Eddie Vedder's Reaction to KC Chiefs Kicker Harrison Butker Benedictine College Speech in LV Night 2

dmaradona10

Just curious of people's opinions on this one.  I agree with what EV said about supporting strong women. I also think that what Butker was saying may be somewhat misconstrued. He talked about the sacrifices of being a father and being a mother including putting raising children and family first over degrees and careers.  I do think Butker's wording could have been much better. (I honestly wonder what Taylor Swift thinks since the Chiefs schedule revolves around her touring).  Enough about my opinion. Thoughts?

brianlux

"“There should be pride in homemaking, whether you’re a man or woman. It’s maybe one of the hardest jobs, and you should definitely take pride in it. But you shouldn’t not follow a dream because you think you’re going to benefit by giving up your dreams? I couldn’t understand the logic.”

I think I agree with Ed... but those double negatives always leave me in a deep shadow of doubt. 

bootlegger10

He realized he made a mistake by calling the guy a "P***y".  I think he realized the irony of him standing up for woman but attacking a guy by referring to him as that term.  That is why I think he apologized later on about making an example of that guy.  Sorta like Tiger throwing a tampon to Justin Thomas when he outdrove him. 

I cut Ed some slack here.  Takes guts to speak up and sometimes you might say something you didn't mean sometimes. We all do but our lives aren't on camera like his.  If he was a Republican though and referred to a man as that term he would be roasted alive though.

bootlegger10

I understand that abortion rights are being taken away, but I didn't think we were still at a place where women felt like they didn't have the power to be in the workforce if they wanted.  I thought that would have been pretty universally acceptable at this point (and almost necessary to have both parents working to support the household).  If anything, I feel like the pendulum has swung to where stay at home moms are the ones to be made to feel like they are submissive and aren't living up to their potential.   

I am not a scholar on the topic though.  

dmaradona10

bootlegger10 said:

I understand that abortion rights are being taken away, but I didn't think we were still at a place where women felt like they didn't have the power to be in the workforce if they wanted.  I thought that would have been pretty universally acceptable at this point (and almost necessary to have both parents working to support the household).  If anything, I feel like the pendulum has swung to where stay at home moms are the ones to be made to feel like they are submissive and aren't living up to their potential.   

I am not a scholar on the topic though.  

I think since Butker makes enough money in the NFL he has the advantage of the wife of his children to not work and focus on being a mother and home making. More power to him and his hard work of becoming a professional kicker in the NFL. His kids will most likely grow up to be well-educated and professional as well. 

brianlux

A famous football player and a rock star walk into a bar...

benjs

bootlegger10 said:

I understand that abortion rights are being taken away, but I didn't think we were still at a place where women felt like they didn't have the power to be in the workforce if they wanted.  I thought that would have been pretty universally acceptable at this point (and almost necessary to have both parents working to support the household).  If anything, I feel like the pendulum has swung to where stay at home moms are the ones to be made to feel like they are submissive and aren't living up to their potential.   

I am not a scholar on the topic though.  

While the era of a woman being expected to be the homemaker might be over in many parts of North America, the workforce still pays women a fraction of what it does for men (and gives raises and promotions less frequently). Those are pretty huge deterrents - work as hard as a male, get paid less, get raises less frequently, and get promotions less frequently. 

In the situation I described, I could see a family having to make a difficult choice between a struggling dual-income household, versus a single-income household with one parent taking care of the children - likely the one with the less financial potential (or financial 'power').

pjl44

My mother-in-law on Sunday was like did you hear what that football player said? Good times.

Gern Blansten

Our own nation is led by a man who publicly and proudly proclaims his Catholic faith, but at the same time is delusional enough to make the Sign of the Cross during a pro- abortion rally. He has been so vocal in his support for the murder of innocent babies that I'm sure to many people it appears that you can be both Catholic and pro-choice.

Delusional? 

He is not alone. From the man behind the COVID lockdowns to the people pushing dangerous gender ideologies onto the youth of America, they all have a glaring thing in common. They are Catholic. This is an important reminder that being Catholic alone doesn't cut it.

Biden was the man? What a fucking idiot.

I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother. I'm on the stage today and able to be the man I am because I have a wife who leans into her vocation. I'm beyond blessed with the many talents God has given me, but it cannot be overstated that all of my success is made possible because a girl I met in band class back in middle school would convert to the faith, become my wife, and embrace one of the most important titles of all: homemaker.

She is a primary educator to our children. She is the one who ensures I never let football or my business become a distraction from that of a husband and father. She is the person that knows me best at my core, and it is through our marriage that, Lord willing, we will both attain salvation.

Butker is a religious nutjob living it Leave it to Beaverland

pjhawks

Ed's message would been more powerful if he hadn't said he looked like a...   that is what all the stories are focusing on instead of the message.   that being said Butker's views are that of an extreme religious nature.  as said above he is a nutjob.  Patrick Mahomes was quoted before all this that he doesn't talk to Butker at all.  Like they sit next to each other at the training table and he wouldn't talk to him.  So I'm thinking he comes off pretty nutty even to his teammates.

Gern Blansten

I know where Ed is coming from...I've got three daughters so hearing people (especially younger people) say shit like that is irritating as hell.

Merkin Baller

I like the part where he referred to Taylor Swift as "my teammate's girlfriend". 

bootlegger10

Merkin Baller said:

I like the part where he referred to Taylor Swift as "my teammate's girlfriend". 

Because she is more special than if she was an engineer nobody had heard of?

Merkin Baller

bootlegger10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

I like the part where he referred to Taylor Swift as "my teammate's girlfriend". 

Because she is more special than if she was an engineer nobody had heard of?

Sure

cincybearcat

Gern Blansten said:

I know where Ed is coming from...I've got three daughters so hearing people (especially younger people) say shit like that is irritating as hell.

Yup.

He said it at graduation. Speaking directly to the women who worked hard to start their careers….telling them it was all lies and they’d be happier as just wives and moms. WTF?

I read the whole speech. He is an asshat. He belittled college educated women for wanting careers while telling the men they run shit…so be masculine and run it. 

It’s fine should someone choose to be a wife, mom, husband, father and not pursue any other career if it works for them and their family. Telling others it’s a lie to want something different? Creepy. 

I was at the concert with my 16 year old daughter who may have gotten more excited about that comment than the show (well, maybe not that excited but she loved it and cheered loudly). For me, I was thankful for Ed’s words for my daughter.  

Go Beavers

I don’t think Butker’s comments were misconstrued at all. He started off by framing it around believing a lie, and then went into how women have more value at home and are better off having kids instead of pursuing a career. His view is that career oriented women are a detriment to society. 

HughFreakingDillon

I don't care about Ed's language. he was spot on. and my daughters have and will hear the same message from me, day in, and day out. fuck misogyny and the patriarchy.  

gimmesometruth27

i'm surprised more kickers are not uber religious.. i mean when the game is on the line in crappy weather and you have to make a 58 yard field goal in the wind and rain, who wouldn't pray?

all kidding aside, butker is a clown and ed was right to call him out. more people with a platform like ed should speak out.

people can be religious, but in these times when fewer and fewer people identify as religious, maybe tone down the rhetoric a bit. even at a catholic school graduation. those women invested 4 or 5 years and a hundred grand to basically be told their degree is worthless and they need to be a subservient homemaker. i'd imagine that is something that most of those women did not want to hear.

Merkin Baller

Jon Stewart has a good take on all this nonsense... not just Butker, but also our culture of outrage and the overwhelming stupidity of the right crying about cancel culture.

https://youtu.be/WwyyttqvE04?si=2RXzkGNdXwmbRfgx 

brianlux

Merkin Baller said:

Jon Stewart has a good take on all this nonsense... not just Butker, but also our culture of outrage and the overwhelming stupidity of the right crying about cancel culture.

https://youtu.be/WwyyttqvE04?si=2RXzkGNdXwmbRfgx 

Jon Stewart nails it once again!  Thank goodness, God, Buddha, the universe, every and anything for Jon Stewart!

dmaradona10

Go Beavers said:

I don’t think Butker’s comments were misconstrued at all. He started off by framing it around believing a lie, and then went into how women have more value at home and are better off having kids instead of pursuing a career. His view is that career oriented women are a detriment to society. 

Well, they are only showing the clip where he talks about his view of his wife's role as homemaker, and not the role and sacrifices of being a father, which he talked about. That's all I meant.  I also said his wording could of been better. 

dmaradona10

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't care about Ed's language. he was spot on. and my daughters have and will hear the same message from me, day in, and day out. fuck misogyny and the patriarchy.  

God speed...

dmaradona10

benjs said:

bootlegger10 said:

I understand that abortion rights are being taken away, but I didn't think we were still at a place where women felt like they didn't have the power to be in the workforce if they wanted.  I thought that would have been pretty universally acceptable at this point (and almost necessary to have both parents working to support the household).  If anything, I feel like the pendulum has swung to where stay at home moms are the ones to be made to feel like they are submissive and aren't living up to their potential.   

I am not a scholar on the topic though.  

While the era of a woman being expected to be the homemaker might be over in many parts of North America, the workforce still pays women a fraction of what it does for men (and gives raises and promotions less frequently). Those are pretty huge deterrents - work as hard as a male, get paid less, get raises less frequently, and get promotions less frequently. 

In the situation I described, I could see a family having to make a difficult choice between a struggling dual-income household, versus a single-income household with one parent taking care of the children - likely the one with the less financial potential (or financial 'power').

All of what you described has been illegal in the U.S. for decades.  Also, if a woman is working the same hours and doing a better job than a male, and does not get promoted, she could sue and would probably win.  Women have major advantages in the work force now. 

dmaradona10

pjhawks said:

Ed's message would been more powerful if he hadn't said he looked like a...   that is what all the stories are focusing on instead of the message.   that being said Butker's views are that of an extreme religious nature.  as said above he is a nutjob.  Patrick Mahomes was quoted before all this that he doesn't talk to Butker at all.  Like they sit next to each other at the training table and he wouldn't talk to him.  So I'm thinking he comes off pretty nutty even to his teammates.


Looks like Mahomes came out in support of Butker, calling him "a good guy and teammate."  There are articles about it today.

benjs

dmaradona10 said:

benjs said:

bootlegger10 said:

I understand that abortion rights are being taken away, but I didn't think we were still at a place where women felt like they didn't have the power to be in the workforce if they wanted.  I thought that would have been pretty universally acceptable at this point (and almost necessary to have both parents working to support the household).  If anything, I feel like the pendulum has swung to where stay at home moms are the ones to be made to feel like they are submissive and aren't living up to their potential.   

I am not a scholar on the topic though.  

While the era of a woman being expected to be the homemaker might be over in many parts of North America, the workforce still pays women a fraction of what it does for men (and gives raises and promotions less frequently). Those are pretty huge deterrents - work as hard as a male, get paid less, get raises less frequently, and get promotions less frequently. 

In the situation I described, I could see a family having to make a difficult choice between a struggling dual-income household, versus a single-income household with one parent taking care of the children - likely the one with the less financial potential (or financial 'power').

All of what you described has been illegal in the U.S. for decades.  Also, if a woman is working the same hours and doing a better job than a male, and does not get promoted, she could sue and would probably win.  Women have major advantages in the work force now. 

Everything you wrote is empirically false.

Gender gains and gaps in the US, ahead of Women's History Month | Pew Research Center

dmaradona10

benjs said:

dmaradona10 said:

benjs said:

bootlegger10 said:

I understand that abortion rights are being taken away, but I didn't think we were still at a place where women felt like they didn't have the power to be in the workforce if they wanted.  I thought that would have been pretty universally acceptable at this point (and almost necessary to have both parents working to support the household).  If anything, I feel like the pendulum has swung to where stay at home moms are the ones to be made to feel like they are submissive and aren't living up to their potential.   

I am not a scholar on the topic though.  

While the era of a woman being expected to be the homemaker might be over in many parts of North America, the workforce still pays women a fraction of what it does for men (and gives raises and promotions less frequently). Those are pretty huge deterrents - work as hard as a male, get paid less, get raises less frequently, and get promotions less frequently. 

In the situation I described, I could see a family having to make a difficult choice between a struggling dual-income household, versus a single-income household with one parent taking care of the children - likely the one with the less financial potential (or financial 'power').

All of what you described has been illegal in the U.S. for decades.  Also, if a woman is working the same hours and doing a better job than a male, and does not get promoted, she could sue and would probably win.  Women have major advantages in the work force now. 

Everything you wrote is empirically false.

Gender gains and gaps in the US, ahead of Women's History Month | Pew Research Center

Everything you described about what women in the workforce is illegal and has been for decades like I previously stated.  College degreed professional women are paid the same, for the same time and amount of work, if they are not than whoever employs them are breaking federal law. That's a fact.  Also, women have advantages in the courts getting 50% of what they didn't work for and overwhelmingly win custody when they probably should not. Talk about "privileged."

benjs

dmaradona10 said:

benjs said:

dmaradona10 said:

benjs said:

bootlegger10 said:

I understand that abortion rights are being taken away, but I didn't think we were still at a place where women felt like they didn't have the power to be in the workforce if they wanted.  I thought that would have been pretty universally acceptable at this point (and almost necessary to have both parents working to support the household).  If anything, I feel like the pendulum has swung to where stay at home moms are the ones to be made to feel like they are submissive and aren't living up to their potential.   

I am not a scholar on the topic though.  

While the era of a woman being expected to be the homemaker might be over in many parts of North America, the workforce still pays women a fraction of what it does for men (and gives raises and promotions less frequently). Those are pretty huge deterrents - work as hard as a male, get paid less, get raises less frequently, and get promotions less frequently. 

In the situation I described, I could see a family having to make a difficult choice between a struggling dual-income household, versus a single-income household with one parent taking care of the children - likely the one with the less financial potential (or financial 'power').

All of what you described has been illegal in the U.S. for decades.  Also, if a woman is working the same hours and doing a better job than a male, and does not get promoted, she could sue and would probably win.  Women have major advantages in the work force now. 

Everything you wrote is empirically false.

Gender gains and gaps in the US, ahead of Women's History Month | Pew Research Center

Everything you described about what women in the workforce is illegal and has been for decades like I previously stated.  College degreed professional women are paid the same, for the same time and amount of work, if they are not than whoever employs them are breaking federal law. That's a fact.  Also, women have advantages in the courts getting 50% of what they didn't work for and overwhelmingly win custody when they probably should not. Talk about "privileged."

You are talking about two elements of gender-based wage equality (focusing on hourly wage workers, and not bothering to talk about salaried workers). Did you even bother reading the link I shared? It's abundantly clear that equality is not being achieved.

mickeyrat

dmaradona10 said:

benjs said:

dmaradona10 said:

benjs said:

bootlegger10 said:

I understand that abortion rights are being taken away, but I didn't think we were still at a place where women felt like they didn't have the power to be in the workforce if they wanted.  I thought that would have been pretty universally acceptable at this point (and almost necessary to have both parents working to support the household).  If anything, I feel like the pendulum has swung to where stay at home moms are the ones to be made to feel like they are submissive and aren't living up to their potential.   

I am not a scholar on the topic though.  

While the era of a woman being expected to be the homemaker might be over in many parts of North America, the workforce still pays women a fraction of what it does for men (and gives raises and promotions less frequently). Those are pretty huge deterrents - work as hard as a male, get paid less, get raises less frequently, and get promotions less frequently. 

In the situation I described, I could see a family having to make a difficult choice between a struggling dual-income household, versus a single-income household with one parent taking care of the children - likely the one with the less financial potential (or financial 'power').

All of what you described has been illegal in the U.S. for decades.  Also, if a woman is working the same hours and doing a better job than a male, and does not get promoted, she could sue and would probably win.  Women have major advantages in the work force now. 

Everything you wrote is empirically false.

Gender gains and gaps in the US, ahead of Women's History Month | Pew Research Center

Everything you described about what women in the workforce is illegal and has been for decades like I previously stated.  College degreed professional women are paid the same, for the same time and amount of work, if they are not than whoever employs them are breaking federal law. That's a fact.  Also, women have advantages in the courts getting 50% of what they didn't work for and overwhelmingly win custody when they probably should not. Talk about "privileged."

right.

https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/equal-pay-act-1963

and yet.......

https://blog.dol.gov/2024/03/12/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-gender-wage-gap

benjs

mickeyrat said:

dmaradona10 said:

benjs said:

dmaradona10 said:

benjs said:

bootlegger10 said:

I understand that abortion rights are being taken away, but I didn't think we were still at a place where women felt like they didn't have the power to be in the workforce if they wanted.  I thought that would have been pretty universally acceptable at this point (and almost necessary to have both parents working to support the household).  If anything, I feel like the pendulum has swung to where stay at home moms are the ones to be made to feel like they are submissive and aren't living up to their potential.   

I am not a scholar on the topic though.  

While the era of a woman being expected to be the homemaker might be over in many parts of North America, the workforce still pays women a fraction of what it does for men (and gives raises and promotions less frequently). Those are pretty huge deterrents - work as hard as a male, get paid less, get raises less frequently, and get promotions less frequently. 

In the situation I described, I could see a family having to make a difficult choice between a struggling dual-income household, versus a single-income household with one parent taking care of the children - likely the one with the less financial potential (or financial 'power').

All of what you described has been illegal in the U.S. for decades.  Also, if a woman is working the same hours and doing a better job than a male, and does not get promoted, she could sue and would probably win.  Women have major advantages in the work force now. 

Everything you wrote is empirically false.

Gender gains and gaps in the US, ahead of Women's History Month | Pew Research Center

Everything you described about what women in the workforce is illegal and has been for decades like I previously stated.  College degreed professional women are paid the same, for the same time and amount of work, if they are not than whoever employs them are breaking federal law. That's a fact.  Also, women have advantages in the courts getting 50% of what they didn't work for and overwhelmingly win custody when they probably should not. Talk about "privileged."

right.

https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/equal-pay-act-1963

and yet.......

https://blog.dol.gov/2024/03/12/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-gender-wage-gap

Yep. Takes literally seconds to find the facts that support the notion of gender inequality in the USA, backed up by statistics. I guess that's too much for some.

dmaradona10

benjs said:

mickeyrat said:

dmaradona10 said:

benjs said:

dmaradona10 said:

benjs said:

bootlegger10 said:

I understand that abortion rights are being taken away, but I didn't think we were still at a place where women felt like they didn't have the power to be in the workforce if they wanted.  I thought that would have been pretty universally acceptable at this point (and almost necessary to have both parents working to support the household).  If anything, I feel like the pendulum has swung to where stay at home moms are the ones to be made to feel like they are submissive and aren't living up to their potential.   

I am not a scholar on the topic though.  

While the era of a woman being expected to be the homemaker might be over in many parts of North America, the workforce still pays women a fraction of what it does for men (and gives raises and promotions less frequently). Those are pretty huge deterrents - work as hard as a male, get paid less, get raises less frequently, and get promotions less frequently. 

In the situation I described, I could see a family having to make a difficult choice between a struggling dual-income household, versus a single-income household with one parent taking care of the children - likely the one with the less financial potential (or financial 'power').

All of what you described has been illegal in the U.S. for decades.  Also, if a woman is working the same hours and doing a better job than a male, and does not get promoted, she could sue and would probably win.  Women have major advantages in the work force now. 

Everything you wrote is empirically false.

Gender gains and gaps in the US, ahead of Women's History Month | Pew Research Center

Everything you described about what women in the workforce is illegal and has been for decades like I previously stated.  College degreed professional women are paid the same, for the same time and amount of work, if they are not than whoever employs them are breaking federal law. That's a fact.  Also, women have advantages in the courts getting 50% of what they didn't work for and overwhelmingly win custody when they probably should not. Talk about "privileged."

right.

https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/equal-pay-act-1963

and yet.......

https://blog.dol.gov/2024/03/12/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-gender-wage-gap

Yep. Takes literally seconds to find the facts that support the notion of gender inequality in the USA, backed up by statistics. I guess that's too much for some.


Like the equal pay act of 1963.  1963!! and the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act under Obama. You can keep claiming "inequality" all you want, because that what you do and that's what you want.  The laws are clear on this and have been for decades, like I have said and pointed out three times now. 

dmaradona10

benjs said:

dmaradona10 said:

benjs said:

dmaradona10 said:

benjs said:

bootlegger10 said:

I understand that abortion rights are being taken away, but I didn't think we were still at a place where women felt like they didn't have the power to be in the workforce if they wanted.  I thought that would have been pretty universally acceptable at this point (and almost necessary to have both parents working to support the household).  If anything, I feel like the pendulum has swung to where stay at home moms are the ones to be made to feel like they are submissive and aren't living up to their potential.   

I am not a scholar on the topic though.  

While the era of a woman being expected to be the homemaker might be over in many parts of North America, the workforce still pays women a fraction of what it does for men (and gives raises and promotions less frequently). Those are pretty huge deterrents - work as hard as a male, get paid less, get raises less frequently, and get promotions less frequently. 

In the situation I described, I could see a family having to make a difficult choice between a struggling dual-income household, versus a single-income household with one parent taking care of the children - likely the one with the less financial potential (or financial 'power').

All of what you described has been illegal in the U.S. for decades.  Also, if a woman is working the same hours and doing a better job than a male, and does not get promoted, she could sue and would probably win.  Women have major advantages in the work force now. 

Everything you wrote is empirically false.

Gender gains and gaps in the US, ahead of Women's History Month | Pew Research Center

Everything you described about what women in the workforce is illegal and has been for decades like I previously stated.  College degreed professional women are paid the same, for the same time and amount of work, if they are not than whoever employs them are breaking federal law. That's a fact.  Also, women have advantages in the courts getting 50% of what they didn't work for and overwhelmingly win custody when they probably should not. Talk about "privileged."

You are talking about two elements of gender-based wage equality (focusing on hourly wage workers, and not bothering to talk about salaried workers). Did you even bother reading the link I shared? It's abundantly clear that equality is not being achieved.

There are more women in the workforce since the Obama era.  For the fourth time, the Equal Pay Act of 1963 and the Lilly Ledbetter Act under Obama, not paying equal on the basis of gender has been illegal for decades.  You want there to be Madmen, and you still see society as the 1960s, but that's not the reality at all.  You are stuck in a time warp, and that's a big issue for the Left.