Haha....everyone just forgets about his fake university and fake charity foundation at this point.
Exactly...how in the fuck has that not entered the conversation on a daily basis. For fucks sake if Biden had that baggage the magats would be lighting themselves on fire.
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Haha....everyone just forgets about his fake university and fake charity foundation at this point.
Exactly...how in the fuck has that not entered the conversation on a daily basis. For fucks sake if Biden had that baggage the magats would be lighting themselves on fire.
It makes perfect sense when you accept that the hypocrisy isn't a bug, but rather a feature of the supremacist mindset.
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Here is George Clooney response after Trump accused him of being a "Hollywood elite."
"Here’s the thing: I grew up in Kentucky. I sold insurance door-to-door. I sold ladies’ shoes. I worked at an all-night liquor store. I would buy suits that were too big and too long and cut the bottom of the pants off to make ties so I’d have a tie to go on job interviews. I grew up understanding what it was like to not have health insurance for eight years.
So this idea that I’m somehow the “Hollywood elite” and this guy who takes a shit in a gold toilet is somehow the man of the people is laughable.
People in Hollywood, for the most part, are people from the Midwest who moved to Hollywood to have a career. So this idea of “coastal elites” living in a bubble is ridiculous. Who lives in a bigger bubble?
He lives in a gold tower and has twelve people in his company. He doesn’t run a corporation of hundreds of thousands of people he employs and takes care of. He ran a company of twelve people!
When you direct a film you have seven different unions all wanting different things, you have to find consensus with all of them, and you have to get them moving in the same direction.
He’s never had to do any of that kind of stuff. I just look at it and I laugh when I see him say “Hollywood elite.” Hollywood elite? I don’t have a star on Hollywood Boulevard, Donald Trump has a star on Hollywood Boulevard! Fuck you!"
Here is George Clooney response after Trump accused him of being a "Hollywood elite."
"Here’s the thing: I grew up in Kentucky. I sold insurance door-to-door. I sold ladies’ shoes. I worked at an all-night liquor store. I would buy suits that were too big and too long and cut the bottom of the pants off to make ties so I’d have a tie to go on job interviews. I grew up understanding what it was like to not have health insurance for eight years.
So this idea that I’m somehow the “Hollywood elite” and this guy who takes a shit in a gold toilet is somehow the man of the people is laughable.
People in Hollywood, for the most part, are people from the Midwest who moved to Hollywood to have a career. So this idea of “coastal elites” living in a bubble is ridiculous. Who lives in a bigger bubble?
He lives in a gold tower and has twelve people in his company. He doesn’t run a corporation of hundreds of thousands of people he employs and takes care of. He ran a company of twelve people!
When you direct a film you have seven different unions all wanting different things, you have to find consensus with all of them, and you have to get them moving in the same direction.
He’s never had to do any of that kind of stuff. I just look at it and I laugh when I see him say “Hollywood elite.” Hollywood elite? I don’t have a star on Hollywood Boulevard, Donald Trump has a star on Hollywood Boulevard! Fuck you!"
- George Clooney
actor, philanthropist, humanitarian & activist
I’ll add that George Clooney is a far superior businessman than POOTWH based on his sale of Casa Amigos to Jose Cuervo and his total number of bankruptcies.
How much would your house be worth if the Trump Organization owned it?
A year offering no shortage of bad news for Donald Trump outdid itself Tuesday afternoon, with New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron ruling that the former president’s namesake business, the Trump Organization, had repeatedly and fraudulently inflated the value of its real estate properties.
The ruling held no shortage of condemnations for the company and for its lawyers, whose reliance on already-rejected arguments spurred Engoron to issue sanctions against them. But the ruling was also remarkable for its delineation of the scale of that inflation.
It was by no means a secret that Trump had a habit of overstating his net worth. This is well-documented, including in interviews where Trump announced that his net worth depended on his mood.
But there’s a difference between Trump, salesman-turned-politician overstating things to close the deal, and the Trump Organization presenting inflated data to potential lenders. In one case, Trump is trying to extract your vote in a marketplace bounded almost solely by the constraints of personal honesty and free speech. In the latter, there are legal ramifications for misleading potential investors — ramifications that the judge said should apply to the Trump Organization.
The ruling walked through the scale of the inflation undertaken by the Trump Organization over the past 10 to 15 years. For example, consider the gap in valuation given to Trump’s Seven Springs property in Westchester County, N.Y. The judge compared its appraised value with what was presented in Statements of Financial Condition (SFCs) presented to potential investors.
“Not withstanding receiving market values from professional appraisals in 2000, 2006, 2012, and 2014 valuing Seven Springs at or below $30 million, Donald Trump’s 2011 SFC reported the value to be $261 million, and his 2012, 2013 and 2014 SFCs reported the value to be $291 million.”
There is undeniably some subjectivity here, with appraised values varying over time and by appraiser. What the judge delineated, though, was a wide divergence between what the Trump Organization had been told by objective reviewers a property was worth and how the property was valued in financial documents.
At times, the valuations were explicitly based on false data, the judge noted, as in the case of Trump’s apartment in Manhattan’s Trump Tower: It was presented as extending over 30,000 square feet when, in reality, the space was only about a third of that size. Applying a price-per-square-foot to that exaggerated size meant a huge, inaccurate increase in presented value.
“A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades,” the judge wrote, “can only be considered fraud.”
The most contentious valuation was that applied to Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s home in Florida. It was presented as being worth as much as $612 million in Trump’s financial documents, despite restrictions on how the property could be used. An outside appraisal put the value closer to $28 million.
Trump’s son Eric was incensed, taking to social media Tuesday to claim that the judge was biased against his father and that, actually, Mar-a-Lago was “speculated to be worth well over a billion dollars.” And here, again, we see the gap between what you can say for political or engagement purposes and what you can drop in front of a potential business partner.
The New York Post, appearing eager to side with the longtime star of its gossip pages, scoffed at the objective appraisal included in the judge’s ruling, insisting that other assessments put the value of Mar-a-Lago at somewhere around $300 million. Those well-versed in mathematics will notice that this would still mean the $612 million Trump valuation was twice the actual worth of the property.
But here is a different approach. Instead of defending the Trump Organization’s inflation efforts, you can put them to work for you. The tool below allows you to choose a property value between $100,000 and $1 billion (for especially lucky readers) and see how those values might have been presented to investors had the Trump Organization’s inflationary metrics been applied. All of the calculations here are taken from the judge’s ruling, in which the presented value and assessed values are offered explicitly — as in the Seven Springs example above.
The tool is set at $400,000 to start, about the median sales price for U.S. homes this year.
What property value would you like to inflate? $400,000
Here are your Trump-inflated values.
If we were to inflate the value to the extent that the value of Trump Tower was inflated, your $400,000 swells to $1,091,306, an increase of $691,306.
If we apply the level of inflation used for Mar-a-Lago, we get a range from $6,181,589 to $13,602,455. Even if we use the New York Post's generous assessment, the value was still inflated, lifting your $400,000 to $816,147.
If we use the level of inflation applied to the property at Seven Springs, your $400,000 becomes $3,880,000. Using the inflation applied to the property at 40 Wall Street, we get an inflated value ranging from $1,049,400 in 2011 to $544,741 in 2015.
Then there are the golf clubs. Inflating your $400,000 to the same degree as the inflation applied to the club at Briarcliff, your investment jumps to $1,780,126. The inflation used for the club in Los Angeles raises your $400,000 to $1,415,397.
Congratulations on your sudden surge in net worth. And good luck in court.
So let me get this straight, POOTWH goes to a non-union facility in Michigan to win support from union labor during last night’s debate. In the crowd is a woman holding a union for POOTWH sign but admits she’s not in a union while another guy is holding a sign that says autoworkers for POOTWH but admits he’s not an autoworker. And Brandon is the demented one?
So let me get this straight, POOTWH goes to a non-union facility in Michigan to win support from union labor during last night’s debate. In the crowd is a woman holding a union for POOTWH sign but admits she’s not in a union while another guy is holding a sign that says autoworkers for POOTWH but admits he’s not an autoworker. And Brandon is the demented one?
... and also to talk about how EVs are destroying American jobs, and we're going to use big, strong iron and steel and fossil fuels to make big, strong, manly, American cars, and we're going to quit worrying about climate change and we're going to do it all on DAY ONE -- Day One, everyone gets their jobs back, and if you don't vote for him it will be doomsday for the auto industry.
I'm most surprised by the part where there's a non-union shop in Michigan, TBH.
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
That was hilarious when Haley said she always feels dumber after listening to him
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
That was hilarious when Haley said she always feels dumber after listening to him
She's right. He's a smart guy but he's being intentionally stupid to appeal to our MAGA friends. At this point, they will believe literally anything. They have completely suspended rational thought.
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
It was tricky dick who signed the clean air act and initiated the EPA with, god FORBID, an executive order. Oh, the horror!
The EPA that the current SCOTUS just might gut with rulings on pending cases. Koch money hard at work.
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
That was hilarious when Haley said she always feels dumber after listening to him
If only, as David Frum wrote, we knew which Nikki Haley was going to show up on future days. The Haley who shows up at debates isn't bad, by contemporary standards. (Before you get out the pitchforks: I'm not voting for ANY of them, but some would require me coming up with an exfil plan for my kid, and others would just be garden-variety bad. This is a life-or-death situation when it comes to my kid and others' kids. The Haley at the debates is garden-variety modern GOP.) The Haley who then goes around to the talk shows and yammers about the horrors of having a scary ethnic woman (!?!) as POTUS and who apologizes for the orange menace sucks almost as much as DeSantis does.
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
Seems he's trying to be the most like Trump. Then if Trump dies or cannot run for some other reason, he could pretty easily get the nomination. If Trump ends up running, the assumption is that he'll win and Vivek can pick right up where Trump left off.
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I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
That was hilarious when Haley said she always feels dumber after listening to him
If only, as David Frum wrote, we knew which Nikki Haley was going to show up on future days. The Haley who shows up at debates isn't bad, by contemporary standards. (Before you get out the pitchforks: I'm not voting for ANY of them, but some would require me coming up with an exfil plan for my kid, and others would just be garden-variety bad. This is a life-or-death situation when it comes to my kid and others' kids. The Haley at the debates is garden-variety modern GOP.) The Haley who then goes around to the talk shows and yammers about the horrors of having a scary ethnic woman (!?!) as POTUS and who apologizes for the orange menace sucks almost as much as DeSantis does.
She has some history of saying reasonable things. That said, I think she's showed us who she is plenty. She, like pretty much all of them, will put party/lib-owning first, second, and last.
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I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
That was hilarious when Haley said she always feels dumber after listening to him
She's right. He's a smart guy but he's being intentionally stupid to appeal to our MAGA friends. At this point, they will believe literally anything. They have completely suspended rational thought.
"Boob bait for rubes." I think he went to Harvard. While there are some surprisingly stupid people who went to Harvard, I'd bet he's more lazy than stupid. He knows his audience is stupid and thus figures a) he's a genius, so he's probably just automatically right about everything (see Elon Musk), and b) the audience will believe whatever he tells them that gets them riled up, anyway, so why bother with the work of learning real facts when fake facts are just as effective?
All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
Seems he's trying to be the most like Trump. Then if Trump dies or cannot run for some other reason, he could pretty easily get the nomination. If Trump ends up running, the assumption is that he'll win and Vivek can pick right up where Trump left off.
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
Seems he's trying to be the most like Trump. Then if Trump dies or cannot run for some other reason, he could pretty easily get the nomination. If Trump ends up running, the assumption is that he'll win and Vivek can pick right up where Trump left off.
he's trying to be the Obama version of Trump.
No, Onwis is right. Trump has a monopoly on the gullible, stupid voter. Vivek is hedging here, trying to be their second choice in the event that Trump is forced to drop out. That's my read. There's no other excuse for saying the stupid things he says. Like this one:
When asked about what he would have done if he were Pence.. (from Axios)
"I would have done it very differently," Ramaswamy said during an interview on NBC News' "Meet the Press" Sunday.
"I think that there was a historic opportunity that he missed to reunite this country in that window," Ramaswamy said.
"What I would have said is, 'This is a moment for a true national consensus,' where there's two elements of what's required for a functioning democracy in America," he said. "One is secure elections, and the second is a peaceful transfer of power."
Ramaswamy added that he would have asked for single-day voting, paper ballots and government-issued IDs to verify a voter's identity.
Once those reforms were in place, Ramaswamy said, he would have "certified the election results, served it up to the president" and "declared the reelection campaign pursuant to a free and fair election."
Now of course he doesn't have the power to do any of those, and certainly not on Jan 6th. And then, without a hint of irony, he also stated that he would:
"He's proposing a constitutional amendment that would require citizens 18 to 24 to pass a civics test in order to vote — the same one immigrants take to become naturalized U.S. citizens. Under his proposal, young Americans could, as an alternative, perform six months of military or first-responder service. But if none of these requirements are met, they would have to wait until they turn 25 before they could vote in their first election.: - NBC News
Now of course the irony is that he wants young people to take a civics test, but if you believe his VP comments, he doesn't know what the fuck the VP even does.
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
Seems he's trying to be the most like Trump. Then if Trump dies or cannot run for some other reason, he could pretty easily get the nomination. If Trump ends up running, the assumption is that he'll win and Vivek can pick right up where Trump left off.
I think the base is too racist to vote for someone with dark skin whose name they can't spell, but I DO think he's positioning himself to be VP and then POTUS-for-life when time eventually vanquishes the orange menace.
ETA: He's doing what DeSantis wanted to do, but he's doing it better, because DeSantis just can't quite convince the base that he's a real human.
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All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
Seems he's trying to be the most like Trump. Then if Trump dies or cannot run for some other reason, he could pretty easily get the nomination. If Trump ends up running, the assumption is that he'll win and Vivek can pick right up where Trump left off.
he's trying to be the Obama version of Trump.
No, Onwis is right. Trump has a monopoly on the gullible, stupid voter. Vivek is hedging here, trying to be their second choice in the event that Trump is forced to drop out. That's my read. There's no other excuse for saying the stupid things he says. Like this one:
When asked about what he would have done if he were Pence.. (from Axios)
"I would have done it very differently," Ramaswamy said during an interview on NBC News' "Meet the Press" Sunday.
"I think that there was a historic opportunity that he missed to reunite this country in that window," Ramaswamy said.
"What I would have said is, 'This is a moment for a true national consensus,' where there's two elements of what's required for a functioning democracy in America," he said. "One is secure elections, and the second is a peaceful transfer of power."
Ramaswamy added that he would have asked for single-day voting, paper ballots and government-issued IDs to verify a voter's identity.
Once those reforms were in place, Ramaswamy said, he would have "certified the election results, served it up to the president" and "declared the reelection campaign pursuant to a free and fair election."
Now of course he doesn't have the power to do any of those, and certainly not on Jan 6th. And then, without a hint of irony, he also stated that he would:
"He's proposing a constitutional amendment that would require citizens 18 to 24 to pass a civics test in order to vote — the same one immigrants take to become naturalized U.S. citizens. Under his proposal, young Americans could, as an alternative, perform six months of military or first-responder service. But if none of these requirements are met, they would have to wait until they turn 25 before they could vote in their first election.: - NBC News
Now of course the irony is that he wants young people to take a civics test, but if you believe his VP comments, he doesn't know what the fuck the VP even does.
I know at least one former tRump supporter who is on the Vivek bandwagon now. He's pretty stupid but at least he's beyond tRump....maybe
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
Seems he's trying to be the most like Trump. Then if Trump dies or cannot run for some other reason, he could pretty easily get the nomination. If Trump ends up running, the assumption is that he'll win and Vivek can pick right up where Trump left off.
he's trying to be the Obama version of Trump.
No, Onwis is right. Trump has a monopoly on the gullible, stupid voter. Vivek is hedging here, trying to be their second choice in the event that Trump is forced to drop out. That's my read. There's no other excuse for saying the stupid things he says. Like this one:
When asked about what he would have done if he were Pence.. (from Axios)
"I would have done it very differently," Ramaswamy said during an interview on NBC News' "Meet the Press" Sunday.
"I think that there was a historic opportunity that he missed to reunite this country in that window," Ramaswamy said.
"What I would have said is, 'This is a moment for a true national consensus,' where there's two elements of what's required for a functioning democracy in America," he said. "One is secure elections, and the second is a peaceful transfer of power."
Ramaswamy added that he would have asked for single-day voting, paper ballots and government-issued IDs to verify a voter's identity.
Once those reforms were in place, Ramaswamy said, he would have "certified the election results, served it up to the president" and "declared the reelection campaign pursuant to a free and fair election."
Now of course he doesn't have the power to do any of those, and certainly not on Jan 6th. And then, without a hint of irony, he also stated that he would:
"He's proposing a constitutional amendment that would require citizens 18 to 24 to pass a civics test in order to vote — the same one immigrants take to become naturalized U.S. citizens. Under his proposal, young Americans could, as an alternative, perform six months of military or first-responder service. But if none of these requirements are met, they would have to wait until they turn 25 before they could vote in their first election.: - NBC News
Now of course the irony is that he wants young people to take a civics test, but if you believe his VP comments, he doesn't know what the fuck the VP even does.
I know at least one former tRump supporter who is on the Vivek bandwagon now. He's pretty stupid but at least he's beyond tRump....maybe
"As Trump's vice president, I would have very quickly written a bill guaranteeing free and fair elections and signed it into law. All on Jan 6th".
"Also, young Americans are stupid and should not vote until they prove they are smart, like me".
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
Seems he's trying to be the most like Trump. Then if Trump dies or cannot run for some other reason, he could pretty easily get the nomination. If Trump ends up running, the assumption is that he'll win and Vivek can pick right up where Trump left off.
I think the base is too racist to vote for someone with dark skin whose name they can't spell, but I DO think he's positioning himself to be VP and then POTUS-for-life when time eventually vanquishes the orange menace.
ETA: He's doing what DeSantis wanted to do, but he's doing it better, because DeSantis just can't quite convince the base that he's a real human.
wait until they start using his middle name, like "barack HUSSEIN obama".
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
Seems he's trying to be the most like Trump. Then if Trump dies or cannot run for some other reason, he could pretty easily get the nomination. If Trump ends up running, the assumption is that he'll win and Vivek can pick right up where Trump left off.
he's trying to be the Obama version of Trump.
No, Onwis is right. Trump has a monopoly on the gullible, stupid voter. Vivek is hedging here, trying to be their second choice in the event that Trump is forced to drop out. That's my read. There's no other excuse for saying the stupid things he says. Like this one:
When asked about what he would have done if he were Pence.. (from Axios)
"I would have done it very differently," Ramaswamy said during an interview on NBC News' "Meet the Press" Sunday.
"I think that there was a historic opportunity that he missed to reunite this country in that window," Ramaswamy said.
"What I would have said is, 'This is a moment for a true national consensus,' where there's two elements of what's required for a functioning democracy in America," he said. "One is secure elections, and the second is a peaceful transfer of power."
Ramaswamy added that he would have asked for single-day voting, paper ballots and government-issued IDs to verify a voter's identity.
Once those reforms were in place, Ramaswamy said, he would have "certified the election results, served it up to the president" and "declared the reelection campaign pursuant to a free and fair election."
Now of course he doesn't have the power to do any of those, and certainly not on Jan 6th. And then, without a hint of irony, he also stated that he would:
"He's proposing a constitutional amendment that would require citizens 18 to 24 to pass a civics test in order to vote — the same one immigrants take to become naturalized U.S. citizens. Under his proposal, young Americans could, as an alternative, perform six months of military or first-responder service. But if none of these requirements are met, they would have to wait until they turn 25 before they could vote in their first election.: - NBC News
Now of course the irony is that he wants young people to take a civics test, but if you believe his VP comments, he doesn't know what the fuck the VP even does.
I know at least one former tRump supporter who is on the Vivek bandwagon now. He's pretty stupid but at least he's beyond tRump....maybe
"As Trump's vice president, I would have very quickly written a bill guaranteeing free and fair elections and signed it into law. All on Jan 6th".
"Also, young Americans are stupid and should not vote until they prove they are smart, like me".
I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
Seems he's trying to be the most like Trump. Then if Trump dies or cannot run for some other reason, he could pretty easily get the nomination. If Trump ends up running, the assumption is that he'll win and Vivek can pick right up where Trump left off.
I think the base is too racist to vote for someone with dark skin whose name they can't spell, but I DO think he's positioning himself to be VP and then POTUS-for-life when time eventually vanquishes the orange menace.
ETA: He's doing what DeSantis wanted to do, but he's doing it better, because DeSantis just can't quite convince the base that he's a real human.
wait until they start using his middle name, like "barack HUSSEIN obama".
or Haley's real name...Nimarata Nikki Randhawa
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I remember being told, way back in the old days when I was a kid, how conservatives took the "conserve" part of their name seriously and wanted to protect the environment. "Destroying the planet to own the libs" is another move I just don't understand.
yeah Vivek was yammering about burning coal and gasoline engines last night....fucking moron
He's like a weird troll. He's just trying to lock in the "stupid" crowd by saying outrageous things.
Seems he's trying to be the most like Trump. Then if Trump dies or cannot run for some other reason, he could pretty easily get the nomination. If Trump ends up running, the assumption is that he'll win and Vivek can pick right up where Trump left off.
I think the base is too racist to vote for someone with dark skin whose name they can't spell, but I DO think he's positioning himself to be VP and then POTUS-for-life when time eventually vanquishes the orange menace.
ETA: He's doing what DeSantis wanted to do, but he's doing it better, because DeSantis just can't quite convince the base that he's a real human.
wait until they start using his middle name, like "barack HUSSEIN obama".
or Haley's real name...Nimarata Nikki Randhawa
right, full blood SE Asian Indian using scare tactics about the Jamaican/Tamil Indian VP.....
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How much would your house be worth if the Trump Organization owned it?
A year offering no shortage of bad news for Donald Trump outdid itself Tuesday afternoon, with New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron ruling that the former president’s namesake business, the Trump Organization, had repeatedly and fraudulently inflated the value of its real estate properties.The ruling held no shortage of condemnations for the company and for its lawyers, whose reliance on already-rejected arguments spurred Engoron to issue sanctions against them. But the ruling was also remarkable for its delineation of the scale of that inflation.
It was by no means a secret that Trump had a habit of overstating his net worth. This is well-documented, including in interviews where Trump announced that his net worth depended on his mood.
But there’s a difference between Trump, salesman-turned-politician overstating things to close the deal, and the Trump Organization presenting inflated data to potential lenders. In one case, Trump is trying to extract your vote in a marketplace bounded almost solely by the constraints of personal honesty and free speech. In the latter, there are legal ramifications for misleading potential investors — ramifications that the judge said should apply to the Trump Organization.
The ruling walked through the scale of the inflation undertaken by the Trump Organization over the past 10 to 15 years. For example, consider the gap in valuation given to Trump’s Seven Springs property in Westchester County, N.Y. The judge compared its appraised value with what was presented in Statements of Financial Condition (SFCs) presented to potential investors.
There is undeniably some subjectivity here, with appraised values varying over time and by appraiser. What the judge delineated, though, was a wide divergence between what the Trump Organization had been told by objective reviewers a property was worth and how the property was valued in financial documents.
At times, the valuations were explicitly based on false data, the judge noted, as in the case of Trump’s apartment in Manhattan’s Trump Tower: It was presented as extending over 30,000 square feet when, in reality, the space was only about a third of that size. Applying a price-per-square-foot to that exaggerated size meant a huge, inaccurate increase in presented value.
“A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades,” the judge wrote, “can only be considered fraud.”
The most contentious valuation was that applied to Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s home in Florida. It was presented as being worth as much as $612 million in Trump’s financial documents, despite restrictions on how the property could be used. An outside appraisal put the value closer to $28 million.
Trump’s son Eric was incensed, taking to social media Tuesday to claim that the judge was biased against his father and that, actually, Mar-a-Lago was “speculated to be worth well over a billion dollars.” And here, again, we see the gap between what you can say for political or engagement purposes and what you can drop in front of a potential business partner.
The New York Post, appearing eager to side with the longtime star of its gossip pages, scoffed at the objective appraisal included in the judge’s ruling, insisting that other assessments put the value of Mar-a-Lago at somewhere around $300 million. Those well-versed in mathematics will notice that this would still mean the $612 million Trump valuation was twice the actual worth of the property.
But here is a different approach. Instead of defending the Trump Organization’s inflation efforts, you can put them to work for you. The tool below allows you to choose a property value between $100,000 and $1 billion (for especially lucky readers) and see how those values might have been presented to investors had the Trump Organization’s inflationary metrics been applied. All of the calculations here are taken from the judge’s ruling, in which the presented value and assessed values are offered explicitly — as in the Seven Springs example above.
The tool is set at $400,000 to start, about the median sales price for U.S. homes this year.
What property value would you like to inflate? $400,000
Here are your Trump-inflated values.
If we were to inflate the value to the extent that the value of Trump Tower was inflated, your $400,000 swells to $1,091,306, an increase of $691,306.
If we apply the level of inflation used for Mar-a-Lago, we get a range from $6,181,589 to $13,602,455. Even if we use the New York Post's generous assessment, the value was still inflated, lifting your $400,000 to $816,147.
If we use the level of inflation applied to the property at Seven Springs, your $400,000 becomes $3,880,000. Using the inflation applied to the property at 40 Wall Street, we get an inflated value ranging from $1,049,400 in 2011 to $544,741 in 2015.
Then there are the golf clubs. Inflating your $400,000 to the same degree as the inflation applied to the club at Briarcliff, your investment jumps to $1,780,126. The inflation used for the club in Los Angeles raises your $400,000 to $1,415,397.
Congratulations on your sudden surge in net worth. And good luck in court.
How much would your house be worth if the Trump Organization owned it? - The Washington Post
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This country is really going to hell.
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The EPA that the current SCOTUS just might gut with rulings on pending cases. Koch money hard at work.
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If only, as David Frum wrote, we knew which Nikki Haley was going to show up on future days. The Haley who shows up at debates isn't bad, by contemporary standards. (Before you get out the pitchforks: I'm not voting for ANY of them, but some would require me coming up with an exfil plan for my kid, and others would just be garden-variety bad. This is a life-or-death situation when it comes to my kid and others' kids. The Haley at the debates is garden-variety modern GOP.) The Haley who then goes around to the talk shows and yammers about the horrors of having a scary ethnic woman (!?!) as POTUS and who apologizes for the orange menace sucks almost as much as DeSantis does.
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When asked about what he would have done if he were Pence.. (from Axios)
"I would have done it very differently," Ramaswamy said during an interview on NBC News' "Meet the Press" Sunday.
Once those reforms were in place, Ramaswamy said, he would have "certified the election results, served it up to the president" and "declared the reelection campaign pursuant to a free and fair election."
Now of course he doesn't have the power to do any of those, and certainly not on Jan 6th. And then, without a hint of irony, he also stated that he would:
"He's proposing a constitutional amendment that would require citizens 18 to 24 to pass a civics test in order to vote — the same one immigrants take to become naturalized U.S. citizens. Under his proposal, young Americans could, as an alternative, perform six months of military or first-responder service. But if none of these requirements are met, they would have to wait until they turn 25 before they could vote in their first election.: - NBC News
Now of course the irony is that he wants young people to take a civics test, but if you believe his VP comments, he doesn't know what the fuck the VP even does.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
"Also, young Americans are stupid and should not vote until they prove they are smart, like me".
Mic drop.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
right, full blood SE Asian Indian using scare tactics about the Jamaican/Tamil Indian VP.....
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14