#47 economic policies

Gern Blansten

I can't believe dems aren't lighting themselves on fire over trump's comments in the Oval about how much money those billionaires made when the market shot up Wednesday. They should be hammering that on every network. 

GlowGirl

josevolution said:

Too bad nothing can be done

Things can be done and should be done. But nothing will be done. 

DE4173

Gern Blansten said:

I can't believe dems aren't lighting themselves on fire over trump's comments in the Oval about how much money those billionaires made when the market shot up Wednesday. They should be hammering that on every network. 

Don't they (and repubs) trade on insider info that their constituents don't have?

Maybe that's why. 🤷‍♂️

Lerxst1992

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

and we see how much liberals on the far left care about people who aren’t in their tiny little clubs. Scream yell fight protest only people in their little tiny clubs get rights so why should we subsidize the worlds medical supply with 0% tariffs?

What does this mean? What are the tiny clubs you're referencing?

I'm not on the far left, but it seems to me as a moderate lifelong independent that liberals, both in the modern political sense and in the classical sense, are generally in favor of broad-based rights for everyone. Everyone has a right to safe food and drinking water, to due process, to vote without undue restriction and to have that vote counted fairly, to love whom you wish and to express that love, to have access to affordable, quality healthcare.

All you have to do to see the difference between the right and the left when it comes to rights is to look at voting. Every single attempt to make it harder for citizens to vote has come from the right, and many of those efforts have been rather transparently cynically targeted towards people who tend not to vote for candidates on the right. Meanwhile, Democrats don't advance bills anywhere to make it harder for people to vote, regardless of whether those people are demographically inclined to vote for Democrats or not. The great irony is that Republicans have been so committed to suppressing the vote for so long that the political ground has shifted to where greater turnout now favors Republicans more than Democrats, a reversal of the way things had been for decades. The less engaged people who are least likely to vote in every election now favor Republicans, and the most engaged voters now tend to vote for Democrats. The more engaged you are, the more you are able to navigate whatever hurdles are thrown up in front of you. If you're someone who votes only once every four years, if that, you're less savvy about how to navigate the system and that could lead to you being shut out at the polls. So the Republicans might end up making it harder for their own voters to vote than they will for the Democratic-inclined voters they've been trying to suppress.

I received significant attacks on here for being like Bill Maher, which was accurate. The attacks were, but the mocking and associated cursing was a little much. 5 years ago I stopped watching Maher, because I thought he went too far blaming democratic party for woke movement. Turns out he was right.


try saying you support dei on here, but say you don’t support older white workers getting fired to give jobs to diverse people. Commenters here will invent every excuse to support a policy they clearly dont understand in full. I’ve had friends with excellent employment records get destroyed financially and on here, every excuse to blame the victim, because no, there is no chance a far left policy can get out of control and hurt people. To me, this is representative of what’s happening on the far left

And then there is Hamas. Years ago, there’d never be a congress squad supporting a terrorist organization and a poor human rights culture that exists in Palestine. The bias crowd will invent every excuse, admit to not research their articles before posting, and refuse to watch videos that documents bias against Jewish students here. Refuse to want a peace negotiation between the countries at war. The far left judges by the color of skin. Similar to the extreme on the other side.

if your focus is on voting rights, republicans would argue dems are trying to flood in immigrants to get as many sympathetic voters as possible. Since I am not republican, I am not going to try to prove that either way. But extremism does exist on the far left. And on here.

benjs

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

and we see how much liberals on the far left care about people who aren’t in their tiny little clubs. Scream yell fight protest only people in their little tiny clubs get rights so why should we subsidize the worlds medical supply with 0% tariffs?

What does this mean? What are the tiny clubs you're referencing?

I'm not on the far left, but it seems to me as a moderate lifelong independent that liberals, both in the modern political sense and in the classical sense, are generally in favor of broad-based rights for everyone. Everyone has a right to safe food and drinking water, to due process, to vote without undue restriction and to have that vote counted fairly, to love whom you wish and to express that love, to have access to affordable, quality healthcare.

All you have to do to see the difference between the right and the left when it comes to rights is to look at voting. Every single attempt to make it harder for citizens to vote has come from the right, and many of those efforts have been rather transparently cynically targeted towards people who tend not to vote for candidates on the right. Meanwhile, Democrats don't advance bills anywhere to make it harder for people to vote, regardless of whether those people are demographically inclined to vote for Democrats or not. The great irony is that Republicans have been so committed to suppressing the vote for so long that the political ground has shifted to where greater turnout now favors Republicans more than Democrats, a reversal of the way things had been for decades. The less engaged people who are least likely to vote in every election now favor Republicans, and the most engaged voters now tend to vote for Democrats. The more engaged you are, the more you are able to navigate whatever hurdles are thrown up in front of you. If you're someone who votes only once every four years, if that, you're less savvy about how to navigate the system and that could lead to you being shut out at the polls. So the Republicans might end up making it harder for their own voters to vote than they will for the Democratic-inclined voters they've been trying to suppress.

I received significant attacks on here for being like Bill Maher, which was accurate. The attacks were, but the mocking and associated cursing was a little much. 5 years ago I stopped watching Maher, because I thought he went too far blaming democratic party for woke movement. Turns out he was right.


try saying you support dei on here, but say you don’t support older white workers getting fired to give jobs to diverse people. Commenters here will invent every excuse to support a policy they clearly dont understand in full. I’ve had friends with excellent employment records get destroyed financially and on here, every excuse to blame the victim, because no, there is no chance a far left policy can get out of control and hurt people. To me, this is representative of what’s happening on the far left

And then there is Hamas. Years ago, there’d never be a congress squad supporting a terrorist organization and a poor human rights culture that exists in Palestine. The bias crowd will invent every excuse, admit to not research their articles before posting, and refuse to watch videos that documents bias against Jewish students here. Refuse to want a peace negotiation between the countries at war. The far left judges by the color of skin. Similar to the extreme on the other side.

if your focus is on voting rights, republicans would argue dems are trying to flood in immigrants to get as many sympathetic voters as possible. Since I am not republican, I am not going to try to prove that either way. But extremism does exist on the far left. And on here.

I'm very sorry for your fired friends - hires and fires should be on merit. You seem to believe that either DEI initiatives exist and meritocracy is dead, or that meritocracy is reinforced with the death of DEI initiatives. I can't disagree with you more, and feel that they can coexist. I've explained to you what this looks like, and you simply responded to me with something akin to "fires should be based on merit", with no further details about why my image of DEI is invalid.

A flawed implementation of DEI initiatives does not mean that DEI initiatives are inherently unfair - it just swings the injustice all the way back to the other side. Reforming, not removing, DEI initiatives seems to be a prudent way forward, no?

The outcome of the end of apartheid has been brutal for South Africa. Does that mean the end of apartheid was not warranted? I know these aren't identical situations, but it feels like another 'overcorrection' where an 'under-correction' wasn't an acceptable option. 

Gern Blansten

DE4173 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I can't believe dems aren't lighting themselves on fire over trump's comments in the Oval about how much money those billionaires made when the market shot up Wednesday. They should be hammering that on every network. 

Don't they (and repubs) trade on insider info that their constituents don't have?

Maybe that's why. 🤷‍♂️

maybe...but they don't stand in the Oval and brag about how much their visitors made by manipulating the market

nicknyr15

Gern Blansten said:

DE4173 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I can't believe dems aren't lighting themselves on fire over trump's comments in the Oval about how much money those billionaires made when the market shot up Wednesday. They should be hammering that on every network. 

Don't they (and repubs) trade on insider info that their constituents don't have?

Maybe that's why. 🤷‍♂️

maybe...but they don't stand in the Oval and brag about how much their visitors made by manipulating the market

It’s always been done, just not so blatantly in the open. I’m not sure the tariffs actually have any other reason besides stock manipulation at this point. 

Go Beavers

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

and we see how much liberals on the far left care about people who aren’t in their tiny little clubs. Scream yell fight protest only people in their little tiny clubs get rights so why should we subsidize the worlds medical supply with 0% tariffs?

What does this mean? What are the tiny clubs you're referencing?

I'm not on the far left, but it seems to me as a moderate lifelong independent that liberals, both in the modern political sense and in the classical sense, are generally in favor of broad-based rights for everyone. Everyone has a right to safe food and drinking water, to due process, to vote without undue restriction and to have that vote counted fairly, to love whom you wish and to express that love, to have access to affordable, quality healthcare.

All you have to do to see the difference between the right and the left when it comes to rights is to look at voting. Every single attempt to make it harder for citizens to vote has come from the right, and many of those efforts have been rather transparently cynically targeted towards people who tend not to vote for candidates on the right. Meanwhile, Democrats don't advance bills anywhere to make it harder for people to vote, regardless of whether those people are demographically inclined to vote for Democrats or not. The great irony is that Republicans have been so committed to suppressing the vote for so long that the political ground has shifted to where greater turnout now favors Republicans more than Democrats, a reversal of the way things had been for decades. The less engaged people who are least likely to vote in every election now favor Republicans, and the most engaged voters now tend to vote for Democrats. The more engaged you are, the more you are able to navigate whatever hurdles are thrown up in front of you. If you're someone who votes only once every four years, if that, you're less savvy about how to navigate the system and that could lead to you being shut out at the polls. So the Republicans might end up making it harder for their own voters to vote than they will for the Democratic-inclined voters they've been trying to suppress.

I received significant attacks on here for being like Bill Maher, which was accurate. The attacks were, but the mocking and associated cursing was a little much. 5 years ago I stopped watching Maher, because I thought he went too far blaming democratic party for woke movement. Turns out he was right.


try saying you support dei on here, but say you don’t support older white workers getting fired to give jobs to diverse people. Commenters here will invent every excuse to support a policy they clearly dont understand in full. I’ve had friends with excellent employment records get destroyed financially and on here, every excuse to blame the victim, because no, there is no chance a far left policy can get out of control and hurt people. To me, this is representative of what’s happening on the far left

And then there is Hamas. Years ago, there’d never be a congress squad supporting a terrorist organization and a poor human rights culture that exists in Palestine. The bias crowd will invent every excuse, admit to not research their articles before posting, and refuse to watch videos that documents bias against Jewish students here. Refuse to want a peace negotiation between the countries at war. The far left judges by the color of skin. Similar to the extreme on the other side.

if your focus is on voting rights, republicans would argue dems are trying to flood in immigrants to get as many sympathetic voters as possible. Since I am not republican, I am not going to try to prove that either way. But extremism does exist on the far left. And on here.

If you want to have honest, objective back and forth in here, start by sourcing your claims of American politicians supporting Hamas. 

DE4173

Gern Blansten said:

DE4173 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I can't believe dems aren't lighting themselves on fire over trump's comments in the Oval about how much money those billionaires made when the market shot up Wednesday. They should be hammering that on every network. 

Don't they (and repubs) trade on insider info that their constituents don't have?

Maybe that's why. 🤷‍♂️

maybe...but they don't stand in the Oval and brag about how much their visitors made by manipulating the market

Agreed. They are much smarter than to bring attention to it.

JeBurkhardt

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

DE4173 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I can't believe dems aren't lighting themselves on fire over trump's comments in the Oval about how much money those billionaires made when the market shot up Wednesday. They should be hammering that on every network. 

Don't they (and repubs) trade on insider info that their constituents don't have?

Maybe that's why. 🤷‍♂️

maybe...but they don't stand in the Oval and brag about how much their visitors made by manipulating the market

It’s always been done, just not so blatantly in the open. I’m not sure the tariffs actually have any other reason besides stock manipulation at this point. 

This. They realize they can trigger the big losses(and profit off of the sell off and buying at the bottom) and now I fully expect that to be a regular money making tactic until a stop is put to it. 

brianlux

JeBurkhardt said:

nicknyr15 said:

Gern Blansten said:

DE4173 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I can't believe dems aren't lighting themselves on fire over trump's comments in the Oval about how much money those billionaires made when the market shot up Wednesday. They should be hammering that on every network. 

Don't they (and repubs) trade on insider info that their constituents don't have?

Maybe that's why. 🤷‍♂️

maybe...but they don't stand in the Oval and brag about how much their visitors made by manipulating the market

It’s always been done, just not so blatantly in the open. I’m not sure the tariffs actually have any other reason besides stock manipulation at this point. 

This. They realize they can trigger the big losses(and profit off of the sell off and buying at the bottom) and now I fully expect that to be a regular money making tactic until a stop is put to it. 

Agreed, both.  That, really in a nutshell, is the whole focus of our current "bosses"-- make more more more at everyone else's expense.  And millions of people voted for that and still support it.   That's so weird.

DE4173

I guess some people can be tracked:

https://www.capitoltrades.com/

https://www.smartinsider.com/politicians/

https://www.quiverquant.com/congresstrading/

mickeyrat

Go Beavers said:

Lerxst1992 said:

BF25394 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

and we see how much liberals on the far left care about people who aren’t in their tiny little clubs. Scream yell fight protest only people in their little tiny clubs get rights so why should we subsidize the worlds medical supply with 0% tariffs?

What does this mean? What are the tiny clubs you're referencing?

I'm not on the far left, but it seems to me as a moderate lifelong independent that liberals, both in the modern political sense and in the classical sense, are generally in favor of broad-based rights for everyone. Everyone has a right to safe food and drinking water, to due process, to vote without undue restriction and to have that vote counted fairly, to love whom you wish and to express that love, to have access to affordable, quality healthcare.

All you have to do to see the difference between the right and the left when it comes to rights is to look at voting. Every single attempt to make it harder for citizens to vote has come from the right, and many of those efforts have been rather transparently cynically targeted towards people who tend not to vote for candidates on the right. Meanwhile, Democrats don't advance bills anywhere to make it harder for people to vote, regardless of whether those people are demographically inclined to vote for Democrats or not. The great irony is that Republicans have been so committed to suppressing the vote for so long that the political ground has shifted to where greater turnout now favors Republicans more than Democrats, a reversal of the way things had been for decades. The less engaged people who are least likely to vote in every election now favor Republicans, and the most engaged voters now tend to vote for Democrats. The more engaged you are, the more you are able to navigate whatever hurdles are thrown up in front of you. If you're someone who votes only once every four years, if that, you're less savvy about how to navigate the system and that could lead to you being shut out at the polls. So the Republicans might end up making it harder for their own voters to vote than they will for the Democratic-inclined voters they've been trying to suppress.

I received significant attacks on here for being like Bill Maher, which was accurate. The attacks were, but the mocking and associated cursing was a little much. 5 years ago I stopped watching Maher, because I thought he went too far blaming democratic party for woke movement. Turns out he was right.


try saying you support dei on here, but say you don’t support older white workers getting fired to give jobs to diverse people. Commenters here will invent every excuse to support a policy they clearly dont understand in full. I’ve had friends with excellent employment records get destroyed financially and on here, every excuse to blame the victim, because no, there is no chance a far left policy can get out of control and hurt people. To me, this is representative of what’s happening on the far left

And then there is Hamas. Years ago, there’d never be a congress squad supporting a terrorist organization and a poor human rights culture that exists in Palestine. The bias crowd will invent every excuse, admit to not research their articles before posting, and refuse to watch videos that documents bias against Jewish students here. Refuse to want a peace negotiation between the countries at war. The far left judges by the color of skin. Similar to the extreme on the other side.

if your focus is on voting rights, republicans would argue dems are trying to flood in immigrants to get as many sympathetic voters as possible. Since I am not republican, I am not going to try to prove that either way. But extremism does exist on the far left. And on here.

If you want to have honest, objective back and forth in here, start by sourcing your claims of American politicians supporting Hamas. 

it starts with all Palestinians are Hamas. So if you support the average Palestinian,  a child say, from wanton death and destruction, then you,  by definition,  support Hamas.

Unless that Palestinian happens to protest Hamas and is tortured and killed by Hamas. Then thats a Palestinian worthy of support. But I think the test is death by Hamas, once that happens rhen you are a good Palestinian.

Kinda like the Salem Witch Trials.

josevolution

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna200722

I guess he’s realizing that Johnny Joey or Michael down the street will not be replacing the immigrants that endure working the fields! Fucking idiot 

brianlux

josevolution said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna200722

I guess he’s realizing that Johnny Joey or Michael down the street will not be replacing the immigrants that endure working the fields! Fucking idiot 

They never were going to.  For the most part, white Americans are to lazy, weak, and out of shape to do that kind of hard work.

Picking, hoeing, pruning... damn hard work!

Tim Simmons

josevolution said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna200722

I guess he’s realizing that Johnny Joey or Michael down the street will not be replacing the immigrants that endure working the fields! Fucking idiot 

the insane thing is, this is literally what we had before he blew it all up. 

its almost like things were just fine the way they were. 

josevolution

Tim Simmons said:

josevolution said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna200722

I guess he’s realizing that Johnny Joey or Michael down the street will not be replacing the immigrants that endure working the fields! Fucking idiot 

the insane thing is, this is literally what we had before he blew it all up. 

its almost like things were just fine the way they were. 

Talk about fixing something that wasn’t broken! 

darwinstheory

Tim Simmons said:

josevolution said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna200722

I guess he’s realizing that Johnny Joey or Michael down the street will not be replacing the immigrants that endure working the fields! Fucking idiot 

the insane thing is, this is literally what we had before he blew it all up. 

its almost like things were just fine the way they were. 

Only now he gets to say he fixed something. And his idiot followers will guzzle that orange kool-aid. You think for a second that part of his plan wasn't simply to earn the right to say he deported more illegals than Oooobama?

He also had tthe best day ever in the stock market. He may have intentionally tanked the mofo, but he gets to claim best day ever. The magrats will drink that shit too.

mickeyrat

mickeyrat

In Barry Blitt’s latest Kvetchbook, Donald Trump dances on the deck of the Titanic. But will he go down with the ship? https://newyorkermag.visitlink.me/WvBXTZ

mickeyrat

image of a "truth" social post within....

https://www.threads.net/@ronaldfilipkowski/post/DIZjZ7WxmQh?xmt=AQGz5trsXShWQVejR5yt8VUBwLNbDPtkRI-ocrxAeRe4qw

Nobody knows from one hour to the next what the policy of the US govt is that impacts trillions of dollars in global trade. There is no economic certainty for investors, corporations, or small businesses. Mad King Donald is determined to wreck this economy.

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@thetnholler/post/DIZSytURomn?xmt=AQGzkdZOijDfJ_zvP9qIBwq0kE5srVOGmBe6cK-dxLL_2Q

made-in-China MAGA merch getting hit by Trump’s tariffs

(H/T @saadia___m )

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@investinqq/post/DIbFzIBqUAg?xmt=AQGzxVu4pQ69BTJmqG-pLAcro6lsx9bYww4kcEsVQZ5Nbw

Massive shockwaves hitting global trade: Ocean shipping volumes just cratered. Global container bookings are down 49% in a single week. U.S. imports collapsed by 64%, and exports dropped 30%.

U.S.-China trade lanes were hit hardest imports from China plunged 64%, while exports to China fell 36%.

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

https://www.threads.net/@investinqq/post/DIbFzIBqUAg?xmt=AQGzxVu4pQ69BTJmqG-pLAcro6lsx9bYww4kcEsVQZ5Nbw

Massive shockwaves hitting global trade: Ocean shipping volumes just cratered. Global container bookings are down 49% in a single week. U.S. imports collapsed by 64%, and exports dropped 30%.

U.S.-China trade lanes were hit hardest imports from China plunged 64%, while exports to China fell 36%.

That’s one way to clear the backlog of container ships waiting to off load at our nation’s ports. Brilliant brilliance in all its brilliancy.

JeBurkhardt

josevolution said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna200722

I guess he’s realizing that Johnny Joey or Michael down the street will not be replacing the immigrants that endure working the fields! Fucking idiot 

My drive to work each day involves driving past thousands of acres of melon fields. I can confirm your statement. We have hundreds of migrant workers who work the area. I don't see any white faces among them, with the exception of people driving the trucks.

benjs

JeBurkhardt said:

josevolution said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna200722

I guess he’s realizing that Johnny Joey or Michael down the street will not be replacing the immigrants that endure working the fields! Fucking idiot 

My drive to work each day involves driving past thousands of acres of melon fields. I can confirm your statement. We have hundreds of migrant workers who work the area. I don't see any white faces among them, with the exception of people driving the trucks.

The irony is that Trump loves exploitation, yet doesn’t love undocumented immigrants. Who does he think is willing to screw tiny parts together, and how does he expect prices to go down, when he brings back manufacturing? If the answer is robotics, who funds those new expenses to pivot assembly lines? And with people saving money because of unpredictable policy changes every other day, who will consume these new expensive manufacturing outputs? Won’t be other countries - they sure won’t want to help the States’ new proposed economic world order. Am I missing something or are the tariffs plus the pursuit of undocumented immigrants both antithetical to the goal of bringing jobs back to the States? 

BF25394

brianlux said:

josevolution said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna200722

I guess he’s realizing that Johnny Joey or Michael down the street will not be replacing the immigrants that endure working the fields! Fucking idiot 

They never were going to.  For the most part, white Americans are to lazy, weak, and out of shape to do that kind of hard work.

Picking, hoeing, pruning... damn hard work!

I think your choice of adjectives is poor (not to mention racist). There aren't a lot of Americans willing to do these jobs, but it's not necessarily because they are lazy, weak or out-of-shape. It's that they have other options, and very few people would choose to do backbreaking manual labor out in the hot sun (with employers who often do not adhere to standards for safe working environments) when they have other options that immigrants, especially undocumented immigrants, are less likely to have.