to immediately resell. I have no issue with people selling older items for current value on the open market. I’m in the PJBay group but hate flipping. Then again, I’ve never once sold anything on there but I’ve bought a bunch of things that went for way less than I was able to find on eBay. 

It's only considered flipping when selling immediately after buying/receiving the item, so buying with the intent to immediately resell, like you said.

We were talking about the Klausen 2025 Pittsburgh AP in this case, so definitely considered flipping on those, in those FB groups.

Artists have expressed the same feeling on flipping. Most have a 30 day rule, if they have a social media group that fans can post in.

To be honest, I don't get too worked up about it. It is what it is, and has been what it is for years.

But, it is pretty disrespectful to the artist, when they asked people not to flip their work, and they even try to weed out flippers and bots during drops, and try to get their work into the hands of fans who actually want to keep their work, and frame it up.

(Some like Zoltron, Daniel Danger, Luke Martin, etc, actually put a little extra effort into cancelling orders of suspected flippers.)

Some would argue, "Well, the artist got paid the same either way."

But when they see their poster get immediately flipped for triple (or even more), they're like, "Well, sh*t... I could have charged more and made that money."

Like Brad K said before, he tries to find that sweet spot when pricing. Not too low, leaving money on the table, but not too high, where you're left with a bunch of unsold posters.

Gigart just put his most recent Dead & Co sphere sparkle foils up on his site for $200, maybe thinking that's that going rate for them. He had an edition of 40, and when I looked at his site later in the day, he still had 25 of the 40 in stock. So that high price maybe backfired, in my opinion.

Loujoe

on2legs

If you buy one of an item, like a poster, you should be entitled to do whatever you want with it.  Frame it, sell it, or burn it… I don’t care.  That was your one crack at that item and you should get to do with it what you want.  Not really a fan of people buying multiples of an item to sell because it keeps others from getting one that they’d might like to hang on their wall. 

Loujoe

on2legs said:

If you buy one of an item, like a poster, you should be entitled to do whatever you want with it.  Frame it, sell it, or burn it… I don’t care.  That was your one crack at that item and you should get to do with it what you want.  Not really a fan of people buying multiples of an item to sell because it keeps others from getting one that they’d might like to hang on their wall. 

DKedzie

on2legs said:

If you buy one of an item, like a poster, you should be entitled to do whatever you want with it.  Frame it, sell it, or burn it… I don’t care.  That was your one crack at that item and you should get to do with it what you want.  Not really a fan of people buying multiples of an item to sell because it keeps others from getting one that they’d might like to hang on their wall. 

I also don't care too much. If I miss out on getting a print I was after, I'm fine living without it if it's too expensive on the aftermarket.

The seller on Poster Parade Breakfast sold two copies of the Klausen AP. One at $780, the other at $650 (which had a dinged corner).

So... by your words, you wouldn't be a fan of that.

Also, even if just flipping one AP of the poster, you may not care (which is fine), but the artist does.

Shaindli1

So far I only either gifted items (like mystery bag shirts that were too small) or sold for cost. 

demetrios

Brothe2000 said:

Bought a cheap 10x30 picture frame off Amazon to put this print in.  Would have loved the skateboard but this feels almost more exclusive.  My lighting makes it look more yellow than it is... It would be awesome if all the skateboard artists offered a print option!

Indeed.

jsilsby

Flipping/scalping is just capitalistic speculation. Thank Adam Smith. What becomes an issue is market manipulation, which i do think occurs here. Too many insiders in this ecosystem have their fingers on the scales. I wish we could prove it, but the system inoculates itself.

KJ228171

jsilsby said:

Flipping/scalping is just capitalistic speculation. Thank Adam Smith. What becomes an issue is market manipulation, which i do think occurs here. Too many insiders in this ecosystem have their fingers on the scales. I wish we could prove it, but the system inoculates itself.

Nah, in Smith’s world the supply won’t be artificially limited. The market would dictate the supply (for both AP and SE) driving down prices and letting everyone (eventually) have the opportunity to buy a poster. Classic economics for posters would increase the production because it’s not particularly difficult or resource dependent. Societal prosperity (for the PJ community at least). People get their posters and producers make more money. Here we have the middle men taking the largest profit. That’s not what Smith proposes.

Loujoe

CN85686

I got the N1 Pittsburgh poster!!!  Just went up on the site.