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EH14457 said:I honestly wouldn't be shocked if this isn't even on their radar. Heck, the official company line is still that F2F tickets are non-transferrable even though we know that's not the case. I've started to lean more towards this just being lack of awareness for TM, and a clear lack of ROI/incentive to do anything about it even if they are aware.One of my many issues is enforcement. I don't think I have ever heard of TM cancelling F2F resales...ever. They just put out a boiler plate statement and then look the other way. Maybe they have done it but not at any scale. The UK got it's first taste of dynamic pricing last fall with Oasis and it did not go well. TM claims they will cancel tens of thousands of tickets on the secondary market but have yet to that. They are counting on people to either forget or be resigned to their faith against a massive corporation. I'm about there. I'll check randomly for Raleigh N1 in the hopes of getting GA or close seats but except that I will take what I can get in the weeks or days before the show. If an obstinate SOB like myself is at that point, a normal person would have been their weeks ago.Nothing stops them from segregated the various fan clubs for F2F. They don't even have do it for the general sale tickets. They just won't and as they take over running more fan clubs there are less and less people advocating for the fans. It's a "be happy with what you get and if you get nothing well sucks for you." And if this was how it's always been fine but for us that's not the case.
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They're definitely aware of the barcode hack. Are they aware of the approach that 3rd parties are using to snag F2F tickets quickly? Is it bots? Is it API access? Is it something else? TM's anti-bot strategy clearly paints with a broad brush (as many of us have been caught up in it), but F2F has a handful of other wrinkles... Unique IDs generated for ticket sales... are those discoverable? And unlike traditional sales, there's no such thing as a cart reservation, so checkout must be completed as quickly as possible. There are just a few differences... and with Ticketmaster (initially) thinking that these tickets were non-transferrable and therefore less desirable targets for scalpers, it may not have even been on their radar to try and prevent malicious activity on these event pages. I'm just saying that it's going to be really difficult to prove that TM is complicit in anything that's happening with these tickets. Ignorance is as likely an explanation as malice.
Re: enforcement by way of cancellations, it's good in theory... but all it would take is some chaos agent(s) listing a bunch of tickets they don't own and getting fans' tickets canceled. TM is clearly within their rights to cancel any tickets they want, but can you imagine if hundreds of users had their tickets canceled because some disgruntled broker just started listing tickets they don't even have on 3rd party marketplaces? As stupid as it sounds, it's not possible for TM to prove that ticket owners are responsible for listings on 3rd party sites... and that poses a problem.
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given2flym said:Chrrie said:jsilsby said:All that proves is botting and smpwallet/bar code spoofing is finding F2F very profitable. If TM isn’t going to figure out how to stop bar code spoofing, then it’s just time to blow up F2F as it currently exists and figure something else out.But the major issue, I think, is that Ticketmaster is clearly selling backend access for buying tickets to companies/brokers who are then able to easily beat real customers and circumvent fan to fan. While it’s not a direct kick back, they are benefiting from these licenses and sales. All while Ticketmaster and those select artists champion fan to fan face value ticketing which becomes less and less real.This also clearly didn’t exist in 2022, so it’s all fairly new. Sure looks like a way for Ticketmaster to monetize a portion of the market they had to keep their hands off of. In addition of the added benefit of making their own premium tickets look more scarce and more desirable.why can’t ten c tix appear in an exclusive fan club site on TM for resale for the first few days?But no, we are not allowed to ask, nor question our leaders.0
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EH14457 said:Re: enforcement by way of cancellations, it's good in theory... but all it would take is some chaos agent(s) listing a bunch of tickets they don't own and getting fans' tickets canceled. TM is clearly within their rights to cancel any tickets they want, but can you imagine if hundreds of users had their tickets canceled because some disgruntled broker just started listing tickets they don't even have on 3rd party marketplaces? As stupid as it sounds, it's not possible for TM to prove that ticket owners are responsible for listings on 3rd party sites... and that poses a problem.
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KJ228171 said:EH14457 said:Re: enforcement by way of cancellations, it's good in theory... but all it would take is some chaos agent(s) listing a bunch of tickets they don't own and getting fans' tickets canceled. TM is clearly within their rights to cancel any tickets they want, but can you imagine if hundreds of users had their tickets canceled because some disgruntled broker just started listing tickets they don't even have on 3rd party marketplaces? As stupid as it sounds, it's not possible for TM to prove that ticket owners are responsible for listings on 3rd party sites... and that poses a problem.
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Lerxst1992 said:why can’t ten c tix appear in an exclusive fan club site on TM for resale for the first few days?But no, we are not allowed to ask, nor question our leaders.
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How would the 2FA work if you are doing trades with other members? Or even selling your tickets if your plans change?2005: Ottawa / 2011: Ottawa / 2016: Ottawa / 2022: Ottawa / 2022:Quebec City / 2024: Vancouver / 2024: Vancouver / 2024: New York City0
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EH14457 said:Lerxst1992 said:why can’t ten c tix appear in an exclusive fan club site on TM for resale for the first few days?But no, we are not allowed to ask, nor question our leaders.0
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EH14457 said:KJ228171 said:EH14457 said:Re: enforcement by way of cancellations, it's good in theory... but all it would take is some chaos agent(s) listing a bunch of tickets they don't own and getting fans' tickets canceled. TM is clearly within their rights to cancel any tickets they want, but can you imagine if hundreds of users had their tickets canceled because some disgruntled broker just started listing tickets they don't even have on 3rd party marketplaces? As stupid as it sounds, it's not possible for TM to prove that ticket owners are responsible for listings on 3rd party sites... and that poses a problem.Agreed it will add friction and make the logistics a little harder but it would be for what a quarter maybe a third of the crowd. I don't know the percentage 10C gets per venue. It would probably be quicker that when Zack Bryant was checking the ticket buyer IDs a couple of years ago. That was an AXS tour not Ticketmaster.ally12 said:How would the 2FA work if you are doing trades with other members? Or even selling your tickets if your plans change?
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I think 2FA would cause too many problems that the venue doesn't want to deal with.I'd prefer a nuclear approach. Go back to 2018 and limit resales of tickets all together. As a 10c'er its sad how many tickets get discarded back onto fan2fan. It pushes everyone further back. 2018 you couldn't only transfer 1 ticket. You couldn't ditch pairs. It makes you really think. Am I going to use those tickets I put in for in the lottery?Either way fan2fan is now an epic fail. It's a way for scalper/bots to scrape face value tickets and make money :(0
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On the upside - F2F is an excellent way to build credit, earn rewards points, and get cashback.0
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Would be great if they sprinkled in a few Fan Club only shows again each tour at smaller venues. No tickets go to bots and place is packed with almost all die hards. Makes for a better show (i.e., crowd), likely a better user experience in trying to get tickets, and a better barter / trading market for the community in the months leading up to the show (which can be fun / rewarding). This whole thread would be people helping each other out and feeling good, versus just massive frustration with TM and attempts to help friends / fans being thwarted. Hard Rock could have been this but I get that it's a lot more work for 10 Club (who I still obviously really love / appreciate!), so clearly easier to outsource it from a resource perspective. At the end of the day, happy to be here, grateful for what we still have and 4/24 can't come soon enough!9/8/98 (NJ), 9/10/98 (NY), 8/23/00 (NY), 8/24/00 (NY), 8/25/00 (NY), 4/30/03 (NY), 7/8/03 (NY), 7/9/03 (NY), 5/12/06 (NY), 6/1/06 (NJ), 6/3/06 (NJ), 8/5/07 (IL), 6/22/08 (DC), 6/24/08 (NY), 6/25/08 (NY), 7/1/08 (NY), 10/4/09 (TX ), 10/30/09 (PA), 5/20/10 (NY), 5/21/10 (NY), 9/3/11 (WI), 9/4/11 (WI), 7/19/13 (IL), 10/18/13 (NY), 10/19/13 (NY), 10/3/14 (MO), 9/23/15 (NY), 9/26/15 (NY), 5/1/16 (NY), 5/2/16 (NY), 8/5/16 (MA), 8/22/16 (IL), 4/7/17 (NY), 6/18/18 (UK), 8/20/18 (IL), 9/2/18 (MA), 9/4/18 (MA), 9/18/21 (NJ), 9/26/21 (CA), 10/1/21 (CA), 10/2/21 (CA), 9/10/22 (NY), 9/11/22 (NY), 9/14/22 (NJ), 9/16/22 (TN), 9/22/22 (CO), 8/31/23 (MN), 9/2/23 (MN), 9/5/23 (IL), 9/7/23 (IL), 5/16/24 (NV), 5/18/24 (NV), 5/28/24 (WA), 5/30/24 (WA), 8/29/24 (IL), 8/31/24 (IL), 9/3/24 (NY), 9/4/24 (NY), 9/7/24 (PA), 9/12/24 (MD), 9/15/24 (MA), 9/17/24 (MA), 4/24/25 (FL), 4/26/25 (FL)0
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Which show was it recently that they released more 10c tickets and gave us a code to unlock? Was that 2 years ago?Appeared to be an animal, yet so polite.0
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runstaples said:Which show was it recently that they released more 10c tickets and gave us a code to unlock? Was that 2 years ago?
And one of the MSG years I think released a very small amount on a second lottery.Post edited by given2flym on0 -
Was the first leg last year. Most or all shows0
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danlee1095 said:Would be great if they sprinkled in a few Fan Club only shows again each tour at smaller venues. No tickets go to bots and place is packed with almost all die hards. Makes for a better show (i.e., crowd), likely a better user experience in trying to get tickets, and a better barter / trading market for the community in the months leading up to the show (which can be fun / rewarding). This whole thread would be people helping each other out and feeling good, versus just massive frustration with TM and attempts to help friends / fans being thwarted. Hard Rock could have been this but I get that it's a lot more work for 10 Club (who I still obviously really love / appreciate!), so clearly easier to outsource it from a resource perspective. At the end of the day, happy to be here, grateful for what we still have and 4/24 can't come soon enough!2005: Ottawa / 2011: Ottawa / 2016: Ottawa / 2022: Ottawa / 2022:Quebec City / 2024: Vancouver / 2024: Vancouver / 2024: New York City0
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runstaples said:Which show was it recently that they released more 10c tickets and gave us a code to unlock? Was that 2 years ago?0
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ally12 said:danlee1095 said:Would be great if they sprinkled in a few Fan Club only shows again each tour at smaller venues. No tickets go to bots and place is packed with almost all die hards. Makes for a better show (i.e., crowd), likely a better user experience in trying to get tickets, and a better barter / trading market for the community in the months leading up to the show (which can be fun / rewarding). This whole thread would be people helping each other out and feeling good, versus just massive frustration with TM and attempts to help friends / fans being thwarted. Hard Rock could have been this but I get that it's a lot more work for 10 Club (who I still obviously really love / appreciate!), so clearly easier to outsource it from a resource perspective. At the end of the day, happy to be here, grateful for what we still have and 4/24 can't come soon enough!
That is not the issue and I do not think fans would be angry at missing out on an intimate show. We all know how hard those tickets were to get. TM would make less money on a 10C only show, so they likely would not allow it to happen without a trade off. The band could make it happen, but have not done so in a long time. When TM is in charge of administering the tickets, the consumer gets screwed. It would not surprise me if TM is gobbling up any tickets posted on F2F before a real fan has a chance.0 -
runstaples said:Which show was it recently that they released more 10c tickets and gave us a code to unlock? Was that 2 years ago?
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KJ228171 said:runstaples said:Which show was it recently that they released more 10c tickets and gave us a code to unlock? Was that 2 years ago?0
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