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Ed's Tone on Deadman

RyanRyan Posts: 1,118
edited January 2006 in Musicians and Gearheads
Just wondering if anyone knows what pickup, amp settings, and tone settings on the guitar Ed uses to get such a "heavy" sound on Deadman? Everytime I play it it sounds so thin.
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  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Ryan wrote:
    Just wondering if anyone knows what pickup, amp settings, and tone settings on the guitar Ed uses to get such a "heavy" sound on Deadman? Everytime I play it it sounds so thin.


    It's tuned to dropped D I believe.

    When he plays it live it's the SG Special with the Fralin P90's I believe and whatever amp he is playing at the time. I've seen it with the Hiwatt but now he's got 3 Fender Tweed Deluxes I think.
    My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
  • electronblueelectronblue WPB Florida Posts: 3,460
    i dunno howeVer, it shure sounds awesome and "heavy"!!!....~


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  • RyanRyan Posts: 1,118
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    It's tuned to dropped D I believe.

    When he plays it live it's the SG Special with the Fralin P90's I believe and whatever amp he is playing at the time. I've seen it with the Hiwatt but now he's got 3 Fender Tweed Deluxes I think.


    Yah I know it's in dropped D. It just sounds too "bright" when I try playing it, if that makes any sense. If I turn the treble down on the amp and use the neck pickup and turn the tone down it sounds too dull and the slides and bends kind of get muddled.
    2003 - June 15 Fargo
    2005 - Sept 1 George, Sept 8 Winnipeg
    2006 - May 9/10 Toronto, June 26/27 St. Paul, July 22/23 George, Oct 21/22 Mountain View
    2007 - Aug 2/5 Chicago
    2008 - June 22 Washington, June 24/25 New York
    2009 - Aug 21 Toronto, Aug 23/24 Chicago, Sept 21/22 Seattle, Oct 27/28/30/31 Philadelphia
    2010 - May 15 Hartford, May 17 Boston, Oct 23/24 Mountain View
    2011 - Sept 3/4 Alpine Valley, Sept 11/12 Toronto, Sept 17 Winnipeg, Sept 19 Saskatoon
    2012 - Sept 30 Missoula
    2013 - July 16 London, July 19 Chicago, Oct 12 Buffalo, Dec 2 Calgary, Dec 4 Vancouver, Dec 6 Seattle
    2014 - Oct 16 Detroit, Oct 19 St. Paul, Oct 20 Milwaukee
    2015 - Sept 23 (Colbert)/Sept 26, New York
    2016 - Apr 28/29 Philadelphia, May 10/12 Toronto, Aug 20/22 Chicago
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Ryan wrote:
    Yah I know it's in dropped D. It just sounds too "bright" when I try playing it, if that makes any sense. If I turn the treble down on the amp and use the neck pickup and turn the tone down it sounds too dull and the slides and bends kind of get muddled.


    ah, yes you cannot turn the treble down because you will lose dynamics without a good cap job. what amp are you playing through?
    My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
  • RyanRyan Posts: 1,118
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    ah, yes you cannot turn the treble down because you will lose dynamics without a good cap job. what amp are you playing through?

    http://www.activemusician.com/store/product.asp?sku=EM.022-67200-030

    This is what I am playing through right now.
    2003 - June 15 Fargo
    2005 - Sept 1 George, Sept 8 Winnipeg
    2006 - May 9/10 Toronto, June 26/27 St. Paul, July 22/23 George, Oct 21/22 Mountain View
    2007 - Aug 2/5 Chicago
    2008 - June 22 Washington, June 24/25 New York
    2009 - Aug 21 Toronto, Aug 23/24 Chicago, Sept 21/22 Seattle, Oct 27/28/30/31 Philadelphia
    2010 - May 15 Hartford, May 17 Boston, Oct 23/24 Mountain View
    2011 - Sept 3/4 Alpine Valley, Sept 11/12 Toronto, Sept 17 Winnipeg, Sept 19 Saskatoon
    2012 - Sept 30 Missoula
    2013 - July 16 London, July 19 Chicago, Oct 12 Buffalo, Dec 2 Calgary, Dec 4 Vancouver, Dec 6 Seattle
    2014 - Oct 16 Detroit, Oct 19 St. Paul, Oct 20 Milwaukee
    2015 - Sept 23 (Colbert)/Sept 26, New York
    2016 - Apr 28/29 Philadelphia, May 10/12 Toronto, Aug 20/22 Chicago
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    Ryan wrote:
    http://www.activemusician.com/store/product.asp?sku=EM.022-67200-030

    This is what I am playing through right now.


    ah the dreaded fender dyna touch line rears it's head. The issue is likely inherent in the amplifier and or the speaker. That is a bright sounding amp if I remember correctly. It just won't give you the depth you desire to nail that deep clear tone exactly it's just not the right style amp and speaker. Are you using single coil pups or humbuckers? P90's and or fairly hot and fat single coils will help greatly. One thing that might help would be thicker gauge strings and a looser speaker in a bigger cabinet. but these things get costly. Turn the amp up to say 5 or higher volume. Turn up the bass to about 8 or 9 and the mids to 3 or 4 roll the treble back to maybe 5 or 6 and increase the prescense if the amp has that control, I can't remember, Roll the guitar volume back to 8 and maybe the tone controls to 8 or 7 as well and play around with that. Give it about 2 or 3 on the DSP verb. some kind of outboard prescense boost like a clean boost would help on a tube amp but it might just make your amp get fizzy and buzzy as that's common in my Fender SS amp and the Peavy Bass amp I use sometimes. Just try the above and then just play with the EQ until you find something decent. You are going to have to get the amp pretty loud to get the bass in there you need unfortunately no one has yet invented a loudness control or bass boost for us guitar players. That's a good speaker but it is very stiff it's not really designed for that type of sound.
    My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
  • HailHailVitalogyHailHailVitalogy Posts: 5,215
    well i was just learning it last night and i have the exact tone

    i have an SG Special but not fralin p90s...i have the stock humbuckers...i put it on the rhythm pickup and put the tone to about 7 or 8...my settings on my clean are ...treble 7, bass 3-4, mids 5 (the bass on my amp for the clean is a little high so you may have to play around with that, i use a traynor ycv40wr)
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  • dont_go_on_medont_go_on_me Posts: 877
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    When he plays it live it's the SG Special with the Fralin P90's I believe and whatever amp he is playing at the time.
    I'm struggling to recall what he used in '04 when i saw him play it at the Grand Rapids show, but I'm sure it wasn't the SG. He was also using the Hiwatt at that time.
    "I'll do whatever the song dictates - if it doesn't need a real lead, then I won't do one. But if it does, then I'll fuckin' go off." - Mike

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  • mccreadyisgodmccreadyisgod Bumfuq, MT Posts: 6,395
    don't_go_on_me wrote:
    I'm struggling to recall what he used in '04 when i saw him play it at the Grand Rapids show, but I'm sure it wasn't the SG. He was also using the Hiwatt at that time.


    I'd venture to guess it was the Rickenbacker. Might've been a Tele, but I'd put more money on the Rick.
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • dont_go_on_medont_go_on_me Posts: 877
    mccreadyisgod wrote:
    I'd venture to guess it was the Rickenbacker. Might've been a Tele, but I'd put more money on the Rick.
    i want to say it was a tele...but i can't remember which one. i know he played Throw Your Arms Around Me on his '63 tele with the p90 in the neck...but i can't remember what he played on Deadman.

    I don't think it was the Rick, because i remember seeing him play it this year and thinking to myself "Ed hasn't used the Rick in awhile"

    it wasn't his schecter tele, i know that. Does he have another similar tele to the '63?
    "I'll do whatever the song dictates - if it doesn't need a real lead, then I won't do one. But if it does, then I'll fuckin' go off." - Mike

    "Japan is awesome; the fans there knew all the words to all the songs...at least phonetically." - Stone

    "I know this song so well, I can smoke a cigarette, have a drink, brush my teeth, take a shit, and mow the lawn while singing it. But I'll only be doing a couple of those things during this version." - EV
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