There goes the accordion playing 😂😂 keep digging that fox hole you’ll be in it by yourself! How can a wounded veteran listen to this and say yep that’s who I want for the leader of this country?
Is anyone watching this senile, demented rambling word salad of a candidate? No jobs by the time the marxists destroy this country.
Just you
You would benefit from watching the reality of the choices before us but you do you.
I benefit more from not.
what benefit do you get ? You know more about him than his most avid supporters. You have screen shots of him in various poses on demand.
Witnessing reality. A major political party’s candidate for POTUS is way too old and demented to have their finger on the button. You should be calling for POOTWH to step down.
Is anyone watching this senile, demented rambling word salad of a candidate? No jobs by the time the marxists destroy this country.
Just you
You would benefit from watching the reality of the choices before us but you do you.
I benefit more from not.
what benefit do you get ? You know more about him than his most avid supporters. You have screen shots of him in various poses on demand.
Witnessing reality. A major political party’s candidate for POTUS is way too old and demented to have their finger on the button. You should be calling for POOTWH to step down.
He just praised Xi and Chiiiiiiiiiiiina.
It’s as if some people have been so sheltered (no common sense) they don’t believe a whole country can fall apart even though history clearly proves it’s possible.
Honestly, this was all hilarious. Although I don't know how H2M can stomach watching the equivalent of Styx doing their greatest hits tour for the 9th straight year.
Honestly, this was all hilarious. Although I don't know how H2M can stomach watching the equivalent of Styx doing their greatest hits tour for the 9th straight year.
Is anyone watching this senile, demented rambling word salad of a candidate? No jobs by the time the marxists destroy this country.
Just you
You would benefit from watching the reality of the choices before us but you do you.
I benefit more from not.
what benefit do you get ? You know more about him than his most avid supporters. You have screen shots of him in various poses on demand.
Witnessing reality. A major political party’s candidate for POTUS is way too old and demented to have their finger on the button. You should be calling for POOTWH to step down.
Is anyone watching this senile, demented rambling word salad of a candidate? No jobs by the time the marxists destroy this country.
Just you
You would benefit from watching the reality of the choices before us but you do you.
I benefit more from not.
what benefit do you get ? You know more about him than his most avid supporters. You have screen shots of him in various poses on demand.
Witnessing reality. A major political party’s candidate for POTUS is way too old and demented to have their finger on the button. You should be calling for POOTWH to step down.
He just praised Xi and Chiiiiiiiiiiiina.
Why should I be calling him to step down?
Should have watched his rambling word salad today. Ignorance is bliss.
Is anyone watching this senile, demented rambling word salad of a candidate? No jobs by the time the marxists destroy this country.
Just you
You would benefit from watching the reality of the choices before us but you do you.
I benefit more from not.
what benefit do you get ? You know more about him than his most avid supporters. You have screen shots of him in various poses on demand.
Witnessing reality. A major political party’s candidate for POTUS is way too old and demented to have their finger on the button. You should be calling for POOTWH to step down.
He just praised Xi and Chiiiiiiiiiiiina.
Why should I be calling him to step down?
Should have watched his rambling word salad today. Ignorance is bliss.
You’re calling me ignorant? Because I’m not obsessed? What more could I possibly need to hear from him that he hasn’t said before?
Is anyone watching this senile, demented rambling word salad of a candidate? No jobs by the time the marxists destroy this country.
Just you
You would benefit from watching the reality of the choices before us but you do you.
I benefit more from not.
what benefit do you get ? You know more about him than his most avid supporters. You have screen shots of him in various poses on demand.
Witnessing reality. A major political party’s candidate for POTUS is way too old and demented to have their finger on the button. You should be calling for POOTWH to step down.
He just praised Xi and Chiiiiiiiiiiiina.
Why should I be calling him to step down?
Should have watched his rambling word salad today. Ignorance is bliss.
You’re calling me ignorant? Because I’m not obsessed? What more could I possibly need to hear from him that he hasn’t said before?
Then, if that were the case, you wouldn’t have had to ask the question. Like I said, you do you.
Is anyone watching this senile, demented rambling word salad of a candidate? No jobs by the time the marxists destroy this country.
Just you
You would benefit from watching the reality of the choices before us but you do you.
I benefit more from not.
what benefit do you get ? You know more about him than his most avid supporters. You have screen shots of him in various poses on demand.
Witnessing reality. A major political party’s candidate for POTUS is way too old and demented to have their finger on the button. You should be calling for POOTWH to step down.
He just praised Xi and Chiiiiiiiiiiiina.
Why should I be calling him to step down?
Should have watched his rambling word salad today. Ignorance is bliss.
You’re calling me ignorant? Because I’m not obsessed? What more could I possibly need to hear from him that he hasn’t said before?
Then, if that were the case, you wouldn’t have had to ask the question. Like I said, you do you.
Is anyone watching this senile, demented rambling word salad of a candidate? No jobs by the time the marxists destroy this country.
Just you
You would benefit from watching the reality of the choices before us but you do you.
I benefit more from not.
what benefit do you get ? You know more about him than his most avid supporters. You have screen shots of him in various poses on demand.
Witnessing reality. A major political party’s candidate for POTUS is way too old and demented to have their finger on the button. You should be calling for POOTWH to step down.
He just praised Xi and Chiiiiiiiiiiiina.
Why should I be calling him to step down?
Should have watched his rambling word salad today. Ignorance is bliss.
You’re calling me ignorant? Because I’m not obsessed? What more could I possibly need to hear from him that he hasn’t said before?
Then, if that were the case, you wouldn’t have had to ask the question. Like I said, you do you.
Is anyone watching this senile, demented rambling word salad of a candidate? No jobs by the time the marxists destroy this country.
Just you
You would benefit from watching the reality of the choices before us but you do you.
I benefit more from not.
what benefit do you get ? You know more about him than his most avid supporters. You have screen shots of him in various poses on demand.
Witnessing reality. A major political party’s candidate for POTUS is way too old and demented to have their finger on the button. You should be calling for POOTWH to step down.
He just praised Xi and Chiiiiiiiiiiiina.
Why should I be calling him to step down?
Should have watched his rambling word salad today. Ignorance is bliss.
You’re calling me ignorant? Because I’m not obsessed? What more could I possibly need to hear from him that he hasn’t said before?
Then, if that were the case, you wouldn’t have had to ask the question. Like I said, you do you.
'Hillbilly Elegy' is back in the spotlight. These Appalachians write a different tale
By
Clayton Kincade
Published August 17, 2024 at 5:00 AM EDT
Bill Tompkins/Getty Images
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Michael Ochs Archives
A photograph of Hillbilly Elegy by JD Vance.
Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis, the 2016 memoir from Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance, once again began flying
off the shelves after former President Donald Trump named Vance as his
running mate. Many have turned to the memoir to find out the story of
Vance’s upbringing, a core part of why he’s on the Republican ticket to
begin with. But the book also brings along a host of assumptions that
many authors still find not to be true.
Pulitzer-winning author Barbara Kingsolver said she felt that it was
her duty to tell a different story of Appalachian life than the one that
Vance presented in the book.
“It used the same old victim-blaming trope. It was like a hero story:
‘I got out of here, I went to Yale,’” Kingsolver said of Vance. “‘But
those lazy people, you know, just don't have ambitions. They don’t have
brains. That’s why they’re stuck where they are.’ I disagree. And that’s
my job, to tell a different story.”
Vance’s has been mired in controversy since its 2016 publication, especially
by authors who cover the region. Vance, who writes that Appalachian
culture “encourages social decay instead of counteracting it,” says this
upbringing is central to his political ideology and thinking.
Many Appalachian authors, like Kingsolver, have worked tirelessly to
combat what they feel is a misleading and even harmful depiction of the
region. Her novel Demon Copperhead, a fictional window into the same communities, was named one of the New York Times’ best books of the century just days ahead of the Republican National Convention. Last year, it won a Pulitzer Prize.
As hundreds of thousands more read about the plights of the
Appalachian region, these authors are fighting back against what they
describe as Vance’s assumed norms.
Overcoming “Hillbilly Elegy”
Vance writes in Hillbilly Elegy that he grew up most of his
life in Middletown, Ohio, but spent summers and his free time until the
age of 12 in Jackson, Ky. Vance adds that Jackson “was the one place
that belonged to me.”
Vance’s first stop after the RNC was to a rally in Middletown, where
he declared, “I love every one of you, and I love this town, and I'm so
grateful to have been formed by it, because I wouldn't be who I was
without it.”
But Vance’s claim to the area has created a cultural rift between him and those from Appalachia.
Kingsolver said that when she saw Vance’s recently resurfaced interview calling
several Democrats “childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own
lives and the choices that they’ve made,” it reaffirmed her
disappointments with Hillbilly Elegy.
“When I read JD Vance’s memoir, I resented it all the way through.
There was just something about it that kept telling me, he’s not from
here, he doesn’t get us,” Kingsolver told NPR. “I thought, OK, you are
not from here because when I think about my childhood, many of the most
important women in my life who saved me, who took care of me, were
childless women. It’s not just blood that defines community here.”
It’s not just Kingsolver who has an alternate narrative.
Meredith McCarroll and Anthony Harkins co-edited Appalachian Reckoning: A Region Responds to Hillbilly Elegy, a blend of scholarly, poetic and narrative rebuttals to Vance’s tale published in 2019.
Harkins, a professor of history at Western Kentucky University, said that Hillbilly Elegy loses its footing by generalizing one person’s narrative into a definitive account of the entire region.
“It’s totally legitimate for anybody to tell their own story and how
they see it,” Harkins told NPR. “But to then present it as the story of
Appalachia, to speak of a memoir of a culture, is problematic
particularly because that region has so often been stereotyped and
misrepresented through recent history.”
McCarroll, director of writing and rhetoric at Bowdoin College and an
Appalachian native of Waynesville, N.C., said that the duo’s goal with
the book was to spotlight a chorus of Appalachian voices in response to Elegy’s immense popularity, both existing on their own and in opposition to the text.
“My inclination was to gather a lot of different voices, both that
are challenging him but not speaking to him at all,” McCarroll told NPR.
“It’s this weaving together of a lot of different authentic
perspectives that can give a sense of how layered and complex this 13
state region is.”
McCarroll added that beyond Hillbilly Elegy, she wanted Appalachian Reckoning to counter the idea of Appalachia as a monolithic place.
“The back half of the book moved beyond Hillbilly Elegy, and
really is just a collection of narratives from the region that you can’t
read and come away thinking you understand Appalachia,” McCarroll said.
“No one should say, ‘I read one book, and so I understand this
region.’”
Writing the full truth
For these writers, telling the honest story of Appalachia is tantamount–even if they start difficult conversations.
Elizabeth Catte, historian and author of What You Are Getting Wrong About Appalachia, published
in 2018, said that books about Appalachia fall short for her when
authors lean on inauthentic stereotypes in pursuit of authenticity.
“Sometimes people try to make up for personal knowledge or experience
or study of a region by laying a bunch of tropes on a book and calling
it authentic,” Catte told NPR. “Sometimes you don’t get a sense that
Appalachia has a history, that it’s just a place full of problems, but
none of those problems have an origin, or the origin is uninteresting to
the author.”
Vance’s story has resonated with conservatives and non-Appalachians
alike. In the wake of the 2016 election, the book became an explanation
of sorts for some liberals as to who Trump’s supporters were and how he
managed to win the presidency. One op-ed described Bostonians as “lapping up” the tale.
Jeffrey Dean / AP
/
AP
JD Vance autographs a book after a rally on July 1, 2021, in Middletown, Ohio.
The book became a best-seller and later was adapted into a movie. But
for those from the region, crucial pieces of the puzzle that Vance
painted are missing.
Harkins said that when discussing Appalachian history, texts must
keep economic context in mind, like Appalachia’s political and cultural
history with coal, when thinking about how the past has turned into the present.
“You can’t speak about the experience of Appalachia in the last
hundred years without thinking about the massive effects that economic
change have brought to it, in a place that is often the product of
extractive industry, whether it’s lumbering or coal or fracking,”
Harkins said. “One of the concerns I have with seeing it through the
prism of Hillbilly Elegy is often that most of that stuff is not part of the story.”
Vance’s politics might not land with all readers, but he focused much
of his Republican National Convention speech, which he gave just two
days after being named to the ticket, on his relationship
with his mom and grandma. These relationships are where these authors
have found a common ground. For Kingsolver’s fictional quest, it was
similarly important to keep Demon’s humanity front and center, both for
the reader and for herself.
“I was kind of scared to write this novel for several years because
you can’t bludgeon people with sadness or with truths that are hard to
bear,” Kingsolver said. “Unless you give it a really delicious package.
You have to give people a reason to turn the page. You have to give
people characters that they love and believe in, that they honestly
start to care about as their friend.”
The power of representation
Kingsolver said that when Demon Copperhead won the Pulitzer Prize last year, Appalachia rejoiced like Appalachia does.
“It was like fireworks all up and down the mountain,” Kingsolver
said. “So many people from here, even my mail carrier and the cashier at
the grocery store, said, ‘This is amazing. We won.’”
The novel has appealed to more than Appalachians: It unanimously won the 2023’s Women Prize, and more recently, it ranked No. 1 on the New York Times’ readers’ “Best Books of the Century” list–and No. 61 on the critics’ list.
McCarroll said that with novels coming out today like Demon Copperhead, it is hard to stay upset at the negative aspects of Hillbilly Elegy.
“What’s so exciting is that there are so many really diverse,
beautiful stories that are really offering complicated perspectives, and
so it’s like I don’t feel like I have to stay mad at Hillbilly Elegy,” McCarroll said. “There’s a long history of Appalachian literature, too.”
McCarroll added that a variety of stories is important because they add texture to a region too often boxed into one corner.
“What a Black Appalachian coal miner in Pennsylvania is experiencing
might be very different from a Mexican migrant worker in Western North
Carolina is experiencing, which might be really different than what a
third- or fourth-generation farmer who is white in Kentucky is
experiencing,” McCarroll said.
Kingsolver said that when writing Demon Copperhead, it was important to combat assumptions made by mainstream media outlets about Appalachia.
“I think they miss our diversity. They think we’re all white, and
we’re not. It was important for me to reflect that in this novel,”
Kingsolver said. “I wanted it to be the great Appalachian novel that
kind of puts our whole region in a context. We didn’t choose to have
poverty and [high] unemployment. We didn’t ask for that. This came to
us.”
Kingsolver added that it has been especially gratifying hearing from
people whose perspective on Appalachia changed after reading her novel.
“I have heard from lots and lots and lots of people in other parts of
the country who said, ‘This book asked me to evaluate my prejudices,
and I thank you for that,’ ” Kingsolver said. “It’s amazing.”
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Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis, the 2016 memoir from Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance, once again began flying off the shelves after former President Donald Trump named Vance as his running mate. Many have turned to the memoir to find out the story of Vance’s upbringing, a core part of why he’s on the Republican ticket to begin with. But the book also brings along a host of assumptions that many authors still find not to be true.
Pulitzer-winning author Barbara Kingsolver said she felt that it was her duty to tell a different story of Appalachian life than the one that Vance presented in the book.
“It used the same old victim-blaming trope. It was like a hero story: ‘I got out of here, I went to Yale,’” Kingsolver said of Vance. “‘But those lazy people, you know, just don't have ambitions. They don’t have brains. That’s why they’re stuck where they are.’ I disagree. And that’s my job, to tell a different story.”
Vance’s has been mired in controversy since its 2016 publication, especially by authors who cover the region. Vance, who writes that Appalachian culture “encourages social decay instead of counteracting it,” says this upbringing is central to his political ideology and thinking.
Many Appalachian authors, like Kingsolver, have worked tirelessly to combat what they feel is a misleading and even harmful depiction of the region. Her novel Demon Copperhead, a fictional window into the same communities, was named one of the New York Times’ best books of the century just days ahead of the Republican National Convention. Last year, it won a Pulitzer Prize.
As hundreds of thousands more read about the plights of the Appalachian region, these authors are fighting back against what they describe as Vance’s assumed norms.
Overcoming “Hillbilly Elegy”
Vance writes in Hillbilly Elegy that he grew up most of his life in Middletown, Ohio, but spent summers and his free time until the age of 12 in Jackson, Ky. Vance adds that Jackson “was the one place that belonged to me.”
Vance’s first stop after the RNC was to a rally in Middletown, where he declared, “I love every one of you, and I love this town, and I'm so grateful to have been formed by it, because I wouldn't be who I was without it.”
But Vance’s claim to the area has created a cultural rift between him and those from Appalachia.
Kingsolver said that when she saw Vance’s recently resurfaced interview calling several Democrats “childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they’ve made,” it reaffirmed her disappointments with Hillbilly Elegy.
“When I read JD Vance’s memoir, I resented it all the way through. There was just something about it that kept telling me, he’s not from here, he doesn’t get us,” Kingsolver told NPR. “I thought, OK, you are not from here because when I think about my childhood, many of the most important women in my life who saved me, who took care of me, were childless women. It’s not just blood that defines community here.”
It’s not just Kingsolver who has an alternate narrative.
Meredith McCarroll and Anthony Harkins co-edited Appalachian Reckoning: A Region Responds to Hillbilly Elegy, a blend of scholarly, poetic and narrative rebuttals to Vance’s tale published in 2019.
Harkins, a professor of history at Western Kentucky University, said that Hillbilly Elegy loses its footing by generalizing one person’s narrative into a definitive account of the entire region.
“It’s totally legitimate for anybody to tell their own story and how they see it,” Harkins told NPR. “But to then present it as the story of Appalachia, to speak of a memoir of a culture, is problematic particularly because that region has so often been stereotyped and misrepresented through recent history.”
McCarroll, director of writing and rhetoric at Bowdoin College and an Appalachian native of Waynesville, N.C., said that the duo’s goal with the book was to spotlight a chorus of Appalachian voices in response to Elegy’s immense popularity, both existing on their own and in opposition to the text.
“My inclination was to gather a lot of different voices, both that are challenging him but not speaking to him at all,” McCarroll told NPR. “It’s this weaving together of a lot of different authentic perspectives that can give a sense of how layered and complex this 13 state region is.”
McCarroll added that beyond Hillbilly Elegy, she wanted Appalachian Reckoning to counter the idea of Appalachia as a monolithic place.
“The back half of the book moved beyond Hillbilly Elegy, and really is just a collection of narratives from the region that you can’t read and come away thinking you understand Appalachia,” McCarroll said. “No one should say, ‘I read one book, and so I understand this region.’”
Writing the full truth
For these writers, telling the honest story of Appalachia is tantamount–even if they start difficult conversations.
Elizabeth Catte, historian and author of What You Are Getting Wrong About Appalachia, published in 2018, said that books about Appalachia fall short for her when authors lean on inauthentic stereotypes in pursuit of authenticity.
“Sometimes people try to make up for personal knowledge or experience or study of a region by laying a bunch of tropes on a book and calling it authentic,” Catte told NPR. “Sometimes you don’t get a sense that Appalachia has a history, that it’s just a place full of problems, but none of those problems have an origin, or the origin is uninteresting to the author.”
Vance’s story has resonated with conservatives and non-Appalachians alike. In the wake of the 2016 election, the book became an explanation of sorts for some liberals as to who Trump’s supporters were and how he managed to win the presidency. One op-ed described Bostonians as “lapping up” the tale.
The book became a best-seller and later was adapted into a movie. But for those from the region, crucial pieces of the puzzle that Vance painted are missing.
Harkins said that when discussing Appalachian history, texts must keep economic context in mind, like Appalachia’s political and cultural history with coal, when thinking about how the past has turned into the present.
“You can’t speak about the experience of Appalachia in the last hundred years without thinking about the massive effects that economic change have brought to it, in a place that is often the product of extractive industry, whether it’s lumbering or coal or fracking,” Harkins said. “One of the concerns I have with seeing it through the prism of Hillbilly Elegy is often that most of that stuff is not part of the story.”
Vance’s politics might not land with all readers, but he focused much of his Republican National Convention speech, which he gave just two days after being named to the ticket, on his relationship with his mom and grandma. These relationships are where these authors have found a common ground. For Kingsolver’s fictional quest, it was similarly important to keep Demon’s humanity front and center, both for the reader and for herself.
“I was kind of scared to write this novel for several years because you can’t bludgeon people with sadness or with truths that are hard to bear,” Kingsolver said. “Unless you give it a really delicious package. You have to give people a reason to turn the page. You have to give people characters that they love and believe in, that they honestly start to care about as their friend.”
The power of representation
Kingsolver said that when Demon Copperhead won the Pulitzer Prize last year, Appalachia rejoiced like Appalachia does.
“It was like fireworks all up and down the mountain,” Kingsolver said. “So many people from here, even my mail carrier and the cashier at the grocery store, said, ‘This is amazing. We won.’”
The novel has appealed to more than Appalachians: It unanimously won the 2023’s Women Prize, and more recently, it ranked No. 1 on the New York Times’ readers’ “Best Books of the Century” list–and No. 61 on the critics’ list.
McCarroll said that with novels coming out today like Demon Copperhead, it is hard to stay upset at the negative aspects of Hillbilly Elegy.
“What’s so exciting is that there are so many really diverse, beautiful stories that are really offering complicated perspectives, and so it’s like I don’t feel like I have to stay mad at Hillbilly Elegy,” McCarroll said. “There’s a long history of Appalachian literature, too.”
McCarroll added that a variety of stories is important because they add texture to a region too often boxed into one corner.
“What a Black Appalachian coal miner in Pennsylvania is experiencing might be very different from a Mexican migrant worker in Western North Carolina is experiencing, which might be really different than what a third- or fourth-generation farmer who is white in Kentucky is experiencing,” McCarroll said.
Kingsolver said that when writing Demon Copperhead, it was important to combat assumptions made by mainstream media outlets about Appalachia.
“I think they miss our diversity. They think we’re all white, and we’re not. It was important for me to reflect that in this novel,” Kingsolver said. “I wanted it to be the great Appalachian novel that kind of puts our whole region in a context. We didn’t choose to have poverty and [high] unemployment. We didn’t ask for that. This came to us.”
Kingsolver added that it has been especially gratifying hearing from people whose perspective on Appalachia changed after reading her novel.
“I have heard from lots and lots and lots of people in other parts of the country who said, ‘This book asked me to evaluate my prejudices, and I thank you for that,’ ” Kingsolver said. “It’s amazing.”
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana