*** SEATTLE 2 - 2024 SETLIST THREAD ***

curmudgeoness

GhostChile said:

TahoeJeff said:

KS245363 said:

ekwipt said:

PJNB said:

Weston1283 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Seattle used to be a special show. Maybe that's why they don't play their much anymore. Expectations are sky high since 2000. They didn't even get extra songs. Nail in the coffin on an era of special shows. 2000 to 2018 may you RIP. Was holding out hope Seattle would see something legendary again like the home shows (even if shorter).

Seems like a solid set, just Seattle expectations were for that little extra umph.

I would argue that Seattle in 2013, 2018 and 2024 aren't even in the contest for best setlist of that respective year.  (Again, purely talking about setlist, doesnt account for crowd, vibes etc.)

I think there is this expectation about Seattle shows that people have, which I have not really understood, since they haven't done anything "special" in Seattle since I have been following for 15 years or so.  

The only city that seems to get special treatment is Philly/Camden.  That city consistently gets special shows or has arguably the best setlist of the tour.  

Seattle N2 2018 absolutely is in the talks with best set of that tour. 

Not even a conversation imo. King that one. 

Yeah, I was at N2 2018 and last night. That 2018 show was up there with the best concerts I've seen in my life from any band. It's by far my favorite PJ show. Will admit I went in last night hoping for something similar, but like others have said it was more of a standard show. But I do think there's something pretty amazing and different in the vibe due to the local connection. Like when the guys were all talking about their day jobs around Seattle before PJ took off, and how Jeff used to live like 100 yards away from the venue. There's deep history here obviously, and that seemed to come through from the crowd and the band. There were some really special moments last night and it was a super solid show but comparing it to N2 of the Home Shows isn't really giving it a fair shake. 

Yeah, when Ed was talking about the old jobs they used to work, I was like “I know those places”. I didn’t know that Mike used to work at Piecoras. I used to go there for pizza years ago. Good spot. Or like when Ed was talking about how they are out there driving around in the cars next to you. It’s like, oh yeah. 

We were next to Eddies family last night and when Ed said" maybe we cross with each other by driving our kids to school", Jill laughed and said to her daughter " yeah, like he drove you to school Lol"

I think she also gave him shit at Ohana one year when he mentioned going to the grocery store; she was side stage wondering when Ed had gone grocery shopping. 🤣

curmudgeoness

So I saw seven shows on this leg and I thought they all were great. Yes, even with lots of DM — my only quibble there is that they virtually ignored Got to Give!

They sound great, they have a ton of energy, and most of all they seem genuinely excited to be out playing for us. I’m exhausted and now camped in a hospital waiting room on two hours of sleep and I have zero regrets.

Also: Seattle 2 2018 was, I’d argue, one of the best rock concerts ever — period. I’m still recovering from that one.

ekwipt

KS245363 said:

ekwipt said:

PJNB said:

Weston1283 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Seattle used to be a special show. Maybe that's why they don't play their much anymore. Expectations are sky high since 2000. They didn't even get extra songs. Nail in the coffin on an era of special shows. 2000 to 2018 may you RIP. Was holding out hope Seattle would see something legendary again like the home shows (even if shorter).

Seems like a solid set, just Seattle expectations were for that little extra umph.

I would argue that Seattle in 2013, 2018 and 2024 aren't even in the contest for best setlist of that respective year.  (Again, purely talking about setlist, doesnt account for crowd, vibes etc.)

I think there is this expectation about Seattle shows that people have, which I have not really understood, since they haven't done anything "special" in Seattle since I have been following for 15 years or so.  

The only city that seems to get special treatment is Philly/Camden.  That city consistently gets special shows or has arguably the best setlist of the tour.  

Seattle N2 2018 absolutely is in the talks with best set of that tour. 

Not even a conversation imo. King that one. 

Yeah, I was at N2 2018 and last night. That 2018 show was up there with the best concerts I've seen in my life from any band. It's by far my favorite PJ show. Will admit I went in last night hoping for something similar, but like others have said it was more of a standard show. But I do think there's something pretty amazing and different in the vibe due to the local connection. Like when the guys were all talking about their day jobs around Seattle before PJ took off, and how Jeff used to live like 100 yards away from the venue. There's deep history here obviously, and that seemed to come through from the crowd and the band. There were some really special moments last night and it was a super solid show but comparing it to N2 of the Home Shows isn't really giving it a fair shake. 

100%. Two totally different animals. I don’t really expect I’ll ever see a better show than Sea N2 2018 for the rest of my life. 

ekwipt

BF25394 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Seattle used to be a special show. Maybe that's why they don't play their much anymore. Expectations are sky high since 2000. They didn't even get extra songs. Nail in the coffin on an era of special shows. 2000 to 2018 may you RIP. Was holding out hope Seattle would see something legendary again like the home shows (even if shorter).

Seems like a solid set, just Seattle expectations were for that little extra umph.

I just saw this band ten times in 27 days. It was special all the way through. If you have lost perspective on that-- and especially if you're declaring that a show last night that you apparently didn't even attend wasn't special-- you need a reality check. On paper, last night's set list would not have stood out to me, but I can tell you that it was pretty awesome being there. For example, when I see "Rockin' in the Free World" on a set list, I imagine a routine performance of a song I've seen dozens of times. But that's not what I saw last night. Last night, I saw Stone killing it on his solo, I saw Jessica and Patti from Deep Sea Diver belting it out as they traded lines in the second verse, and Patti bouncing across that stage radiating energy from the first note to the final one. I saw Matt playing the tambourine like a damned fool while giving up his kit to DSD's drummer, all while Josh was banging away on his kit like a madman. It was freaking awesome, and if you told me before these shows that "RITFW" would be played a few times, I would have thought, "I'd prefer not." I would have been wrong.

Patti was awesome during RITFW! I found it hard to watch the rest of the stage cuz she was putting so much energy out there. 

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jimjam1982 said:

Seattle used to be a special show. Maybe that's why they don't play their much anymore. Expectations are sky high since 2000. They didn't even get extra songs. Nail in the coffin on an era of special shows. 2000 to 2018 may you RIP. Was holding out hope Seattle would see something legendary again like the home shows (even if shorter).

Seems like a solid set, just Seattle expectations were for that little extra umph.

For the record, the 2000 shows were generally 2-2.5 hours long. Most closer to 2 hours and a large batch of songs that were played at most shows. 

On another note, I’ve seen 23 Pearl Jam shows, and the longest one, which was over 3.5 hours, was easily in the bottom 5, maybe even bottom 2 of shows I’ve attended. Halloween at the Spectrum is the show I’m referring to. Longer isn’t always better, just like deep cuts aren’t always better.

Also, while they didn’t get more songs, the show last night was in fact the longest of the tour to this point. 

pjl44

Gern Blansten said:

It seems like fanboy privilege to bitch about the repeats and the "order" of them and somehow being disappointed.

Stay fucking home if you can't take it. Go to one show.  

I mean yeah. That's what we're saying. Or at least that's what I'm saying.

pjl44

BF25394 said:

Bruce Springsteen repeated 23 songs on the second night of his recent two-night stand in L.A. (out of 31). I don't think Pearl Jam needs to apologize for having nine repeats (out of 25), with eight of them being brand-new songs that no one had ever seen live as of four weeks ago.

This is like if Pearl Jam played a full set of covers and I came in proclaiming "well Me First and The Gimme Gimmes do that!"

pjl44

Zen23 said:

Gern Blansten said:

It seems like fanboy privilege to bitch about the repeats and the "order" of them and somehow being disappointed.

Stay fucking home if you can't take it. Go to one show.  

So I have - as far as I can look at it objectively and calmly - expressed an opinion. The bitching in this case - how could it be otherwise - once again comes from those who accuse others of bitching. Strong language, accusations and orders to individuals are the typical behavior patterns of bitchers in the wild. Yep, that fits. I'd say we've got a direct hit.

I have learned that nothing will get someone to yell fuck at you faster than voicing displeasure at the current state of setlist structure

ekwipt

After seeing Wreckage performed the first 2 nights of the leg and again last night it still seems like that’s the 1 new one that isn’t connecting well with the crowd. 1/2 the diehards are into it but 1/2 aren’t and the normies seem really tuned out when it’s played. If that one could get good radio support I think the casual fans would really start to enjoy it and it would completely change the live experience of it. 

curmudgeoness

ekwipt said:

After seeing Wreckage performed the first 2 nights of the leg and again last night it still seems like that’s the 1 new one that isn’t connecting well with the crowd. 1/2 the diehards are into it but 1/2 aren’t and the normies seem really tuned out when it’s played. If that one could get good radio support I think the casual fans would really start to enjoy it and it would completely change the live experience of it. 

It’s a very good, very catchy “adult contemporary” song. I don’t want to like it as much as I do, but it keeps burrowing into my brain. I agree that radio support (is that still a thing — radio?) should make this song very popular.

cblock4life

TahoeJeff said:

I remember reading an interview with Stone before the tour, and he specifically said that they would be playing a lot off of Dark Matter this tour
and to be ready for it. 

Yep, and Jeff said things were changing.  I’m baffled that fans missed these clear verbal statements.  Talk of change had been going on for at least 3 years.  

bootleg

I think some of the expectations are built too high based on previous experiences.  Usually Seattle gets something a little extra, and usually the final shows of the leg get something a little extra so of course you start to hope for one of those all time epic shows. And while I don’t there was anything that pushed the shows into epic territory the shows were still good, the band sounded great and seemed to be enjoying themselves, and the crowds seemed to be into both the old and new material.  Normally I would hope for less hits, less Ten and more rarities, but with this being the first time seeing them in Seattle and after driving around and seeing the places where they first rehearsed, or played their first show etc it was kind of special hearing those songs in the place where they were born. 

BF25394

curmudgeoness said:

ekwipt said:

After seeing Wreckage performed the first 2 nights of the leg and again last night it still seems like that’s the 1 new one that isn’t connecting well with the crowd. 1/2 the diehards are into it but 1/2 aren’t and the normies seem really tuned out when it’s played. If that one could get good radio support I think the casual fans would really start to enjoy it and it would completely change the live experience of it. 

It’s a very good, very catchy “adult contemporary” song. I don’t want to like it as much as I do, but it keeps burrowing into my brain. I agree that radio support (is that still a thing — radio?) should make this song very popular.

Adult Album Alternative more than Adult Contemporary. I don't think many AC stations are playing it, but lots of Triple-A stations are.

BF25394

pjl44 said:

BF25394 said:

Bruce Springsteen repeated 23 songs on the second night of his recent two-night stand in L.A. (out of 31). I don't think Pearl Jam needs to apologize for having nine repeats (out of 25), with eight of them being brand-new songs that no one had ever seen live as of four weeks ago.

This is like if Pearl Jam played a full set of covers and I came in proclaiming "well Me First and The Gimme Gimmes do that!"

I think we agree on this subject, but I need your analogy explained to me.

BF25394

ekwipt said:

BF25394 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Seattle used to be a special show. Maybe that's why they don't play their much anymore. Expectations are sky high since 2000. They didn't even get extra songs. Nail in the coffin on an era of special shows. 2000 to 2018 may you RIP. Was holding out hope Seattle would see something legendary again like the home shows (even if shorter).

Seems like a solid set, just Seattle expectations were for that little extra umph.

I just saw this band ten times in 27 days. It was special all the way through. If you have lost perspective on that-- and especially if you're declaring that a show last night that you apparently didn't even attend wasn't special-- you need a reality check. On paper, last night's set list would not have stood out to me, but I can tell you that it was pretty awesome being there. For example, when I see "Rockin' in the Free World" on a set list, I imagine a routine performance of a song I've seen dozens of times. But that's not what I saw last night. Last night, I saw Stone killing it on his solo, I saw Jessica and Patti from Deep Sea Diver belting it out as they traded lines in the second verse, and Patti bouncing across that stage radiating energy from the first note to the final one. I saw Matt playing the tambourine like a damned fool while giving up his kit to DSD's drummer, all while Josh was banging away on his kit like a madman. It was freaking awesome, and if you told me before these shows that "RITFW" would be played a few times, I would have thought, "I'd prefer not." I would have been wrong.

Patti was awesome during RITFW! I found it hard to watch the rest of the stage cuz she was putting so much energy out there. 

She was having so much fun that you couldn't help but have fun watching her.

ekwipt

curmudgeoness said:

GhostChile said:

TahoeJeff said:

KS245363 said:

ekwipt said:

PJNB said:

Weston1283 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Seattle used to be a special show. Maybe that's why they don't play their much anymore. Expectations are sky high since 2000. They didn't even get extra songs. Nail in the coffin on an era of special shows. 2000 to 2018 may you RIP. Was holding out hope Seattle would see something legendary again like the home shows (even if shorter).

Seems like a solid set, just Seattle expectations were for that little extra umph.

I would argue that Seattle in 2013, 2018 and 2024 aren't even in the contest for best setlist of that respective year.  (Again, purely talking about setlist, doesnt account for crowd, vibes etc.)

I think there is this expectation about Seattle shows that people have, which I have not really understood, since they haven't done anything "special" in Seattle since I have been following for 15 years or so.  

The only city that seems to get special treatment is Philly/Camden.  That city consistently gets special shows or has arguably the best setlist of the tour.  

Seattle N2 2018 absolutely is in the talks with best set of that tour. 

Not even a conversation imo. King that one. 

Yeah, I was at N2 2018 and last night. That 2018 show was up there with the best concerts I've seen in my life from any band. It's by far my favorite PJ show. Will admit I went in last night hoping for something similar, but like others have said it was more of a standard show. But I do think there's something pretty amazing and different in the vibe due to the local connection. Like when the guys were all talking about their day jobs around Seattle before PJ took off, and how Jeff used to live like 100 yards away from the venue. There's deep history here obviously, and that seemed to come through from the crowd and the band. There were some really special moments last night and it was a super solid show but comparing it to N2 of the Home Shows isn't really giving it a fair shake. 

Yeah, when Ed was talking about the old jobs they used to work, I was like “I know those places”. I didn’t know that Mike used to work at Piecoras. I used to go there for pizza years ago. Good spot. Or like when Ed was talking about how they are out there driving around in the cars next to you. It’s like, oh yeah. 

We were next to Eddies family last night and when Ed said" maybe we cross with each other by driving our kids to school", Jill laughed and said to her daughter " yeah, like he drove you to school Lol"

I think she also gave him shit at Ohana one year when he mentioned going to the grocery store; she was side stage wondering when Ed had gone grocery shopping. 🤣

😂 To be fair I think Ed is way too famous to casually go to the store often in most parts of the world. He’s “attract the crazies” famous. I can’t imagine what it’s like trying to pick out some produce at a grocery store and have to worry about people grabbing at you and breaking down into an emotional mess at the mere sight of you. 

South of Seattle

ekwipt said:

curmudgeoness said:

GhostChile said:

TahoeJeff said:

KS245363 said:

ekwipt said:

PJNB said:

Weston1283 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Seattle used to be a special show. Maybe that's why they don't play their much anymore. Expectations are sky high since 2000. They didn't even get extra songs. Nail in the coffin on an era of special shows. 2000 to 2018 may you RIP. Was holding out hope Seattle would see something legendary again like the home shows (even if shorter).

Seems like a solid set, just Seattle expectations were for that little extra umph.

I would argue that Seattle in 2013, 2018 and 2024 aren't even in the contest for best setlist of that respective year.  (Again, purely talking about setlist, doesnt account for crowd, vibes etc.)

I think there is this expectation about Seattle shows that people have, which I have not really understood, since they haven't done anything "special" in Seattle since I have been following for 15 years or so.  

The only city that seems to get special treatment is Philly/Camden.  That city consistently gets special shows or has arguably the best setlist of the tour.  

Seattle N2 2018 absolutely is in the talks with best set of that tour. 

Not even a conversation imo. King that one. 

Yeah, I was at N2 2018 and last night. That 2018 show was up there with the best concerts I've seen in my life from any band. It's by far my favorite PJ show. Will admit I went in last night hoping for something similar, but like others have said it was more of a standard show. But I do think there's something pretty amazing and different in the vibe due to the local connection. Like when the guys were all talking about their day jobs around Seattle before PJ took off, and how Jeff used to live like 100 yards away from the venue. There's deep history here obviously, and that seemed to come through from the crowd and the band. There were some really special moments last night and it was a super solid show but comparing it to N2 of the Home Shows isn't really giving it a fair shake. 

Yeah, when Ed was talking about the old jobs they used to work, I was like “I know those places”. I didn’t know that Mike used to work at Piecoras. I used to go there for pizza years ago. Good spot. Or like when Ed was talking about how they are out there driving around in the cars next to you. It’s like, oh yeah. 

We were next to Eddies family last night and when Ed said" maybe we cross with each other by driving our kids to school", Jill laughed and said to her daughter " yeah, like he drove you to school Lol"

I think she also gave him shit at Ohana one year when he mentioned going to the grocery store; she was side stage wondering when Ed had gone grocery shopping. 🤣

😂 To be fair I think Ed is way too famous to casually go to the store often in most parts of the world. He’s “attract the crazies” famous. I can’t imagine what it’s like trying to pick out some produce at a grocery store and have to worry about people grabbing at you and breaking down into an emotional mess at the mere sight of you. 

He's definitely at regular stores and businesses.  See him and the fam around quite a bit actually!

pjl44

BF25394 said:

pjl44 said:

BF25394 said:

Bruce Springsteen repeated 23 songs on the second night of his recent two-night stand in L.A. (out of 31). I don't think Pearl Jam needs to apologize for having nine repeats (out of 25), with eight of them being brand-new songs that no one had ever seen live as of four weeks ago.

This is like if Pearl Jam played a full set of covers and I came in proclaiming "well Me First and The Gimme Gimmes do that!"

I think we agree on this subject, but I need your analogy explained to me.

I think the setlist issue is more comparing "what Pearl Jam is doing now vs what they've done the last 25 years" than "what Pearl Jam is doing now vs what other bands do."

Sure Bruce or U2 keep setlists standard. Pearl Jam never did that. I don't like seeing them move in that direction even though Bruce and U2 do that.

Me First and The Gimme Gimmes play all covers. Pearl Jam doesn't do that. I would not like to see them move in that direction even though Me First do that.

guschiggins51

Weston1283 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Seattle used to be a special show. Maybe that's why they don't play their much anymore. Expectations are sky high since 2000. They didn't even get extra songs. Nail in the coffin on an era of special shows. 2000 to 2018 may you RIP. Was holding out hope Seattle would see something legendary again like the home shows (even if shorter).

Seems like a solid set, just Seattle expectations were for that little extra umph.

I would argue that Seattle in 2013, 2018 and 2024 aren't even in the contest for best setlist of that respective year.  (Again, purely talking about setlist, doesnt account for crowd, vibes etc.)

I think there is this expectation about Seattle shows that people have, which I have not really understood, since they haven't done anything "special" in Seattle since I have been following for 15 years or so.  

The only city that seems to get special treatment is Philly/Camden.  That city consistently gets special shows or has arguably the best setlist of the tour.  

No one is mentioning it, but what about the Gorge shows from 2005-2006?

September 1st, 2005 Gorge show is my favorite of the 4 shows I've seen by far, 36 songs deep.

Home show 2 from 2018 was close, but the set list of 05 Gorge was sublime and no one is mentioning that in this "Seattle shows" conversation.

Last night, the 30th of May was good, I don't want to hate at all, the energy was great, it was a mix of the new stuff, the singles, and a few deep cuts - I hadn't seen Come Back or Inside Job live before and Hurt was a total curveball. 

Going from 36 songs at both Gorge 05 and night 2 Home show of 2018 to 25 last night... I can't rate last night as highly.

I wonder if they won't bring an opener if they'll do a super long set again - both of the above referenced shows didn't have an opening act (they did an acoustic set at the Gorge)

curmudgeoness

BF25394 said:

curmudgeoness said:

ekwipt said:

After seeing Wreckage performed the first 2 nights of the leg and again last night it still seems like that’s the 1 new one that isn’t connecting well with the crowd. 1/2 the diehards are into it but 1/2 aren’t and the normies seem really tuned out when it’s played. If that one could get good radio support I think the casual fans would really start to enjoy it and it would completely change the live experience of it. 

It’s a very good, very catchy “adult contemporary” song. I don’t want to like it as much as I do, but it keeps burrowing into my brain. I agree that radio support (is that still a thing — radio?) should make this song very popular.

Adult Album Alternative more than Adult Contemporary. I don't think many AC stations are playing it, but lots of Triple-A stations are.

Fair enough; I don’t think I’ve listened to radio outside of Sirius XM in a decade, but AAA makes sense.