They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.
I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either. The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.
It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.
I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app.
Barcodes are never visible until a few days before the show. And afaik, the reverse engineered barcodes are the only way the resellers have to make these tickets available to buyers short of transferring whole accounts. If the tickets are NFC-only, it's going to cause absolute chaos for resellers and their buyers. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing long-term, but it really is unfortunate when uninformed people who don't pay close attention to things like F2F and non-transferable tickets pay a big markup on a secondary market and then still are denied access and in some instances can't get their money back. They're victims too. All that said, I don't think NFC-capable phones are ubiquitous enough yet that it's a viable solution for 100% of the population. I suspect barcodes have to exist (at least for a few more hardware cycles) because people shouldn't need to buy phones with the latest technology in order to attend an event.
I know barcodes are only released 72 hours before the show but it would be something if this message never goes away and the only way to use a ticket for normal people is from a mobile wallet which will only activate tickets tied to the Apple ID email address. Would effectively kill account sharing but conveniently the website barcodes that scalpers use would still work
If the mobile barcode approach that scalpers use still works for them, then it would also work for account sharing for normal folks. Basically, they need TM to render a barcode in a web-based view in order to get the data that they use for the barcode generation. If scalpers can still recreate barcodes, it means that a normal person can also sign into TM web and see a barcode in their mobile browser... which would mean that account sharing still works.
I do kind of think there should be a different thread for this (F2F is Open was kind of it but got shut down). I'd love to discuss all the ways Ticketmaster is failing to effectively protect fans from getting taken advantage of with this system. I just think most people subscribed to this thread want to discuss opportunities to actually get tickets. I'm guilty of derailing us too though. Just can't help myself.
My tickets in the Ticketmaster web browser say to use the app, and the app says add to mobile wallet to use. Maybe I am paranoid but it wouldn’t shock me in the least if Ticketmaster closed the loophole for regular people to share tickets but not close it for brokers who share tickets by using the api data to see the components of the barcode they need to host the tickets on their own websites.
There are way too many people out there with apple wallets that are not linked to their TM account. It would be a huge mess if they did this.
Yep, my partner being one. His mobile wallet won’t activate his own tickets.
I hope it just says this now. I guess SHZA has a barcode so maybe it’s just me.
They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.
I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either. The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.
It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.
I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app.
That number is only part of what is needed for the hack, though. I dont see it in my app at all, but I'm on iPhone - are you using Android?
I'm on iPhone and I have both moving barcodes and barcode numbers in the app for both FL shows, Raleigh 2, and Pitt 1.
That's interesting. I have a fan-2-fan ticket that I bought but it shows no barcode number in the ticket details and no barcode on the front either.
They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.
I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either. The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.
It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.
I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app.
That number is only part of what is needed for the hack, though. I dont see it in my app at all, but I'm on iPhone - are you using Android?
I'm on iPhone and I have both moving barcodes and barcode numbers in the app for both FL shows, Raleigh 2, and Pitt 1.
That's interesting. I have a fan-2-fan ticket that I bought but it shows no barcode number in the ticket details and no barcode on the front either.
They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.
I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either. The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.
It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.
I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app.
That number is only part of what is needed for the hack, though. I dont see it in my app at all, but I'm on iPhone - are you using Android?
I'm on iPhone and I have both moving barcodes and barcode numbers in the app for both FL shows, Raleigh 2, and Pitt 1.
That's interesting. I have a fan-2-fan ticket that I bought but it shows no barcode number in the ticket details and no barcode on the front either.
Which show? Could vary be venue I'd think
FLA1. Perhaps because it was Fan2Fan (from TM site) and I wasn't the first owner of the ticket.
They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.
I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either. The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.
It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.
I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app.
That number is only part of what is needed for the hack, though. I dont see it in my app at all, but I'm on iPhone - are you using Android?
I'm on iPhone and I have both moving barcodes and barcode numbers in the app for both FL shows, Raleigh 2, and Pitt 1.
That's interesting. I have a fan-2-fan ticket that I bought but it shows no barcode number in the ticket details and no barcode on the front either.
Which show? Could vary be venue I'd think
My Raleigh 2 says add to wallet. No bar code.
As does Atlanta and Nashville.
My Atlanta and Nashville have barcodes in the app. I just have to hit ticket details and the ticket comes up with the barcode.
I dont think the tickets are actually lingering and still availble. My theory is that they are bought pretty quickly by bots or fast fingers, but TM leaves them visible until some sort of backend verification that the transaction was 100% completed is confirmed and that verificatin process may be taking longer in some cases. Which would also explain why they sometime get purchased after considerable time - something went wrong with the original transaction.
I dont think the tickets are actually lingering and still availble. My theory is that they are bought pretty quickly by bots or fast fingers, but TM leaves them visible until some sort of backend verification that the transaction was 100% completed is confirmed and that verificatin process may be taking longer in some cases. Which would also explain why they sometime get purchased after considerable time - something went wrong with the original transaction.
I tried to sell a ticket the other day. The person I was selling to got a No Longer Available message. This went on for an hour with no indication on my end that they had been sold. So, I canceled the sale after an hour or so and the tickets went back into my account - meaning they never sold, even though it was giving a No Available Message to someone trying to buy it.
I dont think the tickets are actually lingering and still availble. My theory is that they are bought pretty quickly by bots or fast fingers, but TM leaves them visible until some sort of backend verification that the transaction was 100% completed is confirmed and that verificatin process may be taking longer in some cases. Which would also explain why they sometime get purchased after considerable time - something went wrong with the original transaction.
There may also be a verification on the front end before they can be sold. Or ticketmaster is up to its usual tricks trying to drive traffic to the site in the hopes that frustrated consumers will buy the more expensive tickets.
If things are working smoothly and normally, they should give you a slight edge over a fast reloading bot (or human with great timing), but that rarely seems to be the case.
They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.
I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either. The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.
It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.
I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app.
That number is only part of what is needed for the hack, though. I dont see it in my app at all, but I'm on iPhone - are you using Android?
I'm on iPhone and I have both moving barcodes and barcode numbers in the app for both FL shows, Raleigh 2, and Pitt 1.
Likewise.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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They should just address the root cause. If their barcodes couldn't be replicated so easily, and these tickets couldn't actually be sold via various marketplaces, they wouldn't need so many bot countermeasures on F2F. The ability to transfer a whole account was always an option, but the number of resellers actually bothering with that relative to what we see now was miniscule. It wasn't worth their trouble enough to automate ticket purchases. TM is just chasing their tails at this point.
I don't think they are using the barcode hack. There is no barcode number that is visible for these PJ tickets - not on website, not in the app, and not even if you transfer it over to your phone's wallet (iphone), not by snooping the traffic in the browser, either. The specific token and code(s) needed for the hack that was published seems to been changed by TM.
It may still work for tickets that have the barcode that is visible (with or without the moving bar gimick), but not sure it works with these.
I see a barcode number under ticket details in the app.
Barcodes are never visible until a few days before the show. And afaik, the reverse engineered barcodes are the only way the resellers have to make these tickets available to buyers short of transferring whole accounts. If the tickets are NFC-only, it's going to cause absolute chaos for resellers and their buyers. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing long-term, but it really is unfortunate when uninformed people who don't pay close attention to things like F2F and non-transferable tickets pay a big markup on a secondary market and then still are denied access and in some instances can't get their money back. They're victims too. All that said, I don't think NFC-capable phones are ubiquitous enough yet that it's a viable solution for 100% of the population. I suspect barcodes have to exist (at least for a few more hardware cycles) because people shouldn't need to buy phones with the latest technology in order to attend an event.
I know barcodes are only released 72 hours before the show but it would be something if this message never goes away and the only way to use a ticket for normal people is from a mobile wallet which will only activate tickets tied to the Apple ID email address. Would effectively kill account sharing but conveniently the website barcodes that scalpers use would still work
If the mobile barcode approach that scalpers use still works for them, then it would also work for account sharing for normal folks. Basically, they need TM to render a barcode in a web-based view in order to get the data that they use for the barcode generation. If scalpers can still recreate barcodes, it means that a normal person can also sign into TM web and see a barcode in their mobile browser... which would mean that account sharing still works.
I do kind of think there should be a different thread for this (F2F is Open was kind of it but got shut down). I'd love to discuss all the ways Ticketmaster is failing to effectively protect fans from getting taken advantage of with this system. I just think most people subscribed to this thread want to discuss opportunities to actually get tickets. I'm guilty of derailing us too though. Just can't help myself.
My tickets in the Ticketmaster web browser say to use the app, and the app says add to mobile wallet to use. Maybe I am paranoid but it wouldn’t shock me in the least if Ticketmaster closed the loophole for regular people to share tickets but not close it for brokers who share tickets by using the api data to see the components of the barcode they need to host the tickets on their own websites.
There are way too many people out there with apple wallets that are not linked to their TM account. It would be a huge mess if they did this.
The ticket is associated with the email linked to the ticketmaster account where it populated after the lottery. Since the wallet ID has to match the same email the ticket won’t add to the wallet if it’s associated with another account. Always been the case.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Atlanta 2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
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FLA1. Perhaps because it was Fan2Fan (from TM site) and I wasn't the first owner of the ticket.
are we only able to cart with no tangible progress... ?
There may also be a verification on the front end before they can be sold. Or ticketmaster is up to its usual tricks trying to drive traffic to the site in the hopes that frustrated consumers will buy the more expensive tickets.
If things are working smoothly and normally, they should give you a slight edge over a fast reloading bot (or human with great timing), but that rarely seems to be the case.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Atlanta 2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Atlanta 2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2