I always wonder how many people bitching about the lottery flip merch and don't see a problem with that.
Haha, they are sensitive to that label. I agree, couldn’t get a show token to any of the shows I attended.
PJ merch guy said they didn’t anticipate how popular they’d be and didn’t order nearly enough to meet demand
The tokens? I figured, it’s a great icebreaker! It’s just annoying to see them online for a lot than they went for
Aren’t there easier ways to make a buck?
Oh for sure, but doesn’t stop people from selling their unopened extras. Thing is why people buying more than one if your not buying for a friend and their sole purpose is to sell it for double the price.
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So, what is the theory behind 0 tickets being available for nearly every show, but Raleigh 2 has had hundreds of face value seats listed for the past few days with no movement? About 4 days ago there were no face value available for Raleigh 2, but then out nowhere, a couple hundred got loaded at the same time and nobody is snagging them. Seems really odd.
Not really too odd. Ticketmaster is going to throttle the release of the tickets to maximize profit. I imagine that their internal metrics are showing that Raleigh 2 is not a huge demand show so they’re just dumping the tickets on the market to move them.
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So, what is the theory behind 0 tickets being available for nearly every show, but Raleigh 2 has had hundreds of face value seats listed for the past few days with no movement? About 4 days ago there were no face value available for Raleigh 2, but then out nowhere, a couple hundred got loaded at the same time and nobody is snagging them. Seems really odd.
The algorithm figured out the Tuesday show in Raleigh is probably going to be the least demand show, so they unloaded those uppers first. Sunday is a tougher ticket, they may be holding out on tickets for that show.
Pittsburgh uppers and side stage sold out within 30 minutes of sale time…I watched it happen in real time and I don’t think TM was playing games on that one. At least we know the side stage tickets won’t be dropping day of show. TM will drop rows of tickets for every show as we get closer. 99% chance they’re premiums with the occasional row of standards. Within 48 hours of each show TM will drop standards in the best sections, this has been practice since 2022.
My concern is that since the standard drops have become standard practice for the past 3 tours, that’s what everyone is hoping for and it could be a shit show the week of the show.
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So, what is the theory behind 0 tickets being available for nearly every show, but Raleigh 2 has had hundreds of face value seats listed for the past few days with no movement? About 4 days ago there were no face value available for Raleigh 2, but then out nowhere, a couple hundred got loaded at the same time and nobody is snagging them. Seems really odd.
if you look at the list, all those tickets are listed as ticket type Artist pre-sale. They were available up to the end of the pre-sale then TM removed them to make the public sale look more sold out and force people to by over priced premium. When sales stalled TM put them back, There were also many uppers for Nashville 1 when the pre-sale closes. Those Nash have not been put back. Remember last year how tight Vancouver shows were after the sales started. PJ page even listed the events as sold out. Then 3-4 weeks before the shows the whole back of the lower bowl dropped and many for N1 never sold. TM does this as manipulative practices. What will happen possibly is that those 200s will sell, then many 100s will pop up. TM gives you the impression that you can sell your tickets on F2F, if you buy 200s you will get stuck with them and have to decide to enjoy the show from your seat or buy another pair that are closer and your 200s wont sell. Basically getting 2x the money for seats. Just be patient... The way im seeing these shows, demand is not what it appears and tickets will not be hard, even decent lowers in the wings.
So, what is the theory behind 0 tickets being available for nearly every show, but Raleigh 2 has had hundreds of face value seats listed for the past few days with no movement? About 4 days ago there were no face value available for Raleigh 2, but then out nowhere, a couple hundred got loaded at the same time and nobody is snagging them. Seems really odd.
Not odd. Standard practice for Ticketmaster. They always hold back tickets. Some are production holds, or for local promotions or for the band/promoters. That’s not what’s happening for Raleigh N2.
What’s happening here is they are trying to create the illusion of demand to get people to buy the PJ premium or the extreme side view (which were available for a couple of weeks). They hold back hundreds (or thousands for stadiums) when the event it’s selling well. For people looking for tickets they want to give the illusion that there is limited availability and let FOMO kick in. Either they got rid of their targeted allotments or the event still has a bunch of tickets available. Might be both in this case. This was always going to be the least in demand show of this tour. Raleigh isn’t much of a draw to start off with like (Hollywood, or Nashville). It doesn’t have the metro area like Atlanta or the wider driving market like Pittsburgh. Throw in a Tuesday show and it’s not a surprise.
Thanks. I guess that makes sense. On another note, I see a trend on the Pittsburgh shows that may be a good sign for those looking to go. Stub hub pricing has gone down for both shows over the past few days. Since Friday the cheapest seats for N1 went from $432 to $314 and for N2 they went from $296 to $288. Pretty significant drop in 3 days, plus there are a lot more available. I honestly don't the demand for any of these shows (outside of Hollywood) is terribly high.
Thanks. I guess that makes sense. On another note, I see a trend on the Pittsburgh shows that may be a good sign for those looking to go. Stub hub pricing has gone down for both shows over the past few days. Since Friday the cheapest seats for N1 went from $432 to $314 and for N2 they went from $296 to $288. Pretty significant drop in 3 days, plus there are a lot more available. I honestly don't the demand for any of these shows (outside of Hollywood) is terribly high.
Lmao. Low demand? For Pittsburgh? That's hilarious. That show, and the rest of the tour, are pretty much sold out, save for a handful of Premium and standards TM is probably holding onto. Once those are released, those will sell too.
Demand for PJ has only increased, in part due to the band's decision to tour less. The only inkling of "low demand" in recent times was last year's Euro shows, and those still mostly sold.
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Low demand is not good for the band and for the prospect of more shows / legs.
Which is reason #483 why they should allocate a $hit ton more seats to 10c members. It would be fun to know if they tested out that theory and left it wide open to all 10c members, how many seats would be filled without general public being a part. It was beyond cool at the Vic Theater in Chicago years ago knowing the entire venue, albeit very small, was strictly 10c members.
Thanks. I guess that makes sense. On another note, I see a trend on the Pittsburgh shows that may be a good sign for those looking to go. Stub hub pricing has gone down for both shows over the past few days. Since Friday the cheapest seats for N1 went from $432 to $314 and for N2 they went from $296 to $288. Pretty significant drop in 3 days, plus there are a lot more available. I honestly don't the demand for any of these shows (outside of Hollywood) is terribly high.
Lmao. Low demand? For Pittsburgh? That's hilarious. That show, and the rest of the tour, are pretty much sold out, save for a handful of Premium and standards TM is probably holding onto. Once those are released, those will sell too.
Demand for PJ has only increased, in part due to the band's decision to tour less. The only inkling of "low demand" in recent times was last year's Euro shows, and those still mostly sold.
I wouldn't go as far to say the demand is low for Pittsburgh, but lets also not act like Pitt is some hotbed for entertainment. Plus the lowering of prices already in the secondary market is a sign of less demand than expected.
Also, the rest of the tour is not pretty much sold out. There are TONS face value tickets for Raleigh (which has nearly 200k more people in its population than Pitt) that are simply just sitting there. They have been listed for at least 3 days with no buyers and the number of tickets available has only increased. Which means, if they had the option, these would be listed for less than face value. AKA = low demand.
As several other posters pointed out, a lot of these prices and ticket availability seems like a simple tactic to give the impression that the demand is higher than it actually is, in order to drive up pricing as much as possible.
Low demand is not good for the band and for the prospect of more shows / legs.
Which is reason #483 why they should allocate a $hit ton more seats to 10c members. It would be fun to know if they tested out that theory and left it wide open to all 10c members, how many seats would be filled without general public being a part. It was beyond cool at the Vic Theater in Chicago years ago knowing the entire venue, albeit very small, was strictly 10c members.
Obviously I agree. In major markets they can fill a medium size venue with 10C members. Also there should be more restrictions on selling 10C tickets to nonmembers.
Thanks. I guess that makes sense. On another note, I see a trend on the Pittsburgh shows that may be a good sign for those looking to go. Stub hub pricing has gone down for both shows over the past few days. Since Friday the cheapest seats for N1 went from $432 to $314 and for N2 they went from $296 to $288. Pretty significant drop in 3 days, plus there are a lot more available. I honestly don't the demand for any of these shows (outside of Hollywood) is terribly high.
Lmao. Low demand? For Pittsburgh? That's hilarious. That show, and the rest of the tour, are pretty much sold out, save for a handful of Premium and standards TM is probably holding onto. Once those are released, those will sell too.
Demand for PJ has only increased, in part due to the band's decision to tour less. The only inkling of "low demand" in recent times was last year's Euro shows, and those still mostly sold.
I wouldn't go as far to say the demand is low for Pittsburgh, but lets also not act like Pitt is some hotbed for entertainment. Plus the lowering of prices already in the secondary market is a sign of less demand than expected.
Also, the rest of the tour is not pretty much sold out. There are TONS face value tickets for Raleigh (which has nearly 200k more people in its population than Pitt) that are simply just sitting there. They have been listed for at least 3 days with no buyers and the number of tickets available has only increased. Which means, if they had the option, these would be listed for less than face value. AKA = low demand.
As several other posters pointed out, a lot of these prices and ticket availability seems like a simple tactic to give the impression that the demand is higher than it actually is, in order to drive up pricing as much as possible.
Actually metro Pittsburgh has almost a million more people than metro Raleigh.
What do you think are my chances to get two tickets for Hollywood N1 if I’m in town that day? Will it still be difficult to get F2F?
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My concern is that since the standard drops have become standard practice for the past 3 tours, that’s what everyone is hoping for and it could be a shit show the week of the show.
Having said that: ISO Raleigh N2 GA
Noblesville, May 7, 2010
PJ20 Night 1, 2011
Cincinnati, Oct. 1, 2014
Milwaukee, Oct. 20, 2014
Wrigley Field, Aug 20, 2016
Wrigley Field, Aug 22, 2016
Wrigley Field, Aug 18, 2018
Wrigley Field, Aug 20, 2018
St. Louis, Sept. 18, 2022
Chicago, Sept. 5, 2023
Chicago, Sept. 7, 2023
Also, the rest of the tour is not pretty much sold out. There are TONS face value tickets for Raleigh (which has nearly 200k more people in its population than Pitt) that are simply just sitting there. They have been listed for at least 3 days with no buyers and the number of tickets available has only increased. Which means, if they had the option, these would be listed for less than face value. AKA = low demand.
As several other posters pointed out, a lot of these prices and ticket availability seems like a simple tactic to give the impression that the demand is higher than it actually is, in order to drive up pricing as much as possible.
2024: Wrigley 8/31, Fenway 9/17
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2024: Wrigley 8/31, Fenway 9/17
Also there should be more restrictions on selling 10C tickets to nonmembers.
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