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Lose the screens; play to the back

psubsb12psubsb12 Posts: 53
edited September 10 in Given To Fly (live)
IMO, I'd get rid of the screens, let an additional 2-3k people attend each Pearl Jam, add that energy, and play to the back like they always do.

I suspect this is just practice for Sphere, and maybe it's because I saw shows at Sphere that small screens do nothing for me and I find them to be a distraction, but I don't love the current format. Yes, they are cool at times, but overall, I don't love them.
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  • AlaGAlaG Posts: 976
    They'll need to reduce ticket prices first or change their resale rules because almost none of these shows are selling out the seats that are available, but I do agree generally.
  • psubsb12psubsb12 Posts: 53
    Yeah, I believe the price increases are to make up for the loss of seats not sold, which kinda sucks for the fans.
  • AlaGAlaG Posts: 976
    It's nice to bring a visual element to the newer songs so folks who are less familiar with them get a little something extra but there are more interesting ways to do that than what they're doing currently that could also expose the back of the stage. From up close the video board looks incredibly low resolution too ... It did more for me when I was further back at MSG than when I was in GA.
  • droptheleash9droptheleash9 Posts: 1,435
    AlaG said:
    It's nice to bring a visual element to the newer songs so folks who are less familiar with them get a little something extra but there are more interesting ways to do that than what they're doing currently that could also expose the back of the stage. From up close the video board looks incredibly low resolution too ... It did more for me when I was further back at MSG than when I was in GA.
    Second this. Noticed the same thing when I was in seats at MSG vs in the pit in Vegas.
  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Posts: 3,394
    edited September 10
    Yes please!! If they want to keep some sort of screen, may I suggest the Billy Joel set up! 
    No seats sacrificed!
    DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 5,692
    The seats will sell, if they're priced accordingly. It makes no sense to sell 200's & 300's for the same price as floor & 100's seats.

    L.A. Forum wasn't a sell out this year, or in '22 (but it COULD have been).
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

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  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 5,692
    OceansJenny said:
    Yes please!! If they want to keep some sort of screen, may I suggest the Billy Joel set up! 
    No seats sacrificed!
    ☝️This!
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • psubsb12psubsb12 Posts: 53
    Go Animal said:
    The seats will sell, if they're priced accordingly. It makes no sense to sell 200's & 300's for the same price as floor & 100's seats.

    L.A. Forum wasn't a sell out this year, or in '22 (but it COULD have been).
    Nothing wrong with doing tiered prices. They should. Floor shouldn't be the same as nosebleeds.
    But also $193 face value is crazy high, and likely why some of these didn't sell out. Most PJ shows sell out.
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,175
    I wasn’t impressed with the screens.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • psubsb12psubsb12 Posts: 53
    It has to be practice for a Sphere run, yes?
    Can't even begin to imagine aftermarket prices for PJ at Sphere...
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,175
    psubsb12 said:
    It has to be practice for a Sphere run, yes?
    Can't even begin to imagine aftermarket prices for PJ at Sphere...
    sphere, then superbowl halftime and the sellout will be complete!
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
  • spankyMPspankyMP Posts: 1,854
    edited September 10
    I’m fine with losing the screens, but if it is a dry run for the sphere, I am all for it.
    Randall's Island 9/29/96, Continental Arena 9/8/98, MSG 9/10/98, Jones Beach 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 8/25/00, Nassau Coliseum 4/30/03, MSG 7/8/03, 7/9/03, Continental Arena 6/1/06, 6/3/06, MSG 6/24/08, 6/25/08, Spectrum 10/30/09, 10/31/09, MSG 5/20/10, 5/21/10, PJ20 9/3/11, 9/4/11, Charlottesville 10/29/13, Charlotte 10/30/13, Global Citizen 9/26/15, Raleigh 4/20/16 :( Baltimore 3/28/20 :( Austin 9/18/23, 9/19/23, Forum 5/21/24, Baltimore 9/12/24, Fenway 9/17/24
  • psubsb12psubsb12 Posts: 53
    spankyMP said:
    I’m fine with losing the screens, but if it is a dry run for the sphere, I am all for it.
    Especially because if they play Sphere, there won't be a dry pair of pants in the building. 
  • spankyMPspankyMP Posts: 1,854
    🤣
    Randall's Island 9/29/96, Continental Arena 9/8/98, MSG 9/10/98, Jones Beach 8/23/00, 8/24/00, 8/25/00, Nassau Coliseum 4/30/03, MSG 7/8/03, 7/9/03, Continental Arena 6/1/06, 6/3/06, MSG 6/24/08, 6/25/08, Spectrum 10/30/09, 10/31/09, MSG 5/20/10, 5/21/10, PJ20 9/3/11, 9/4/11, Charlottesville 10/29/13, Charlotte 10/30/13, Global Citizen 9/26/15, Raleigh 4/20/16 :( Baltimore 3/28/20 :( Austin 9/18/23, 9/19/23, Forum 5/21/24, Baltimore 9/12/24, Fenway 9/17/24
  • mr bunglemr bungle Posts: 1,345
    psubsb12 said:
    It has to be practice for a Sphere run, yes?
    Can't even begin to imagine aftermarket prices for PJ at Sphere...
    I agree with this 100%.  No coincidence after 33 years that they all of a sudden decided to experiment with screens without an agenda?  definately testing out imagery, while also warming us hard core fans up to a new concept. 



  • CO278952CO278952 Posts: 1,352
    edited September 11
    looking forward to the backlit screens at Fenway since I think they will look excellent and have vastly superior video quality compared to the washed out projection setup used for the arenas. 
    Post edited by CO278952 on
    4.17.94 Paramount 9.28.96 Randall's Island 8.25.00 Jones Beach 4.28.03 Spectrum 7.5.03 Camden 7.6.03 Camden 07.08.03 MSG 07.09.03 MSG 7.12.03 Hershey 7.14.03 Holmdel 6.12.08 Tampa 10.19.13 Brooklyn 4.11.16 Tampa 5.1.16 MSG 5.2.16 MSG 8.7.16 Fenway 9.2.18 Fenway 9.4.18 Fenway 9.11.22 MSG 9.16.22 Nashville 9.18.23 Austin 9.19.23 Austin 9.3.24 MSG 9.4.24 MSG Fenway 9.15.24 Fenway 9.17.24
  • cwjacwja Posts: 139
    Last Kiss has largely disappeared from the sets. Mostly because they don’t need something simple to “play for the back”. For that reason I say keep the screens.
  • Abe FromanAbe Froman Posts: 5,281
    The screens did nothing for me. 
  • 1STmammal2wearPants1STmammal2wearPants Posts: 2,938
    I dig the screens. I've never seen a visual element like that in 21 years of going to their live shows, but to each their own :) I don't think it needs to be a permanent fixture in their touring, though.
    2003 Mansfield III 
    2004 Boston I 
    2006 Boston I 
    2008 Bonnaroo, Hartford, Mansfield I 
    2010 Hartford 
    2013 Worcester I, Worcester II, Hartford 
    2016 Bonnaroo, Fenway I, Fenway II 
    2018 Fenway I, Fenway II 
    2021 Sea.Hear.Now
    2022 Camden
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  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,435
    The screens added nothing to the show for me on an enjoyment level. If anything it has taken away my enjoyment of the shows with a lot of songs being forced to be in the same spots or close to it. 

    The last couple of shows seem to be mixing it up more and hopefully Fenway really has it where any song can be played at any time. 
  • Go AnimalGo Animal Posts: 5,692
    In defense of the screens:

    - DTE with the original music video packs some punch...

    And against:

    but the Spawn video sucks. Also, it tends to get played twice. Time for a rest.

    Pro:

    Given to Fly was apparently amazing in Missoula

    Con:

    The unlimited hallway effect at the end of the show can distract from the actual stage.

    Pro: 

    They're trying something new.

    Con:

    Some of my favorite shows have been from the rear. SUPER close to the band too.

    🤷‍♂️

    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
  • KN219077KN219077 Posts: 1,116
    Screens are awesome, Given To Fly in Missoula was an amazing opening with the drone footage. I’m good with small venues being screenless though because it’s easier to the band.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w3M0cCBikTA&pp=ygUScGVhcmwgamFtIG1pc3NvdWxh

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