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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,169
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,168
    It still grinds my gears a bit with how the press looks back on the dossier. “Many of the claims were never proved”  isn’t accurate. Many claims were proved, a couple were disproven, and some others were neither confirmed nor disproven. They just end up feeding republican historical revisionism with Trump. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
    2023
    It still grinds my gears a bit with how the press looks back on the dossier. “Many of the claims were never proved”  isn’t accurate. Many claims were proved, a couple were disproven, and some others were neither confirmed nor disproven. They just end up feeding republican historical revisionism with Trump. 
    Agreed...I still cringe when some magat is being interviewed and mentions that and there is no push back.

    And the fucking Mueller report...Hello? There was so much bullshit generated on a daily basis that we've not followed up.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,169
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,169

     

    Deny, attack, reverse – Trump has perfected the art of inverted victimhood

    Sidney Blumenthal

    Trump tries to undermine allegations against him by attacking his accusers, sowing confusion and painting himself as a martyr

    Thu 1 Feb 2024 15.09 ESTLast modified on Thu 1 Feb 2024 15.42 EST

    Time after time, with predictable regularity, never missing a beat, Donald Trump proclaims his innocence. He always denies that he has done anything wrong. The charge does not matter. He is blameless. But this is only the beginning of the pattern. Then, he attacks his accusers, or anyone involved in bringing him to account, usually of committing the identical offense of which he stands accused.

    But it is not enough for him to lash out. Then, he declares himself to be the victim. Whatever it is, he is falsely accused. But his self-dramatization as the wounded sufferer is only half his story: he insists that whoever has accused him is in fact the offender. He emerges triumphant, the martyr, the truth-teller, courageously unmasking the real villain. J’accuse!

    Trump’s pattern is textbook manipulation – literally. It has a precise name given to it after decades of academic research. Jennifer Freyd, now professor emerita of psychology at the University of Oregon, developed the theory over her career studying sexual assault, trauma and institutional betrayal. She named the process by which the perpetrator seeks to avoid accountability Darvo – a strategy with the elements of denial, attack, and reversal of victim and offender.

    Don’t underestimate Nikki Haley – for starters, just look at how she gets under Trump’s skin
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    “I named the idea in the 1990s,” Freyd told me. “People can deny an accusation without resorting to Darvo. Why not just say, ‘I’m disturbed by what you’re saying, it doesn’t comport with what I remember, these are important issues, I want to understand.’ You can stick to a firm denial without being a victim. But the viciousness of the attack is intended to be silencing.”

    Freyd observes: “The people who use Darvo are different from the people who don’t … It’s a red flag.”

    Trump’s behavior in the E Jean Carroll case has been a classic exhibit. The defamation case was brought after Trump said she was “totally lying”, explaining that “she’s not my type”, about her description of his sexual assault of her in a book and a New York magazine article. He issued a formal statement from the White House on 19 July 2019: “If anyone has information that the Democratic Party is working with Ms Carroll or New York magazine, please notify us as soon as possible. The world should know what’s really going on. It is a disgrace, and people should pay dearly for such false accusations.”


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,169
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,018
    2023
    OnWis97 said:
    If you search most things on Twitter, it works. If you search "Justin Mohn" nothing comes up.
    Wow, you’re not kidding. 
    This must be all that free speech Elmo is so determined to protect. 


    bummer. i wanted to see a head in a cooking pot on video....


    jfc dahmer part 2.
    Idk…. Seems weird to suppress all mention / reporting of the incident. 
    Still being suppressed. And when you search for Justin Mohn Head you get all these weirdos saying the head was a prop. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,282
    2023
    mickeyrat said:
    “Only the best people, folks, only the best people.” Pause with jutted jaw, hands grasping the podium, stare out into the audience for dramatic effect and bask in the adulation. Remember those days? Sure you do.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,282
    2023
    You may also remember the Shrub and Darth Cheney 2004 repub convention in Cleveland and how they handled the "protestors?" Maybe how they controlled access to the convention center and penned the protestors in approved "freedom of speech" sites well away from the convention center and in fenced pens under highway overpasses? 'Murica in 2004, baby. Remember those days? Sure you do.

    U.S. to wrap security blanket around D.C. courthouse for Trump trial

    Metal fencing could go up as soon as February for Trump’s potential March trial. It will be reminiscent of police barricades erected around the U.S. Capitol before and after the Jan. 6 riot.

    U.S. officials are debating how thick of a security blanket they will wrap around the federal courthouse in downtown Washington for former president Donald Trump’s trial — a practical and symbolic measure of the case’s importance that must balance safety with the ongoing functions of a city and a public courthouse, according to people familiar with discussions.

    Proposed changes for what could be the first criminal trial of a former American president include ringing all or part of the E. Barrett Prettyman federal courthouse as early as February with metal fencing, closing or controlling sidewalk access for several blocks, and temporarily closing neighboring streets in the heart of the city, two of the people said. The goal is to create an additional security buffer between the proceedings inside and the public outside, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss pending security plans.

    The barriers will pose a visual reminder of the police barricades erected before the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol and its grounds, which sit 300 yards from the courthouse across an open expanse of the National Mall. The preparations come amid rising threats to public officials, including judges and prosecutors in Trump’s cases, and the prediction from the leading candidate for the Republican presidential nomination of “bedlam in the country” if his criminal cases damage his candidacy this year.

    Changes could begin before it is known whether the Supreme Court will allow Trump’s scheduled March 4 trial on charges of conspiring to overturn the 2020 presidential election to proceed, one official said. But more concrete actions are likelier in the weeks ahead of a confirmed trial date. That date remains in limbo pending Trump’s appeal that he is immune from prosecution for official actions taken while president, and developments in a New York state prosecution accusing Trump of business fraud. Several people emphasized that the scope and timing of the security perimeter is still to be finalized, with some of the most disruptive potential changes — restricting traffic on the busy Constitution and Pennsylvania avenue NW corridors — not under consideration for now as consultations continue with participating agencies.

    The planning will fortify a courthouse on a famous stretch of Pennsylvania Avenue NW between the White House and Capitol transited by presidents for inaugural parades and State of the Union addresses — and by angry supporters whom Trump allegedly sent to keep Congress from certifying Joe Biden’s electoral victory on Jan. 6.

    For a multiweek trial of Trump in D.C. or elsewhere, “security plans are going to be much more robust than the quick, one-day, in-and-outs” that the public has seen for Trump’s appearances over the past year in Washington, or in New York CityAtlanta or South Florida, where he also faces criminal charges, U.S. Secret Service spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said.

    “If he’s here for the duration, you’re not only talking about the courthouse but where the protectee will stay, ensuring that area is fortified and protected,” Guglielmi said. “It’s just a totally different plan.” Guglielmi declined to discuss details because security planners don’t have all the specifics yet. He added, “We’re going to create the safest environment possible for movements of the protectee … while creating the least amount of disruption for the community.”

    Trump’s appearance in early January at the courthouse, where a panel of federal appellate judges held oral arguments over his immunity claim, provided a glimpse of the potential impact to come over a weeks-long trial. Police sealed off block-long sections of Third and C streets NW with bright-orange biodiesel trucks, squad cars and bike racks, as they did for Trump’s Aug. 3 arraignment. Law enforcement patrolled sidewalks and shooed away bystanders while Trump’s Secret Service-escorted motorcade whisked him in and out of the building’s secure underground garage.

    Inside, wireless service was interrupted and all but one of the court’s entrances were closed. Visitors were screened twice before being let into the courtroom, while case participants avoided public hallways and moved between the garage and courtroom using back entrances out of public view.

    For a longer trial, authorities plan to expand a security perimeter outside the courthouse with non-scalable fencing, one person said. C Street NW, which runs between the courthouse and D.C. police headquarters, may be closed, and media trucks may be barred from staging on a plaza at the bend of Constitution and Pennsylvania avenues NW near the George Gordon Meade Memorial. Plans for demonstrators also are being drafted, and for a heavy security presence for any verdict.

    “We’re well aware of the importance of finding the proper balance between security for the trial and all of its participants, as well as public and media access to the courts and other ongoing proceedings,” said Chief U.S. District Judge James E. Boasberg, who along with spokesmen for Chief Judge Sri Srinivasan of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, the U.S. Marshals Service and D.C. police declined to discuss specifics raised by people interviewed for this report.

    Security analysts said officials are focused on protecting Trump and all trial participants, securing the courthouse and its operations, and ensuring the safety of key players and the public, including demonstrators, bystanders, pedestrians and motorists.

    “The lesson from January 6, 2021, is to be overly cautious and well-prepared in terms of security for any event or venue where there is even a slight chance of an attack,” said Bruce Hoffman, a veteran counterterrorism and homeland security fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and co-author with Jacob Ware of the new book “God, Guns, and Sedition: Far-right Terrorism in America.” The Marshals Service and other federal agencies “will almost certainly put on a visible show of force for its deterrent value in hopefully prompting anyone who might be contemplating any kind of disruption to think twice, since the likelihood of its succeeding given the security measures in place will be low to nil.”

    The federal courthouse sits amid a patchwork of federal and D.C. jurisdictions and is surrounded by security-sensitive neighbors, including the Canadian Embassy, D.C. police headquarters and courts, U.S. Labor Department and National Gallery of Art. Security decision-making is driven by the Marshals Service and the U.S. district and appeals courts in consultation with the Secret Service and D.C. police. The Department of Homeland Security’s Federal Protective Service, which guards federal buildings, and the National Park Service’s U.S. Park Police, which protects the National Mall and some park space and plazas near the court, also are part of the mix.

    If Trump were still president, planning would be led by the Secret Service, current and former officials said. Because he is not, the Marshals Service and D.C. police have a larger stake in securing the courthouse and any demonstrations or street issues, they said. The Secret Service will remain responsible for Trump’s movements to and from the courthouse, whether from Trump National Golf Club in Sterling, Va., or the hotel he used to own near the courthouse — where he stopped before and after January’s appeals court argument — or elsewhere.

    Guglielmi said engineers, scientists and technicians will account for not just weapons but also physical and environmental threats to the courthouse and a security perimeter for a trial that could last weeks. “Of all the cities in the United States, Washington, D.C., is among the best equipped, prepared, and accustomed to hosting protectees” and high-ranking officials, with security agencies conducting dozens of movements a day, he said.

    Spokesmen for the Park Police, Federal Protective Service and special counsel Jack Smith declined to comment.

    Because there are several agencies with jurisdiction “in the heart of D.C.,” one official cautioned, it was too soon to say for sure what a final security plan might look like. “There are a lot of players involved … Nobody is holding a crystal ball.”

    The courthouse is no stranger to high-security events. In June 2014, federal agents with long guns stood post around the building for the Saturday arraignment of Ahmed Abu Khattala, who was flown into D.C. by helicopter just after sunrise and who was later convicted of being a ringleader in the 2012 attacks on U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya, that killed a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans.

    Similarly, D.C. cocaine king Rayful Edmond III was convicted by the city’s first anonymous jury after being flown in daily by helicopter from the U.S. Marine Corps base in Quantico, Va. Edmond’s high-security courtroom was equipped with bullet-resistant glass and cleared of spectators for his 13-week trial in 1989 to protect witness and jurors from his network’s enforcers, who had been linked to 30 killings.

    A trial of the former president raises different considerations, but security plans will probably draw on past practices, officials said. For example, the anonymous jurors in Trump’s civil trials in New York for sexually abusing and defaming writer E. Jean Carroll have been driven to and from the courthouse from an undisclosed location for their safety, as were jurors in the recent Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy trial of Proud Boys leaders in Washington.

    Similar precautions are likely for Trump’s trial, as Smith’s prosecutors have suggested the court and Marshals Service consider measures “to protect the jury in [Trump’s] case from scrutiny and harassment,” such as arranging for jurors to gain “discreet entry into and out of the courthouse.”

    Neither side has asked for a jury to remain anonymous from the parties or be sequestered throughout the trial, although prosecutors have said they may request additional measures.

    Officials also may move the Trump trial from the usual courtroom used by U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan, who is presiding over his case, for better audiovisual capabilities or more secure access from building entrances out of public view, one person said.

    January that federal authorities have seen a “deeply disturbing spike” in threats and attacks on public officials. Threats and communications targeting court personnel quadrupled between 2015 and 2022, from 926 to 3,706, according to the Marshals Service.

    In recent weeks, several bomb threats were made against state capitols, courthouses and other government buildings around the country, and hoax calls have drawn police to the homes of Smith, the special counsel; New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron, who oversaw a $370 million civil fraud trial against Trump; and Chutkan. SmithChutkan and Engoron are under security protection.

    The Maine secretary of state and the Colorado Supreme Court, both of which recently deemed Trump ineligible to be on the primary ballot in their states under the Constitution’s insurrection clause, received a surge of threats after Trump lambasted them in speeches and social media posts. A woman was charged last year with making a voice-mail threat to Chutkan, while men have pleaded guilty to lodging similar threats against Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Associate Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh.

    Trump has not repeated his largely ignored calls for supporters to protest outside courthouses after he was federally indicted in Florida over his alleged obstruction and mishandling of classified documents after leaving the White House and in New York, where he is expected to face trial on charges of business fraud for allegedly covering up a hush money payment made during his 2016 election campaign. In Georgia, Atlanta, state and federal law enforcement officials also spent months planning for enhanced security measures before his indictment on state election-related charges there. Trump has denied all wrongdoing.

    Still, U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves described the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol as “likely the largest single day mass assault of law enforcement officers in our nation’s history.” Five people died in the attack or in the immediate aftermath, and 140 police officers were assaulted. Security analysts say Trump’s trials present a very small portion of possibilities for election year violence, for which law enforcement will be on heightened alert.

    For Trump’s Jan. 6 trial, officials weigh security around D.C. court - The Washington Post


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,282
    2023
    Did someone say, "only the best people, folks, only the best people?" In case you're keeping score of the brilliant brilliancy in all its brilliance at home:

    Trump: four indictments, 91 felony indictments. Liable for sexual assault & defamation, 88 million. Found liable for tax fraud in NY state, awaiting judgement

    Don Jr: on trial for fraud in NY state

    Eric: on trial for fraud in NY state

    NSA head, Michael Flynn: pardoned felon

    Roger Stone: pardoned felon, witness intimidation, perjury

    Campaign manager Manafort: pardoned felon

    Dep. campaign manager Gates: pardoned felon

    Steve Bannon: pardoned felon, felony charges NY state

    Chief of Staff Mark Meadows: indicted in GA, election interference. Granted immunity in federal election subversion case

    Advisor Peter Navarro: four months prison, contempt of Congress

    Advisor Corey Lewandowski: pled guilty, sexual battery in NV

    Personal lawyer, Cohen: prison time, 3 years

    Personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani: indicted in GA. $148 million verdict in defamation lawsuit.

    Carlos De Oliveira, employee Mara Lago: indicted in documents case

    Walt Nauta, personal aide: indicted in documents case

    Policy advisor, George Papadopoulos: prison time, lying to the FBI

    Business partner Felix Sater: 15 months prison, aggravated assault.

    Trump Org. CFO Allen Weisselberg: prison time, tax fraud & larceny

    Trump Org. comptroller Jeffrey McConney: indicted in NY fraud case

    Informal advisor, George Nader: 10 years prison, multiple child sex offenses

    Trump supporter Lev Parnas: 20 months prison, wire fraud

    Trump supporter Igor Furman: 12 months prison, soliciting foreign campaign $

    Friend/donor, Elliot Broidy: pardoned felon, broke foreign lobbying laws

    Friend Sam Patten: 3 years probation, funneled Russian $ to 2017 inauguration

    Trump lawyer Sidney Powell.: pled guilty to GA charges

    Trump lawyer Ken Chesebro: pled guilty to GA charges

    Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis: pled guilty to GA charges.

    First congressman to endorse Trump, Collins: 2 years prison, stock fraud

    And about 280 Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, assorted rioters imprisoned.


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    Deny, attack, reverse – Trump has perfected the art of inverted victimhood

    Sidney Blumenthal

    Trump tries to undermine allegations against him by attacking his accusers, sowing confusion and painting himself as a martyr

    Thu 1 Feb 2024 15.09 ESTLast modified on Thu 1 Feb 2024 15.42 EST

    Time after time, with predictable regularity, never missing a beat, Donald Trump proclaims his innocence. He always denies that he has done anything wrong. The charge does not matter. He is blameless. But this is only the beginning of the pattern. Then, he attacks his accusers, or anyone involved in bringing him to account, usually of committing the identical offense of which he stands accused.

    But it is not enough for him to lash out. Then, he declares himself to be the victim. Whatever it is, he is falsely accused. But his self-dramatization as the wounded sufferer is only half his story: he insists that whoever has accused him is in fact the offender. He emerges triumphant, the martyr, the truth-teller, courageously unmasking the real villain. J’accuse!

    Trump’s pattern is textbook manipulation – literally. It has a precise name given to it after decades of academic research. Jennifer Freyd, now professor emerita of psychology at the University of Oregon, developed the theory over her career studying sexual assault, trauma and institutional betrayal. She named the process by which the perpetrator seeks to avoid accountability Darvo – a strategy with the elements of denial, attack, and reversal of victim and offender.

    Don’t underestimate Nikki Haley – for starters, just look at how she gets under Trump’s skin
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    “I named the idea in the 1990s,” Freyd told me. “People can deny an accusation without resorting to Darvo. Why not just say, ‘I’m disturbed by what you’re saying, it doesn’t comport with what I remember, these are important issues, I want to understand.’ You can stick to a firm denial without being a victim. But the viciousness of the attack is intended to be silencing.”

    Freyd observes: “The people who use Darvo are different from the people who don’t … It’s a red flag.”

    Trump’s behavior in the E Jean Carroll case has been a classic exhibit. The defamation case was brought after Trump said she was “totally lying”, explaining that “she’s not my type”, about her description of his sexual assault of her in a book and a New York magazine article. He issued a formal statement from the White House on 19 July 2019: “If anyone has information that the Democratic Party is working with Ms Carroll or New York magazine, please notify us as soon as possible. The world should know what’s really going on. It is a disgrace, and people should pay dearly for such false accusations.”

    All the elements of Darvo, his familiar pattern, were present in his deflection. He denied the incident occurred: “I’ve never met this person in my life.” He attacked her: “Shame on those who make up false stories of assault to try to get publicity for themselves or sell a book or carry out a political agenda.” And he turned the tables to make himself the victim and her the aggressor deserving of punishment: “People should pay dearly for such false accusations.”

    In the first defamation trial in 2023, Judge Lewis Kaplan declared that based on the jury’s deliberations Trump had defamed her and committed rape. “… Mr Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape’,” he stated. “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr Trump in fact did exactly that.”

    The jury awarded Carroll $5m. Trump appeared on CNN the day after the judgment to call the decision “fake news” and her a “whack job”. She amended her defamation lawsuit.


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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,867
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    mickeyrat said:
    She has the trumpollini stare down to a T her face is not as pretty as everyone makes her out to be 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,169
    because thats how he "loves" the military.
    fuckstick is a fucking pussy of the highest order

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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,571
    trump’s disdain for the military and soldiers is well established. 

    That he has any support at all among conservatives shows just what a complete joke the party has become. 
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,877
    A $48 million dollar loan that never existed? This story has me wondering if tax evasion is in play. Recently he was mentioning Al Capone...and I wonder why that was on his mind. 

    Headline from Salon Magazine
    Experts: Trump may face "enhanced" penalties or criminal charges after monitor alleges fake loan
    Trump may be in bigger trouble after court-appointed monitor alleges fake $48 million loan
    Legal Analysis 
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
    2023
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/01/politics/roberta-kaplan-donald-trump-deposition-maralago?cid=ios_app

    Kaplan said she told him that his attorneys had “graciously offered to provide” her team with lunch — a common civil practice between opposing legal teams.
    “At which point there was a huge pile of documents, exhibits, sitting in front of him, and he took the pile and he just threw it across the table. And stormed out of the room,” Kaplan shared, adding that Trump specifically yelled at his lawyer Alina Habba for providing them lunch.
    “He really yelled at Alina for that. He was so mad at Alina,” she said.
    Kaplan continued: “He came back in and he said, ‘Well, how’d you like the lunch?’ And I said, ‘Well, sir, I had a banana. You know, I can never really eat when I’m taking testimony.’ And he said, ‘Well, I told you,’ — it was kind of charming. He said, ‘I told you, I told them to make you really bad sandwiches, but they can’t help themselves here. We have the best sandwiches.’”
    Kaplan was deposing Trump at Mar-Lago in a lawsuit alleging the former president was involved with a fraudulent marketing company. A federal judge dismissed the suit last month.
    In a separate anecdote, Kaplan detailed the end of the deposition when she was set to leave, saying that Trump told her: “See you next Tuesday” – a phrase that is often used as a derogatory euphemism directed at women.
    “We come in the room and I say, ‘I’m done asking questions’ and immediately I hear from the other side, ‘Off the record. Off the record. Off the record.’ So they must have planned it. And he looks at me from across the table and he says, ‘See you next Tuesday,’” she recounted.

    I can't wait for this fucker to declare bankruptcy

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,282
    2023
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/01/politics/roberta-kaplan-donald-trump-deposition-maralago?cid=ios_app

    Kaplan said she told him that his attorneys had “graciously offered to provide” her team with lunch — a common civil practice between opposing legal teams.
    “At which point there was a huge pile of documents, exhibits, sitting in front of him, and he took the pile and he just threw it across the table. And stormed out of the room,” Kaplan shared, adding that Trump specifically yelled at his lawyer Alina Habba for providing them lunch.
    “He really yelled at Alina for that. He was so mad at Alina,” she said.
    Kaplan continued: “He came back in and he said, ‘Well, how’d you like the lunch?’ And I said, ‘Well, sir, I had a banana. You know, I can never really eat when I’m taking testimony.’ And he said, ‘Well, I told you,’ — it was kind of charming. He said, ‘I told you, I told them to make you really bad sandwiches, but they can’t help themselves here. We have the best sandwiches.’”
    Kaplan was deposing Trump at Mar-Lago in a lawsuit alleging the former president was involved with a fraudulent marketing company. A federal judge dismissed the suit last month.
    In a separate anecdote, Kaplan detailed the end of the deposition when she was set to leave, saying that Trump told her: “See you next Tuesday” – a phrase that is often used as a derogatory euphemism directed at women.
    “We come in the room and I say, ‘I’m done asking questions’ and immediately I hear from the other side, ‘Off the record. Off the record. Off the record.’ So they must have planned it. And he looks at me from across the table and he says, ‘See you next Tuesday,’” she recounted.

    I can't wait for this fucker to declare bankruptcy

    Bankruptcy? Prison!
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,194
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    trump’s disdain for the military and soldiers is well established. 

    That he has any support at all among conservatives shows just what a complete joke the party has become. 
    It's really amazing that things like this have been glossed over. The first time he did it (suckers and losers, maybe?) I thought it could be a problem...that was a milestone on the way to realization that it doesn't matter what he says. The next time he did it, I knew it didn't matter.

    We're talking about people that think he has a super-human love for America when he's clearly the most self-centered person ever to hold that office...and it's not even close. Whining is strength, softness is tough, selfishness is heroic, stupidity is brilliance...etc. etc.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,571
    edited February 2
    OnWis97 said:
    trump’s disdain for the military and soldiers is well established. 

    That he has any support at all among conservatives shows just what a complete joke the party has become. 
    It's really amazing that things like this have been glossed over. The first time he did it (suckers and losers, maybe?) I thought it could be a problem...that was a milestone on the way to realization that it doesn't matter what he says. The next time he did it, I knew it didn't matter.

    We're talking about people that think he has a super-human love for America when he's clearly the most self-centered person ever to hold that office...and it's not even close. Whining is strength, softness is tough, selfishness is heroic, stupidity is brilliance...etc. etc.
    I'm not amazed anymore... there's no bottom for trump or his supporters. He can disparage the military, direct an attack on the Capitol, undermine our elections, give away our classified secrets... 

    His supporters DGAF. They're going to vote for him no matter what. 

    There is no bottom. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,282
    2023
    Let me get this straight, Fanni Willis defends her "misconduct" and "conflict of interest" in a 176-page response to the court filed request to remove her from the case and drop the charges and Bill DISBarred responds to the Team Mueller Report with 4 pages? Do I have that right?

    And, if you haven't read up on one of the defendants and current litigant in the Georgia election fraud trial that Fanni is defending herself from, I suggest you do. "Only the best people, folks, only the best people."

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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,194
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    OnWis97 said:
    trump’s disdain for the military and soldiers is well established. 

    That he has any support at all among conservatives shows just what a complete joke the party has become. 
    It's really amazing that things like this have been glossed over. The first time he did it (suckers and losers, maybe?) I thought it could be a problem...that was a milestone on the way to realization that it doesn't matter what he says. The next time he did it, I knew it didn't matter.

    We're talking about people that think he has a super-human love for America when he's clearly the most self-centered person ever to hold that office...and it's not even close. Whining is strength, softness is tough, selfishness is heroic, stupidity is brilliance...etc. etc.
    I'm not amazed anymore... there's no bottom for trump or his supporters. He can disparage the military, direct an attack on the Capitol, undermine our elections, give away our classified secrets... 

    His supporters DGAF. They're going to vote for him no matter what. 

    There is no bottom. 
    And while the devotion to Trump is far stronger than we've ever seen, I think the real problem is that all that they hear is outrage. They're constantly told to be outraged. It enables them to see past anything because what really matters is winning the domestic culture war.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,282
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    Reading through the Georgia defendants allegations against Fani and her response reads like what the militia and sovereign citizen movements attempt to do through using the courts to file frivolous lawsuits and just gum everything up. It’s nothing more than a lame ass attempt to delay the inevitable, prison time. Then again POOTWH could drop all appeals and step forth to testify and clear his sullied outstanding name and character.
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