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I am following this as I am fairly interested in what kids get motivated from.
My GF is a teacher in a school that does not take their phones away so she has little to no classroom participation. They are always on their phones.
Screentime is a direct result of kids not caring about school as far as I can see. The instant gratification is like a drug...
Phones are the worst thing to impact schools in 1000 years. My school does allow it, not only allow it but we're supposed to take them away. But then you get that entitled parent complaining, it's their phone, they need to get a hold of their child any time they want, etc. And it falls on us to enforce it, which can be a real pain. I had 2 parents last semester complain that I have a seating chart and don't allow their kids to sit with their friends in class. The entitlement of parents is nuts these days. One of those parents complained to admin that I mark her child tardy every day out of spite because I don't like him, even though records showed I only marked him tardy twice all year. She was after me because I had taken his phone away about 3 or 4 times in class, complained to admin each time, then snowballed into those other things.
I am following this as I am fairly interested in what kids get motivated from.
My GF is a teacher in a school that does not take their phones away so she has little to no classroom participation. They are always on their phones.
Screentime is a direct result of kids not caring about school as far as I can see. The instant gratification is like a drug...
Phones are the worst thing to impact schools in 1000 years. My school does allow it, not only allow it but we're supposed to take them away. But then you get that entitled parent complaining, it's their phone, they need to get a hold of their child any time they want, etc. And it falls on us to enforce it, which can be a real pain. I had 2 parents last semester complain that I have a seating chart and don't allow their kids to sit with their friends in class. The entitlement of parents is nuts these days. One of those parents complained to admin that I mark her child tardy every day out of spite because I don't like him, even though records showed I only marked him tardy twice all year. She was after me because I had taken his phone away about 3 or 4 times in class, complained to admin each time, then snowballed into those other things.
people complain about "this generation of kids". I can tell you with 100% certainty, it's "this generation of parents". As one, I feel like I'm the only sane one out of the entire group of my kids' friends' parents. Do everything for them, they can do nothing wrong. It's insanity.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
Teenagers can be tough to motivate in general. My kids were both unmotivated as students during middle school and the first year of high school. They were just lazy about school and homework. I think it is important to be a proactive parent, checking assignments online, communicating with teachers, guidance counselors and discussing how to address any deficiencies and finding support for any student that is struggling. Schools want their students to succeed, (and pass the Regents in NY) but sometimes they get lost in the middle if unmotivated or there is a lack of engagement. High School can be tough for girls. Whenever my daughter fell off the rails, we would get her team together and say what can we do to improve this? We came up with solutions, like changing coursework, adding a study session, or a having more meetings with her guidance counselor. It was not easy and required a time commitment. The parent message is you have one job, get your school work done first and if we see you struggling we will work with the school to figure it out. We drove that home with positive reinforcement rather than negative reinforcement.
I also requested the special education department conduct tests to see if she qualified for additional support. She did not qualify, but it put her on the radar of the schools and they gave her more attention/support to help her succeed. The school psychologist even stepped got involved. In some cases, kids are diagnosed with learning disabilities at the high school level and can get support to help them get through school. We are in a competitive district with a very high college placement rate and at my daughter is now motivated by the competition with her friends to get the best grades and by the social pressure to get into the best possible college. At some point it just clicked for her, but I do think a big part of it was being involved as she progressed.
The phones are a problem. The amount of time they spend on their devices is ridiculous. But I would never tell a teacher to give it back if it was being used during class. We have more entitled parents calling out teachers for their children's grades.
I am following this as I am fairly interested in what kids get motivated from.
My GF is a teacher in a school that does not take their phones away so she has little to no classroom participation. They are always on their phones.
Screentime is a direct result of kids not caring about school as far as I can see. The instant gratification is like a drug...
Phones are the worst thing to impact schools in 1000 years. My school does allow it, not only allow it but we're supposed to take them away. But then you get that entitled parent complaining, it's their phone, they need to get a hold of their child any time they want, etc. And it falls on us to enforce it, which can be a real pain. I had 2 parents last semester complain that I have a seating chart and don't allow their kids to sit with their friends in class. The entitlement of parents is nuts these days. One of those parents complained to admin that I mark her child tardy every day out of spite because I don't like him, even though records showed I only marked him tardy twice all year. She was after me because I had taken his phone away about 3 or 4 times in class, complained to admin each time, then snowballed into those other things.
people complain about "this generation of kids". I can tell you with 100% certainty, it's "this generation of parents". As one, I feel like I'm the only sane one out of the entire group of my kids' friends' parents. Do everything for them, they can do nothing wrong. It's insanity.
As you said every situation and parenting style is different. We did not have the internet, social media or smart phones. Young adults have tuned social media platforms into careers, and kids are involved in this from a relatively young age. I am not sure it is so easily dismissed. This is not like taking away the Playstation. It is a very different generation than mine. When I was 18, the last place I wanted to be was home. Not these kids, they want to text their friends and share youtube, instagram, or tik tok videos for hours on end. But I do agree that parents coddle their children much more than my generation.
I was just talking to a coworker how kids don't look forward to getting their driver's license anymore. When I was in high school, your license was your freedom. Now it's your phone. Kids don't drive anymore. They don't get excited about it, they don't drive to a friend house. They play games online and text each other.
I am following this as I am fairly interested in what kids get motivated from.
My GF is a teacher in a school that does not take their phones away so she has little to no classroom participation. They are always on their phones.
Screentime is a direct result of kids not caring about school as far as I can see. The instant gratification is like a drug...
Phones are the worst thing to impact schools in 1000 years. My school does allow it, not only allow it but we're supposed to take them away. But then you get that entitled parent complaining, it's their phone, they need to get a hold of their child any time they want, etc. And it falls on us to enforce it, which can be a real pain. I had 2 parents last semester complain that I have a seating chart and don't allow their kids to sit with their friends in class. The entitlement of parents is nuts these days. One of those parents complained to admin that I mark her child tardy every day out of spite because I don't like him, even though records showed I only marked him tardy twice all year. She was after me because I had taken his phone away about 3 or 4 times in class, complained to admin each time, then snowballed into those other things.
people complain about "this generation of kids". I can tell you with 100% certainty, it's "this generation of parents". As one, I feel like I'm the only sane one out of the entire group of my kids' friends' parents. Do everything for them, they can do nothing wrong. It's insanity.
As you said every situation and parenting style is different. We did not have the internet, social media or smart phones. Young adults have tuned social media platforms into careers, and kids are involved in this from a relatively young age. I am not sure it is so easily dismissed. This is not like taking away the Playstation. It is a very different generation than mine. When I was 18, the last place I wanted to be was home. Not these kids, they want to text their friends and share youtube, instagram, or tik tok videos for hours on end. But I do agree that parents coddle their children much more than my generation.
I was referring specifically to education in this comment, as I was replying to tempo's comment above. I know teachers and the bullshit they have to endure as there is no consequence for assignments not complete, allowed to redo tests, teachers aren't allowed to tell parents their kids are failing/not performing/etc, then the parents lose their minds when the kid comes home with a shitty report card, blame the teacher, demand a change to the grades, and the admin takes the side of the parents, because, in the end, it's all about funding. If parents take their kids to different schools, the enrollment falls, so then does the funding. So the admin are just cucks to these idiot parents.
I agree 100% with the challenges of phones/technology at home.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
I was just talking to a coworker how kids don't look forward to getting their driver's license anymore. When I was in high school, your license was your freedom. Now it's your phone. Kids don't drive anymore. They don't get excited about it, they don't drive to a friend house. They play games online and text each other.
can confirm. my 18 yo and her entire group of friends-ZERO of them have their licenses. when they do actually go out, they uber.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
I am following this as I am fairly interested in what kids get motivated from.
My GF is a teacher in a school that does not take their phones away so she has little to no classroom participation. They are always on their phones.
Screentime is a direct result of kids not caring about school as far as I can see. The instant gratification is like a drug...
Phones are the worst thing to impact schools in 1000 years. My school does allow it, not only allow it but we're supposed to take them away. But then you get that entitled parent complaining, it's their phone, they need to get a hold of their child any time they want, etc. And it falls on us to enforce it, which can be a real pain. I had 2 parents last semester complain that I have a seating chart and don't allow their kids to sit with their friends in class. The entitlement of parents is nuts these days. One of those parents complained to admin that I mark her child tardy every day out of spite because I don't like him, even though records showed I only marked him tardy twice all year. She was after me because I had taken his phone away about 3 or 4 times in class, complained to admin each time, then snowballed into those other things.
people complain about "this generation of kids". I can tell you with 100% certainty, it's "this generation of parents". As one, I feel like I'm the only sane one out of the entire group of my kids' friends' parents. Do everything for them, they can do nothing wrong. It's insanity.
As you said every situation and parenting style is different. We did not have the internet, social media or smart phones. Young adults have tuned social media platforms into careers, and kids are involved in this from a relatively young age. I am not sure it is so easily dismissed. This is not like taking away the Playstation. It is a very different generation than mine. When I was 18, the last place I wanted to be was home. Not these kids, they want to text their friends and share youtube, instagram, or tik tok videos for hours on end. But I do agree that parents coddle their children much more than my generation.
I was referring specifically to education in this comment, as I was replying to tempo's comment above. I know teachers and the bullshit they have to endure as there is no consequence for assignments not complete, allowed to redo tests, teachers aren't allowed to tell parents their kids are failing/not performing/etc, then the parents lose their minds when the kid comes home with a shitty report card, blame the teacher, demand a change to the grades, and the admin takes the side of the parents, because, in the end, it's all about funding. If parents take their kids to different schools, the enrollment falls, so then does the funding. So the admin are just cucks to these idiot parents.
I agree 100% with the challenges of phones/technology at home.
Gotcha. I can see every assignment, every grade, attendance, and every teacher message to the kids through our school portal. I check it every day. I address it at home if she is missing assignments, being marked absent or getting poor test scores. If that fails I call the school. There are no surprises when I see the report card, although there does always seem to be one teacher that is tough on the kid's grades.
I do not see it as the teachers job to reach out unless the kid has a serious problem (drugs, mental health, etc). I guess I am lucky that our school has great teachers and resources that are responsive and they care about the student's success. But you are right that being invested in that success has to do with funding. The more kids that pass the Regents, the more funding they get.
Same here with the driving. 19 and 17 and no licenses. Oldest just started driving school.
I was just talking to a coworker how kids don't look forward to getting their driver's license anymore. When I was in high school, your license was your freedom. Now it's your phone. Kids don't drive anymore. They don't get excited about it, they don't drive to a friend house. They play games online and text each other.
can confirm. my 18 yo and her entire group of friends-ZERO of them have their licenses. when they do actually go out, they uber.
And they get all their stuff delivered from Amazon and all their food delivered from Door dash/Uber eats. A generation of slugs.
I don't have kids, but I was one once.... My advice would be to back off and leave her alone. Be supportive of who she is not what she isn't achieving as you're reinforcing failure by going on about what she's not doing. I had much worse grades. Its called being a teenager.
Ive achieved so much since then, I'm a totally different person. I put it all down to the fact that my parents were fully supportive of me no matter what I was or wasn't studying. They didnt put any pressure on me to be achiement oriented, in fact quite the opposite. They would often tell me to have a rest.
I achieved more than I ever imagined when I felt ready, thanks to their love and kindness. It wasn't conditional or based on good grades. I got to just be me and find my own way, learning the things I enjoyed. That's my advice. Leave her be, she'll find her way.
If you add to the pressure or take away the WiFi, that won't help. They're growing up in a different era. Things are so different for these kids. Ubers, mobiles, Amazon, etc. it's more instant.
I've failed loads, let them fail hard, that way you learn what you want or need to do to succeed. I've attended three good universities and none of it came from my parents putting any pressure on me to achieve good grades at school.
I am following this as I am fairly interested in what kids get motivated from.
My GF is a teacher in a school that does not take their phones away so she has little to no classroom participation. They are always on their phones.
Screentime is a direct result of kids not caring about school as far as I can see. The instant gratification is like a drug...
Phones are the worst thing to impact schools in 1000 years. My school does allow it, not only allow it but we're supposed to take them away. But then you get that entitled parent complaining, it's their phone, they need to get a hold of their child any time they want, etc. And it falls on us to enforce it, which can be a real pain. I had 2 parents last semester complain that I have a seating chart and don't allow their kids to sit with their friends in class. The entitlement of parents is nuts these days. One of those parents complained to admin that I mark her child tardy every day out of spite because I don't like him, even though records showed I only marked him tardy twice all year. She was after me because I had taken his phone away about 3 or 4 times in class, complained to admin each time, then snowballed into those other things.
people complain about "this generation of kids". I can tell you with 100% certainty, it's "this generation of parents". As one, I feel like I'm the only sane one out of the entire group of my kids' friends' parents. Do everything for them, they can do nothing wrong. It's insanity.
As you said every situation and parenting style is different. We did not have the internet, social media or smart phones. Young adults have tuned social media platforms into careers, and kids are involved in this from a relatively young age. I am not sure it is so easily dismissed. This is not like taking away the Playstation. It is a very different generation than mine. When I was 18, the last place I wanted to be was home. Not these kids, they want to text their friends and share youtube, instagram, or tik tok videos for hours on end. But I do agree that parents coddle their children much more than my generation.
I was referring specifically to education in this comment, as I was replying to tempo's comment above. I know teachers and the bullshit they have to endure as there is no consequence for assignments not complete, allowed to redo tests, teachers aren't allowed to tell parents their kids are failing/not performing/etc, then the parents lose their minds when the kid comes home with a shitty report card, blame the teacher, demand a change to the grades, and the admin takes the side of the parents, because, in the end, it's all about funding. If parents take their kids to different schools, the enrollment falls, so then does the funding. So the admin are just cucks to these idiot parents.
I agree 100% with the challenges of phones/technology at home.
Gotcha. I can see every assignment, every grade, attendance, and every teacher message to the kids through our school portal. I check it every day. I address it at home if she is missing assignments, being marked absent or getting poor test scores. If that fails I call the school. There are no surprises when I see the report card, although there does always seem to be one teacher that is tough on the kid's grades.
I do not see it as the teachers job to reach out unless the kid has a serious problem (drugs, mental health, etc). I guess I am lucky that our school has great teachers and resources that are responsive and they care about the student's success. But you are right that being invested in that success has to do with funding. The more kids that pass the Regents, the more funding they get.
Same here with the driving. 19 and 17 and no licenses. Oldest just started driving school.
Here is the thing. You are an anomaly in most schools. There is no checking up on your kid everyday w assignments with most kids. If you are affluent or well off, sure. Yes tax brackets make a difference.
You can have the greatest teachers in the world but when the parents and kids give zero F's you will get the same failing results. Throwing money at the problem won't fix it either.
Remove phones in school is one.
Two is let the kids fail. Stop passing them and letting them slide. It's a huge disservice to them and their future.
Try those two things first and It should start some sort of motivation.
I am following this as I am fairly interested in what kids get motivated from.
My GF is a teacher in a school that does not take their phones away so she has little to no classroom participation. They are always on their phones.
Screentime is a direct result of kids not caring about school as far as I can see. The instant gratification is like a drug...
Phones are the worst thing to impact schools in 1000 years. My school does allow it, not only allow it but we're supposed to take them away. But then you get that entitled parent complaining, it's their phone, they need to get a hold of their child any time they want, etc. And it falls on us to enforce it, which can be a real pain. I had 2 parents last semester complain that I have a seating chart and don't allow their kids to sit with their friends in class. The entitlement of parents is nuts these days. One of those parents complained to admin that I mark her child tardy every day out of spite because I don't like him, even though records showed I only marked him tardy twice all year. She was after me because I had taken his phone away about 3 or 4 times in class, complained to admin each time, then snowballed into those other things.
people complain about "this generation of kids". I can tell you with 100% certainty, it's "this generation of parents". As one, I feel like I'm the only sane one out of the entire group of my kids' friends' parents. Do everything for them, they can do nothing wrong. It's insanity.
As you said every situation and parenting style is different. We did not have the internet, social media or smart phones. Young adults have tuned social media platforms into careers, and kids are involved in this from a relatively young age. I am not sure it is so easily dismissed. This is not like taking away the Playstation. It is a very different generation than mine. When I was 18, the last place I wanted to be was home. Not these kids, they want to text their friends and share youtube, instagram, or tik tok videos for hours on end. But I do agree that parents coddle their children much more than my generation.
I was referring specifically to education in this comment, as I was replying to tempo's comment above. I know teachers and the bullshit they have to endure as there is no consequence for assignments not complete, allowed to redo tests, teachers aren't allowed to tell parents their kids are failing/not performing/etc, then the parents lose their minds when the kid comes home with a shitty report card, blame the teacher, demand a change to the grades, and the admin takes the side of the parents, because, in the end, it's all about funding. If parents take their kids to different schools, the enrollment falls, so then does the funding. So the admin are just cucks to these idiot parents.
I agree 100% with the challenges of phones/technology at home.
Gotcha. I can see every assignment, every grade, attendance, and every teacher message to the kids through our school portal. I check it every day. I address it at home if she is missing assignments, being marked absent or getting poor test scores. If that fails I call the school. There are no surprises when I see the report card, although there does always seem to be one teacher that is tough on the kid's grades.
I do not see it as the teachers job to reach out unless the kid has a serious problem (drugs, mental health, etc). I guess I am lucky that our school has great teachers and resources that are responsive and they care about the student's success. But you are right that being invested in that success has to do with funding. The more kids that pass the Regents, the more funding they get.
Same here with the driving. 19 and 17 and no licenses. Oldest just started driving school.
Here is the thing. You are an anomaly in most schools. There is no checking up on your kid everyday w assignments with most kids. If you are affluent or well off, sure. Yes tax brackets make a difference.
You can have the greatest teachers in the world but when the parents and kids give zero F's you will get the same failing results. Throwing money at the problem won't fix it either.
Remove phones in school is one.
Two is let the kids fail. Stop passing them and letting them slide. It's a huge disservice to them and their future.
Try those two things first and It should start some sort of motivation.
No doubt, I do live in an affluent community. I would hope most schools are online these days, but perhaps that is not true. Even so, the parents need to be proactive and engage. It takes me 15 minutes to look up the daily status. It is me that is checking up on the student, not the school, unless it is after a discussion. Maybe that makes me an anomaly as parent. And there are parents that go to the school daily, join committees, the PTA etc. and are on a first name basis with the school. That is because they have time and means to do so. You are totally right about tax brackets.
I also agree that it is ok to let them fail. Explain the responsibility, and let them understand and experience consequences of inaction or apathy. Some kids just take longer to mature and understand the importance of education. And that is ok.
I also think parents sometimes expect more than their child is truly capable of. They may want their kid to take AP calculus when in reality their kid can barely make it through geometry or algebra. You can spend all you want on tutoring, but maybe your kid is not great at math. That is not good for the kid.
I am following this as I am fairly interested in what kids get motivated from.
My GF is a teacher in a school that does not take their phones away so she has little to no classroom participation. They are always on their phones.
Screentime is a direct result of kids not caring about school as far as I can see. The instant gratification is like a drug...
Phones are the worst thing to impact schools in 1000 years. My school does allow it, not only allow it but we're supposed to take them away. But then you get that entitled parent complaining, it's their phone, they need to get a hold of their child any time they want, etc. And it falls on us to enforce it, which can be a real pain. I had 2 parents last semester complain that I have a seating chart and don't allow their kids to sit with their friends in class. The entitlement of parents is nuts these days. One of those parents complained to admin that I mark her child tardy every day out of spite because I don't like him, even though records showed I only marked him tardy twice all year. She was after me because I had taken his phone away about 3 or 4 times in class, complained to admin each time, then snowballed into those other things.
people complain about "this generation of kids". I can tell you with 100% certainty, it's "this generation of parents". As one, I feel like I'm the only sane one out of the entire group of my kids' friends' parents. Do everything for them, they can do nothing wrong. It's insanity.
As you said every situation and parenting style is different. We did not have the internet, social media or smart phones. Young adults have tuned social media platforms into careers, and kids are involved in this from a relatively young age. I am not sure it is so easily dismissed. This is not like taking away the Playstation. It is a very different generation than mine. When I was 18, the last place I wanted to be was home. Not these kids, they want to text their friends and share youtube, instagram, or tik tok videos for hours on end. But I do agree that parents coddle their children much more than my generation.
I was referring specifically to education in this comment, as I was replying to tempo's comment above. I know teachers and the bullshit they have to endure as there is no consequence for assignments not complete, allowed to redo tests, teachers aren't allowed to tell parents their kids are failing/not performing/etc, then the parents lose their minds when the kid comes home with a shitty report card, blame the teacher, demand a change to the grades, and the admin takes the side of the parents, because, in the end, it's all about funding. If parents take their kids to different schools, the enrollment falls, so then does the funding. So the admin are just cucks to these idiot parents.
I agree 100% with the challenges of phones/technology at home.
Gotcha. I can see every assignment, every grade, attendance, and every teacher message to the kids through our school portal. I check it every day. I address it at home if she is missing assignments, being marked absent or getting poor test scores. If that fails I call the school. There are no surprises when I see the report card, although there does always seem to be one teacher that is tough on the kid's grades.
I do not see it as the teachers job to reach out unless the kid has a serious problem (drugs, mental health, etc). I guess I am lucky that our school has great teachers and resources that are responsive and they care about the student's success. But you are right that being invested in that success has to do with funding. The more kids that pass the Regents, the more funding they get.
Same here with the driving. 19 and 17 and no licenses. Oldest just started driving school.
Here is the thing. You are an anomaly in most schools. There is no checking up on your kid everyday w assignments with most kids. If you are affluent or well off, sure. Yes tax brackets make a difference.
You can have the greatest teachers in the world but when the parents and kids give zero F's you will get the same failing results. Throwing money at the problem won't fix it either.
Remove phones in school is one.
Two is let the kids fail. Stop passing them and letting them slide. It's a huge disservice to them and their future.
Try those two things first and It should start some sort of motivation.
No doubt, I do live in an affluent community. I would hope most schools are online these days, but perhaps that is not true. Even so, the parents need to be proactive and engage. It takes me 15 minutes to look up the daily status. It is me that is checking up on the student, not the school, unless it is after a discussion. Maybe that makes me an anomaly as parent. And there are parents that go to the school daily, join committees, the PTA etc. and are on a first name basis with the school. That is because they have time and means to do so. You are totally right about tax brackets.
I also agree that it is ok to let them fail. Explain the responsibility, and let them understand and experience consequences of inaction or apathy. Some kids just take longer to mature and understand the importance of education. And that is ok.
I also think parents sometimes expect more than their child is truly capable of. They may want their kid to take AP calculus when in reality their kid can barely make it through geometry or algebra. You can spend all you want on tutoring, but maybe your kid is not great at math. That is not good for the kid.
not trying to call you out at all but i do find it a bit curious that some parents today decry that their children are obsessed with their phones and technology all the while using their own phones to track their kids whereabouts and signing on each day to check their school assignments. personally i would hate to be a kid today. at least in the 80s we had some level of privacy.
i do agree with you that some parents expect more or demand more from their children than they are capable of. both academically and definitely athletically. Not sure there is one right way to deal with teens. i think it depends on your child.
I was just talking to a coworker how kids don't look forward to getting their driver's license anymore. When I was in high school, your license was your freedom. Now it's your phone. Kids don't drive anymore. They don't get excited about it, they don't drive to a friend house. They play games online and text each other.
can confirm. my 18 yo and her entire group of friends-ZERO of them have their licenses. when they do actually go out, they uber.
And they get all their stuff delivered from Amazon and all their food delivered from Door dash/Uber eats. A generation of slugs.
Honestly, all that is still probably cheaper than insurance for an 18 year old. Thats the part that kills me, thinking what my insurance will be when my kids start driving, but that's still several years away.
I am following this as I am fairly interested in what kids get motivated from.
My GF is a teacher in a school that does not take their phones away so she has little to no classroom participation. They are always on their phones.
Screentime is a direct result of kids not caring about school as far as I can see. The instant gratification is like a drug...
Phones are the worst thing to impact schools in 1000 years. My school does allow it, not only allow it but we're supposed to take them away. But then you get that entitled parent complaining, it's their phone, they need to get a hold of their child any time they want, etc. And it falls on us to enforce it, which can be a real pain. I had 2 parents last semester complain that I have a seating chart and don't allow their kids to sit with their friends in class. The entitlement of parents is nuts these days. One of those parents complained to admin that I mark her child tardy every day out of spite because I don't like him, even though records showed I only marked him tardy twice all year. She was after me because I had taken his phone away about 3 or 4 times in class, complained to admin each time, then snowballed into those other things.
people complain about "this generation of kids". I can tell you with 100% certainty, it's "this generation of parents". As one, I feel like I'm the only sane one out of the entire group of my kids' friends' parents. Do everything for them, they can do nothing wrong. It's insanity.
As you said every situation and parenting style is different. We did not have the internet, social media or smart phones. Young adults have tuned social media platforms into careers, and kids are involved in this from a relatively young age. I am not sure it is so easily dismissed. This is not like taking away the Playstation. It is a very different generation than mine. When I was 18, the last place I wanted to be was home. Not these kids, they want to text their friends and share youtube, instagram, or tik tok videos for hours on end. But I do agree that parents coddle their children much more than my generation.
I was referring specifically to education in this comment, as I was replying to tempo's comment above. I know teachers and the bullshit they have to endure as there is no consequence for assignments not complete, allowed to redo tests, teachers aren't allowed to tell parents their kids are failing/not performing/etc, then the parents lose their minds when the kid comes home with a shitty report card, blame the teacher, demand a change to the grades, and the admin takes the side of the parents, because, in the end, it's all about funding. If parents take their kids to different schools, the enrollment falls, so then does the funding. So the admin are just cucks to these idiot parents.
I agree 100% with the challenges of phones/technology at home.
Gotcha. I can see every assignment, every grade, attendance, and every teacher message to the kids through our school portal. I check it every day. I address it at home if she is missing assignments, being marked absent or getting poor test scores. If that fails I call the school. There are no surprises when I see the report card, although there does always seem to be one teacher that is tough on the kid's grades.
I do not see it as the teachers job to reach out unless the kid has a serious problem (drugs, mental health, etc). I guess I am lucky that our school has great teachers and resources that are responsive and they care about the student's success. But you are right that being invested in that success has to do with funding. The more kids that pass the Regents, the more funding they get.
Same here with the driving. 19 and 17 and no licenses. Oldest just started driving school.
Here is the thing. You are an anomaly in most schools. There is no checking up on your kid everyday w assignments with most kids. If you are affluent or well off, sure. Yes tax brackets make a difference.
You can have the greatest teachers in the world but when the parents and kids give zero F's you will get the same failing results. Throwing money at the problem won't fix it either.
Remove phones in school is one.
Two is let the kids fail. Stop passing them and letting them slide. It's a huge disservice to them and their future.
Try those two things first and It should start some sort of motivation.
No doubt, I do live in an affluent community. I would hope most schools are online these days, but perhaps that is not true. Even so, the parents need to be proactive and engage. It takes me 15 minutes to look up the daily status. It is me that is checking up on the student, not the school, unless it is after a discussion. Maybe that makes me an anomaly as parent. And there are parents that go to the school daily, join committees, the PTA etc. and are on a first name basis with the school. That is because they have time and means to do so. You are totally right about tax brackets.
I also agree that it is ok to let them fail. Explain the responsibility, and let them understand and experience consequences of inaction or apathy. Some kids just take longer to mature and understand the importance of education. And that is ok.
I also think parents sometimes expect more than their child is truly capable of. They may want their kid to take AP calculus when in reality their kid can barely make it through geometry or algebra. You can spend all you want on tutoring, but maybe your kid is not great at math. That is not good for the kid.
not trying to call you out at all but i do find it a bit curious that some parents today decry that their children are obsessed with their phones and technology all the while using their own phones to track their kids whereabouts and signing on each day to check their school assignments. personally i would hate to be a kid today. at least in the 80s we had some level of privacy.
i do agree with you that some parents expect more or demand more from their children than they are capable of. both academically and definitely athletically. Not sure there is one right way to deal with teens. i think it depends on your child.
No worries. I do not use my phone. When I get home, I check on the PC. I barely use my phone for the internet. But I get your point. Adults are just as addicted to their phones as teenagers.
I am following this as I am fairly interested in what kids get motivated from.
My GF is a teacher in a school that does not take their phones away so she has little to no classroom participation. They are always on their phones.
Screentime is a direct result of kids not caring about school as far as I can see. The instant gratification is like a drug...
Phones are the worst thing to impact schools in 1000 years. My school does allow it, not only allow it but we're supposed to take them away. But then you get that entitled parent complaining, it's their phone, they need to get a hold of their child any time they want, etc. And it falls on us to enforce it, which can be a real pain. I had 2 parents last semester complain that I have a seating chart and don't allow their kids to sit with their friends in class. The entitlement of parents is nuts these days. One of those parents complained to admin that I mark her child tardy every day out of spite because I don't like him, even though records showed I only marked him tardy twice all year. She was after me because I had taken his phone away about 3 or 4 times in class, complained to admin each time, then snowballed into those other things.
people complain about "this generation of kids". I can tell you with 100% certainty, it's "this generation of parents". As one, I feel like I'm the only sane one out of the entire group of my kids' friends' parents. Do everything for them, they can do nothing wrong. It's insanity.
As you said every situation and parenting style is different. We did not have the internet, social media or smart phones. Young adults have tuned social media platforms into careers, and kids are involved in this from a relatively young age. I am not sure it is so easily dismissed. This is not like taking away the Playstation. It is a very different generation than mine. When I was 18, the last place I wanted to be was home. Not these kids, they want to text their friends and share youtube, instagram, or tik tok videos for hours on end. But I do agree that parents coddle their children much more than my generation.
I was referring specifically to education in this comment, as I was replying to tempo's comment above. I know teachers and the bullshit they have to endure as there is no consequence for assignments not complete, allowed to redo tests, teachers aren't allowed to tell parents their kids are failing/not performing/etc, then the parents lose their minds when the kid comes home with a shitty report card, blame the teacher, demand a change to the grades, and the admin takes the side of the parents, because, in the end, it's all about funding. If parents take their kids to different schools, the enrollment falls, so then does the funding. So the admin are just cucks to these idiot parents.
I agree 100% with the challenges of phones/technology at home.
Gotcha. I can see every assignment, every grade, attendance, and every teacher message to the kids through our school portal. I check it every day. I address it at home if she is missing assignments, being marked absent or getting poor test scores. If that fails I call the school. There are no surprises when I see the report card, although there does always seem to be one teacher that is tough on the kid's grades.
I do not see it as the teachers job to reach out unless the kid has a serious problem (drugs, mental health, etc). I guess I am lucky that our school has great teachers and resources that are responsive and they care about the student's success. But you are right that being invested in that success has to do with funding. The more kids that pass the Regents, the more funding they get.
Same here with the driving. 19 and 17 and no licenses. Oldest just started driving school.
Here is the thing. You are an anomaly in most schools. There is no checking up on your kid everyday w assignments with most kids. If you are affluent or well off, sure. Yes tax brackets make a difference.
You can have the greatest teachers in the world but when the parents and kids give zero F's you will get the same failing results. Throwing money at the problem won't fix it either.
Remove phones in school is one.
Two is let the kids fail. Stop passing them and letting them slide. It's a huge disservice to them and their future.
Try those two things first and It should start some sort of motivation.
No doubt, I do live in an affluent community. I would hope most schools are online these days, but perhaps that is not true. Even so, the parents need to be proactive and engage. It takes me 15 minutes to look up the daily status. It is me that is checking up on the student, not the school, unless it is after a discussion. Maybe that makes me an anomaly as parent. And there are parents that go to the school daily, join committees, the PTA etc. and are on a first name basis with the school. That is because they have time and means to do so. You are totally right about tax brackets.
I also agree that it is ok to let them fail. Explain the responsibility, and let them understand and experience consequences of inaction or apathy. Some kids just take longer to mature and understand the importance of education. And that is ok.
I also think parents sometimes expect more than their child is truly capable of. They may want their kid to take AP calculus when in reality their kid can barely make it through geometry or algebra. You can spend all you want on tutoring, but maybe your kid is not great at math. That is not good for the kid.
Agree with you both. That is the anomaly to have parents do that. It's more common in the honors level classes, but in the regular level, I'd say less than 10% of parents keep track of their grades. And I doubt there's a school in the country in the last 15 years that hasn't gone to all online where the parents can check grades themselves. But it is still an expectation to have communication with parents about grades. In Colorado my district required 2-way communication before I was allowed to fail a kid (2-way meaning I had to document a phone call or they had to reply to an email, or I'd have to pass them- just a one way email didn't count).
I still get emails from students and parents asking for a list of missing grades. I try to reply as politely as professionally as I can that they have the same access to grades as I do- the only difference is I have the ability to enter or changes grades, that is literally the only difference. I will usually get an angry email or two each semester about why their child isn't doing better and blaming me for lack of communication, when I've emailed, report cards get sent home, and its an open grade book online. Some parents want/expect me to notify them every time an assignment wasn't turned in or something. And we're talking high school with an open grade book.
We've become an education system that is afraid to let kids fail. Admin don't like kids failing because it looks bad on them, they don't want to answer to the school board or district when they have a high level of fails, so pressure comes down on the teacher. If a teacher has a higher failing rate than most, we have to answer to admin. And aside from all of that, there are so many "credit recovery" options that are just a joke. Kids know they can do nothing in a math class, then sit in a virtual room for an hour a day for 2 weeks and get the credit made up at the end of the year. And again, all to raise the graduation rate and prevent failures and brag that the school has a 97% graduation rate.
We have access to our kids' stuff through the school portal-but it isn't updated regularly by the teachers. Basically when report cards come out. That's basically it. They simply don't have the time. We have sent some emails to a few teachers, and most are great about responding, but I try not to do that too often.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
I was just talking to a coworker how kids don't look forward to getting their driver's license anymore. When I was in high school, your license was your freedom. Now it's your phone. Kids don't drive anymore. They don't get excited about it, they don't drive to a friend house. They play games online and text each other.
can confirm. my 18 yo and her entire group of friends-ZERO of them have their licenses. when they do actually go out, they uber.
And they get all their stuff delivered from Amazon and all their food delivered from Door dash/Uber eats. A generation of slugs.
Honestly, all that is still probably cheaper than insurance for an 18 year old. Thats the part that kills me, thinking what my insurance will be when my kids start driving, but that's still several years away.
I am following this as I am fairly interested in what kids get motivated from.
My GF is a teacher in a school that does not take their phones away so she has little to no classroom participation. They are always on their phones.
Screentime is a direct result of kids not caring about school as far as I can see. The instant gratification is like a drug...
Phones are the worst thing to impact schools in 1000 years. My school does allow it, not only allow it but we're supposed to take them away. But then you get that entitled parent complaining, it's their phone, they need to get a hold of their child any time they want, etc. And it falls on us to enforce it, which can be a real pain. I had 2 parents last semester complain that I have a seating chart and don't allow their kids to sit with their friends in class. The entitlement of parents is nuts these days. One of those parents complained to admin that I mark her child tardy every day out of spite because I don't like him, even though records showed I only marked him tardy twice all year. She was after me because I had taken his phone away about 3 or 4 times in class, complained to admin each time, then snowballed into those other things.
people complain about "this generation of kids". I can tell you with 100% certainty, it's "this generation of parents". As one, I feel like I'm the only sane one out of the entire group of my kids' friends' parents. Do everything for them, they can do nothing wrong. It's insanity.
As you said every situation and parenting style is different. We did not have the internet, social media or smart phones. Young adults have tuned social media platforms into careers, and kids are involved in this from a relatively young age. I am not sure it is so easily dismissed. This is not like taking away the Playstation. It is a very different generation than mine. When I was 18, the last place I wanted to be was home. Not these kids, they want to text their friends and share youtube, instagram, or tik tok videos for hours on end. But I do agree that parents coddle their children much more than my generation.
I was referring specifically to education in this comment, as I was replying to tempo's comment above. I know teachers and the bullshit they have to endure as there is no consequence for assignments not complete, allowed to redo tests, teachers aren't allowed to tell parents their kids are failing/not performing/etc, then the parents lose their minds when the kid comes home with a shitty report card, blame the teacher, demand a change to the grades, and the admin takes the side of the parents, because, in the end, it's all about funding. If parents take their kids to different schools, the enrollment falls, so then does the funding. So the admin are just cucks to these idiot parents.
I agree 100% with the challenges of phones/technology at home.
Gotcha. I can see every assignment, every grade, attendance, and every teacher message to the kids through our school portal. I check it every day. I address it at home if she is missing assignments, being marked absent or getting poor test scores. If that fails I call the school. There are no surprises when I see the report card, although there does always seem to be one teacher that is tough on the kid's grades.
I do not see it as the teachers job to reach out unless the kid has a serious problem (drugs, mental health, etc). I guess I am lucky that our school has great teachers and resources that are responsive and they care about the student's success. But you are right that being invested in that success has to do with funding. The more kids that pass the Regents, the more funding they get.
Same here with the driving. 19 and 17 and no licenses. Oldest just started driving school.
Here is the thing. You are an anomaly in most schools. There is no checking up on your kid everyday w assignments with most kids. If you are affluent or well off, sure. Yes tax brackets make a difference.
You can have the greatest teachers in the world but when the parents and kids give zero F's you will get the same failing results. Throwing money at the problem won't fix it either.
Remove phones in school is one.
Two is let the kids fail. Stop passing them and letting them slide. It's a huge disservice to them and their future.
Try those two things first and It should start some sort of motivation.
No doubt, I do live in an affluent community. I would hope most schools are online these days, but perhaps that is not true. Even so, the parents need to be proactive and engage. It takes me 15 minutes to look up the daily status. It is me that is checking up on the student, not the school, unless it is after a discussion. Maybe that makes me an anomaly as parent. And there are parents that go to the school daily, join committees, the PTA etc. and are on a first name basis with the school. That is because they have time and means to do so. You are totally right about tax brackets.
I also agree that it is ok to let them fail. Explain the responsibility, and let them understand and experience consequences of inaction or apathy. Some kids just take longer to mature and understand the importance of education. And that is ok.
I also think parents sometimes expect more than their child is truly capable of. They may want their kid to take AP calculus when in reality their kid can barely make it through geometry or algebra. You can spend all you want on tutoring, but maybe your kid is not great at math. That is not good for the kid.
Agree with you both. That is the anomaly to have parents do that. It's more common in the honors level classes, but in the regular level, I'd say less than 10% of parents keep track of their grades. And I doubt there's a school in the country in the last 15 years that hasn't gone to all online where the parents can check grades themselves. But it is still an expectation to have communication with parents about grades. In Colorado my district required 2-way communication before I was allowed to fail a kid (2-way meaning I had to document a phone call or they had to reply to an email, or I'd have to pass them- just a one way email didn't count).
I still get emails from students and parents asking for a list of missing grades. I try to reply as politely as professionally as I can that they have the same access to grades as I do- the only difference is I have the ability to enter or changes grades, that is literally the only difference. I will usually get an angry email or two each semester about why their child isn't doing better and blaming me for lack of communication, when I've emailed, report cards get sent home, and its an open grade book online. Some parents want/expect me to notify them every time an assignment wasn't turned in or something. And we're talking high school with an open grade book.
We've become an education system that is afraid to let kids fail. Admin don't like kids failing because it looks bad on them, they don't want to answer to the school board or district when they have a high level of fails, so pressure comes down on the teacher. If a teacher has a higher failing rate than most, we have to answer to admin. And aside from all of that, there are so many "credit recovery" options that are just a joke. Kids know they can do nothing in a math class, then sit in a virtual room for an hour a day for 2 weeks and get the credit made up at the end of the year. And again, all to raise the graduation rate and prevent failures and brag that the school has a 97% graduation rate.
The bad thing about the DOE is it's revenue driven. Passing students get the school more money for things. That "No child left behind" act and its predecessors are the worst thing to happen to the education industry. Well that and cell phones. NY is very close to banning them in schools. Greatest thing I've heard from the governor in a long time.
I am following this as I am fairly interested in what kids get motivated from.
My GF is a teacher in a school that does not take their phones away so she has little to no classroom participation. They are always on their phones.
Screentime is a direct result of kids not caring about school as far as I can see. The instant gratification is like a drug...
Phones are the worst thing to impact schools in 1000 years. My school does allow it, not only allow it but we're supposed to take them away. But then you get that entitled parent complaining, it's their phone, they need to get a hold of their child any time they want, etc. And it falls on us to enforce it, which can be a real pain. I had 2 parents last semester complain that I have a seating chart and don't allow their kids to sit with their friends in class. The entitlement of parents is nuts these days. One of those parents complained to admin that I mark her child tardy every day out of spite because I don't like him, even though records showed I only marked him tardy twice all year. She was after me because I had taken his phone away about 3 or 4 times in class, complained to admin each time, then snowballed into those other things.
people complain about "this generation of kids". I can tell you with 100% certainty, it's "this generation of parents". As one, I feel like I'm the only sane one out of the entire group of my kids' friends' parents. Do everything for them, they can do nothing wrong. It's insanity.
As you said every situation and parenting style is different. We did not have the internet, social media or smart phones. Young adults have tuned social media platforms into careers, and kids are involved in this from a relatively young age. I am not sure it is so easily dismissed. This is not like taking away the Playstation. It is a very different generation than mine. When I was 18, the last place I wanted to be was home. Not these kids, they want to text their friends and share youtube, instagram, or tik tok videos for hours on end. But I do agree that parents coddle their children much more than my generation.
I was referring specifically to education in this comment, as I was replying to tempo's comment above. I know teachers and the bullshit they have to endure as there is no consequence for assignments not complete, allowed to redo tests, teachers aren't allowed to tell parents their kids are failing/not performing/etc, then the parents lose their minds when the kid comes home with a shitty report card, blame the teacher, demand a change to the grades, and the admin takes the side of the parents, because, in the end, it's all about funding. If parents take their kids to different schools, the enrollment falls, so then does the funding. So the admin are just cucks to these idiot parents.
I agree 100% with the challenges of phones/technology at home.
Gotcha. I can see every assignment, every grade, attendance, and every teacher message to the kids through our school portal. I check it every day. I address it at home if she is missing assignments, being marked absent or getting poor test scores. If that fails I call the school. There are no surprises when I see the report card, although there does always seem to be one teacher that is tough on the kid's grades.
I do not see it as the teachers job to reach out unless the kid has a serious problem (drugs, mental health, etc). I guess I am lucky that our school has great teachers and resources that are responsive and they care about the student's success. But you are right that being invested in that success has to do with funding. The more kids that pass the Regents, the more funding they get.
Same here with the driving. 19 and 17 and no licenses. Oldest just started driving school.
Here is the thing. You are an anomaly in most schools. There is no checking up on your kid everyday w assignments with most kids. If you are affluent or well off, sure. Yes tax brackets make a difference.
You can have the greatest teachers in the world but when the parents and kids give zero F's you will get the same failing results. Throwing money at the problem won't fix it either.
Remove phones in school is one.
Two is let the kids fail. Stop passing them and letting them slide. It's a huge disservice to them and their future.
Try those two things first and It should start some sort of motivation.
No doubt, I do live in an affluent community. I would hope most schools are online these days, but perhaps that is not true. Even so, the parents need to be proactive and engage. It takes me 15 minutes to look up the daily status. It is me that is checking up on the student, not the school, unless it is after a discussion. Maybe that makes me an anomaly as parent. And there are parents that go to the school daily, join committees, the PTA etc. and are on a first name basis with the school. That is because they have time and means to do so. You are totally right about tax brackets.
I also agree that it is ok to let them fail. Explain the responsibility, and let them understand and experience consequences of inaction or apathy. Some kids just take longer to mature and understand the importance of education. And that is ok.
I also think parents sometimes expect more than their child is truly capable of. They may want their kid to take AP calculus when in reality their kid can barely make it through geometry or algebra. You can spend all you want on tutoring, but maybe your kid is not great at math. That is not good for the kid.
Agree with you both. That is the anomaly to have parents do that. It's more common in the honors level classes, but in the regular level, I'd say less than 10% of parents keep track of their grades. And I doubt there's a school in the country in the last 15 years that hasn't gone to all online where the parents can check grades themselves. But it is still an expectation to have communication with parents about grades. In Colorado my district required 2-way communication before I was allowed to fail a kid (2-way meaning I had to document a phone call or they had to reply to an email, or I'd have to pass them- just a one way email didn't count).
I still get emails from students and parents asking for a list of missing grades. I try to reply as politely as professionally as I can that they have the same access to grades as I do- the only difference is I have the ability to enter or changes grades, that is literally the only difference. I will usually get an angry email or two each semester about why their child isn't doing better and blaming me for lack of communication, when I've emailed, report cards get sent home, and its an open grade book online. Some parents want/expect me to notify them every time an assignment wasn't turned in or something. And we're talking high school with an open grade book.
We've become an education system that is afraid to let kids fail. Admin don't like kids failing because it looks bad on them, they don't want to answer to the school board or district when they have a high level of fails, so pressure comes down on the teacher. If a teacher has a higher failing rate than most, we have to answer to admin. And aside from all of that, there are so many "credit recovery" options that are just a joke. Kids know they can do nothing in a math class, then sit in a virtual room for an hour a day for 2 weeks and get the credit made up at the end of the year. And again, all to raise the graduation rate and prevent failures and brag that the school has a 97% graduation rate.
The bad thing about the DOE is it's revenue driven. Passing students get the school more money for things. That "No child left behind" act and its predecessors are the worst thing to happen to the education industry. Well that and cell phones. NY is very close to banning them in schools. Greatest thing I've heard from the governor in a long time.
The problem is that they need laptops or tablets for school. They find ways to get on social media. Maybe they could restrict it through the school WiFi or handout school laptops. That would cost a bundle.
I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef Animals were hiding behind the Coral Except for little Turtle I could swear he's trying to talk to me Gurgle Gurgle
Among a number of other things I've done, I was a teacher for awhile- two years with a 5/6th grade combo, 3 years subbing mostly middle school kids, and two years at the community college level. I'm a big fan of education and have something like 200 units of college course under my belt.
But that said, I also don't believe school is for everyone. I have a nephew who dropped out of high school but is a bright and ambitious kid. He was smart enough and skilled enough at various hands-on jobs to have enabled himself to buy his first house while in his early 20s (a much nicer house than I'll ever own). I also have a step daughter who took only a few part-time semesters of college courses and nearly flunked out-- so she dropped out. But she is bright and ambitious. Without a degree, she became the head of a city's chamber of commerce and then went on to become the only person I know of who is a successful paralegal without a college degree of any kind.
So my thinking is that, for kids who hate school, it's more important to focus on the things they enjoy doing that could lead to them finding job satisfaction when they are out of school. Sometimes trade schools with a great emphasis on hands-on than book learning are a better way to go. I only see two reasons for being interested in regular schooling: either because a person is interested in and enjoys learning via studies, or is OK with slogging through schools having the main function of training punctual worker bees (which is what most schools are about.)
That's my two cents.
I tell this story all the time. The most successful person I have ever known that did not go to college. Right out of high school, he was a plumber apprentice, then a full time plumber, then opened a plumbing supply company. He makes big dollars every year. College does not always equate to making a living or being happy at your job.
No, it definitely doesn't, but it is still a fact that having a good education is stongly correlated with greater happiness and success.
Not if your an Indian
Relationships have the strongest correlation with subjective well-being. Does education correlate to success? In the arts?
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My school does allow it, not only allow it but we're supposed to take them away. But then you get that entitled parent complaining, it's their phone, they need to get a hold of their child any time they want, etc. And it falls on us to enforce it, which can be a real pain.
I had 2 parents last semester complain that I have a seating chart and don't allow their kids to sit with their friends in class. The entitlement of parents is nuts these days. One of those parents complained to admin that I mark her child tardy every day out of spite because I don't like him, even though records showed I only marked him tardy twice all year. She was after me because I had taken his phone away about 3 or 4 times in class, complained to admin each time, then snowballed into those other things.
I also requested the special education department conduct tests to see if she qualified for additional support. She did not qualify, but it put her on the radar of the schools and they gave her more attention/support to help her succeed. The school psychologist even stepped got involved. In some cases, kids are diagnosed with learning disabilities at the high school level and can get support to help them get through school. We are in a competitive district with a very high college placement rate and at my daughter is now motivated by the competition with her friends to get the best grades and by the social pressure to get into the best possible college. At some point it just clicked for her, but I do think a big part of it was being involved as she progressed.
The phones are a problem. The amount of time they spend on their devices is ridiculous. But I would never tell a teacher to give it back if it was being used during class. We have more entitled parents calling out teachers for their children's grades.
We talked about an upcoming event that he and his son usually do together. He said he couldn't because his son had "a lot going on".
I asked what, he replied just school.
I then said that he is 22. He should be able to burn the candle at both ends and the middle.
My buddy replied "not this generation".
As you said every situation and parenting style is different. We did not have the internet, social media or smart phones. Young adults have tuned social media platforms into careers, and kids are involved in this from a relatively young age. I am not sure it is so easily dismissed. This is not like taking away the Playstation. It is a very different generation than mine. When I was 18, the last place I wanted to be was home. Not these kids, they want to text their friends and share youtube, instagram, or tik tok videos for hours on end. But I do agree that parents coddle their children much more than my generation.
I agree 100% with the challenges of phones/technology at home.
Gotcha. I can see every assignment, every grade, attendance, and every teacher message to the kids through our school portal. I check it every day. I address it at home if she is missing assignments, being marked absent or getting poor test scores. If that fails I call the school. There are no surprises when I see the report card, although there does always seem to be one teacher that is tough on the kid's grades.
I do not see it as the teachers job to reach out unless the kid has a serious problem (drugs, mental health, etc). I guess I am lucky that our school has great teachers and resources that are responsive and they care about the student's success. But you are right that being invested in that success has to do with funding. The more kids that pass the Regents, the more funding they get.
Same here with the driving. 19 and 17 and no licenses. Oldest just started driving school.
Ive achieved so much since then, I'm a totally different person. I put it all down to the fact that my parents were fully supportive of me no matter what I was or wasn't studying. They didnt put any pressure on me to be achiement oriented, in fact quite the opposite. They would often tell me to have a rest.
I achieved more than I ever imagined when I felt ready, thanks to their love and kindness. It wasn't conditional or based on good grades. I got to just be me and find my own way, learning the things I enjoyed. That's my advice. Leave her be, she'll find her way.
If you add to the pressure or take away the WiFi, that won't help. They're growing up in a different era. Things are so different for these kids. Ubers, mobiles, Amazon, etc. it's more instant.
I've failed loads, let them fail hard, that way you learn what you want or need to do to succeed. I've attended three good universities and none of it came from my parents putting any pressure on me to achieve good grades at school.
You can have the greatest teachers in the world but when the parents and kids give zero F's you will get the same failing results. Throwing money at the problem won't fix it either.
Remove phones in school is one.
Two is let the kids fail. Stop passing them and letting them slide. It's a huge disservice to them and their future.
Try those two things first and It should start some sort of motivation.
No doubt, I do live in an affluent community. I would hope most schools are online these days, but perhaps that is not true. Even so, the parents need to be proactive and engage. It takes me 15 minutes to look up the daily status. It is me that is checking up on the student, not the school, unless it is after a discussion. Maybe that makes me an anomaly as parent. And there are parents that go to the school daily, join committees, the PTA etc. and are on a first name basis with the school. That is because they have time and means to do so. You are totally right about tax brackets.
I also agree that it is ok to let them fail. Explain the responsibility, and let them understand and experience consequences of inaction or apathy. Some kids just take longer to mature and understand the importance of education. And that is ok.
I also think parents sometimes expect more than their child is truly capable of. They may want their kid to take AP calculus when in reality their kid can barely make it through geometry or algebra. You can spend all you want on tutoring, but maybe your kid is not great at math. That is not good for the kid.
i do agree with you that some parents expect more or demand more from their children than they are capable of. both academically and definitely athletically. Not sure there is one right way to deal with teens. i think it depends on your child.
Thats the part that kills me, thinking what my insurance will be when my kids start driving, but that's still several years away.
I still get emails from students and parents asking for a list of missing grades. I try to reply as politely as professionally as I can that they have the same access to grades as I do- the only difference is I have the ability to enter or changes grades, that is literally the only difference. I will usually get an angry email or two each semester about why their child isn't doing better and blaming me for lack of communication, when I've emailed, report cards get sent home, and its an open grade book online. Some parents want/expect me to notify them every time an assignment wasn't turned in or something. And we're talking high school with an open grade book.
We've become an education system that is afraid to let kids fail. Admin don't like kids failing because it looks bad on them, they don't want to answer to the school board or district when they have a high level of fails, so pressure comes down on the teacher. If a teacher has a higher failing rate than most, we have to answer to admin. And aside from all of that, there are so many "credit recovery" options that are just a joke. Kids know they can do nothing in a math class, then sit in a virtual room for an hour a day for 2 weeks and get the credit made up at the end of the year. And again, all to raise the graduation rate and prevent failures and brag that the school has a 97% graduation rate.
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even if I look and act really crazy.
The problem is that they need laptops or tablets for school. They find ways to get on social media. Maybe they could restrict it through the school WiFi or handout school laptops. That would cost a bundle.
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Relationships have the strongest correlation with subjective well-being.
Does education correlate to success? In the arts?
Animals were hiding behind the Coral
Except for little Turtle
I could swear he's trying to talk to me
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